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Post by snoggle on Oct 12, 2016 20:21:32 GMT
Having visited the site I think the bus station looks very nice and has been designed well aesthetically. From a passenger point of view there is room for improvement. It lacks a few of features that many bus stations now posses: Toilets, Live Travel information screens and priority seats also to a lesser extent a Kassel Kerbline for better alignment with the low floor buses. Can someone ask Mr Clueless Architect when I can wait for 2-10 minutes for a X26 or a X68 or a 289 in the evening or a 198 in the evening or Sunday or a 412 in the evening? Why do they allow people to speak beyond their core competencies and then have then spout utter, utter rubbish? He's clearly never experienced a freezing cold Winter day in West Croydon if he thinks a "nice open bus station" is somehow suitable. No TfL bus station, with the possible exception of Hammersmith upper level, is nice to use in inclement weather. I also surprised that Val Shawcross would "diss" West Croydon station. Does she not realise it's run by LOROL or that TfL have spent money on it? Apart from its slightly "up and down" internal layout (not exactly LOROL's fault) I find it pretty decent to use. It's the station I use most in Croydon and I usually get a seat if I need to wait. The platforms are a reasonable size and I've not seen them horrendously overloaded (but I don't travel there in the peaks). The ticket hall can get a bit busy but there's no easy solution to that without closing down adjacent businesses.
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Post by routew15 on Oct 12, 2016 21:30:48 GMT
A toilet will be available when the retail unit opens, a live information screen will be installed in the information office for customers to see, the kerb line was tested and there are no issues. Not aware we have any priority seating that is just common decency. Toilets fair enough. Information screen fair enough. The kerb line is fine i'm sure and it is good that it is tested but what is the point in creating bus stop guidelines if they are not followed by the authority that set them? There are priority seats at some new bus shelters so it would be good for the bus station to follow suit.
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Post by beaver14uk on Oct 12, 2016 21:56:09 GMT
All seems fine to me, not sure what bus stations have priority seats but there would appear to be plenty at this locations.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 13, 2016 14:06:40 GMT
Having visited the site I think the bus station looks very nice and has been designed well aesthetically. From a passenger point of view there is room for improvement. It lacks a few of features that many bus stations now posses: Toilets, Live Travel information screens and priority seats also to a lesser extent a Kassel Kerbline for better alignment with the low floor buses. Can someone ask Mr Clueless Architect when I can wait for 2-10 minutes for a X26 or a X68 or a 289 in the evening or a 198 in the evening or Sunday or a 412 in the evening? Why do they allow people to speak beyond their core competencies and then have then spout utter, utter rubbish? He's clearly never experienced a freezing cold Winter day in West Croydon if he thinks a "nice open bus station" is somehow suitable. No TfL bus station, with the possible exception of Hammersmith upper level, is nice to use in inclement weather. I also surprised that Val Shawcross would "diss" West Croydon station. Does she not realise it's run by LOROL or that TfL have spent money on it? Apart from its slightly "up and down" internal layout (not exactly LOROL's fault) I find it pretty decent to use. It's the station I use most in Croydon and I usually get a seat if I need to wait. The platforms are a reasonable size and I've not seen them horrendously overloaded (but I don't travel there in the peaks). The ticket hall can get a bit busy but there's no easy solution to that without closing down adjacent businesses. I've finally had a chance to watch it - I agree with you that the architect should stick to architecture and not talk about something he really doesn't seem to have a clue on. I think Val slightly minced her words up and I don't think she meant to talk about the station considering it's actually the area of West Croydon that has long lacked the investment that East Croydon & the rest of the town has received whereas the station has actually received some attention though could probably do with more. Does anyone think that Edgware & Harrow Bus Station's will be re-built given they were built in roughly the same time period that West Croydon Bus Station was built and design wise, look very similar?
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Post by snoggle on Oct 13, 2016 16:22:07 GMT
I think Val slightly minced her words up and I don't think she meant to talk about the station considering it's actually the area of West Croydon that has long lacked the investment that East Croydon & the rest of the town has received whereas the station has actually received some attention though could probably do with more. Does anyone think that Edgware & Harrow Bus Station's will be re-built given they were built in roughly the same time period that West Croydon Bus Station was built and design wise, look very similar? To be fair I don't think Croydon has had any substantive investment for a very long time. I know there are some new buildings now going up near East Croydon but the whole place is rather disjointed and a very odd mix of architecture and businesses. I'm not suggesting it should all be glitz but some judicious tidying and renovation might not go amiss in some parts of the town centre. The fact there are a lot of empty buildings shows there is no real attraction for businesses and shops to open there. Obviously the big Whitgift redevelopment is due at some point but I'm not convinced that's the right answer either. I know some people love the Westfield type of shopping "experience" but I can barely last 20 minutes before wanting to get out. They're very disorientating buildings - deliberately so to make you linger inside as it's so hard to see daylight or find an exit readily. Even the old Whitgift centre doesn't really suffer from that issue. I believe Edgware bus station has had some "tweaks" in recent months - there was a series of rolling stop closures I think. I'm sure I've read (TfL business plan?) that Harrow Bus Station is on the TfL list for a more extensive refurb but I don't think it involves demolition of the existing building. The big issue in Harrow is where do you move the stops to if the bus station closes for over a year? The traffic system works with the bus station in its current position as buses can loop through it. It doesn't really work without the loop unless buses all stop away from the tube stn which wouldn't be popular.
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Post by sid on Oct 14, 2016 20:16:12 GMT
I had a look at it today, two years and £4.5million for that? Scandalous!
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Post by snoggle on Oct 14, 2016 22:42:30 GMT
I had a look at it today, two years and £4.5million for that? Scandalous! I'd be interested to see the estimated final cost against the original budget and also the actual completion date against the original planned date. I wonder just how much the "unexpected" concrete depth and ground conditions contributed to the high cost and the excessive time. I've not seen the place "in the bricks and wood" yet so will comment more on "value" when I do see it.
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Post by beaver14uk on Oct 15, 2016 16:16:47 GMT
It's an improvement on the previous bus station and has received positive comment from customers when I have been on site.
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Post by sid on Oct 15, 2016 17:22:14 GMT
It's an improvement on the previous bus station and has received positive comment from customers when I have been on site. In what way is it an improvement? I've not heard much in the way of positive comments about it.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 15, 2016 21:10:27 GMT
It's an improvement on the previous bus station and has received positive comment from customers when I have been on site. Have to admit it's better in the flesh though I'm still 50/50 on whether it's better than the original given you could properly shelter from the elements. Has the live information screen been installed yet?
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Post by beaver14uk on Oct 15, 2016 23:22:27 GMT
Well I have heard positive comments because I have been there. One thing is for certain nothing will be changing based on your comments.
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Post by beaver14uk on Oct 15, 2016 23:23:05 GMT
Next week
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Post by vjaska on Oct 15, 2016 23:59:33 GMT
Thanks
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Post by sid on Oct 16, 2016 5:39:15 GMT
Well I have heard positive comments because I have been there. One thing is for certain nothing will be changing based on your comments. Well that's a pretty daft thing to say isn't it? I don't suppose very much is going to change based on comments on here and as it so happens I've been there too. You still haven't explained how it is an improvement. The general feeling seems to be that the £4.5m would have been far better spent elsewhere and that somebody needs to be held accountable for such a gross waste of public money. There was nothing wrong with the previous structure, it could have been refurbished in a fraction of the time and at a fraction of the cost.
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Post by beaver14uk on Oct 16, 2016 8:26:06 GMT
I will leave you to your views then.
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