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Post by ServerKing on Dec 1, 2016 23:22:25 GMT
My first "Frog Face" was on the 94, with a driver with a heavy right foot - was almost thrown down the stairs as the bus shot forward before catching it's next gear on the I-Shift 'box I have gotten used to it, I find the pillar thing annoying ( I used to drive a BMW 5 series GT so know bad design and blidspots very well - try looking out the back window and parking one ) but haven't been on a 340 StreetDeck but sampled the same engine on a very packed 192 bus instead The seating isn't bad, the extra ones at the very back are nice, but the cleaning staff will find it's a magnet for discarded fried chicken / takeaway boxes and other trash left by schoolkids as it makes its way thru it's route Bahahahaha, oh boy, after all the hoo-haa you made of it a few months ago, you got shot of the 5 Series GT. I guess you finally realised it was a granny wagon. Not quite, but the 1 grand bill for suspension after it failed and tough resale price if I hung onto it for too long, forced my hand... Most granny's would stay with their Honda Jazz, Nissan Note, Corsa or similar More suspension problems than Southern Rail and yes it's not the most pretty car out there Still, I would have hoped the glass option would be made standard to help visibility
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Post by sid on Dec 1, 2016 23:31:49 GMT
I don't much like the Olympus, in fact I think there could be serious safety implications in the event of an accident, but I certainly agree about the hideous pillars on the Gemini 3. As for the suggestion of sitting in the aisle seat, well what if you're travelling with somebody else? One of you is going to get the obscured view. I find it quite concerning that buses would ever be built with such an obvious design fault but then I suppose the attitude is "it's only a bus"! Seeing as all vehicles built in Europe have to be certified by safety experts, I don't understand how you can say that there could be safety implications in the event of an accident - if there was, it would of either been modified or pulled off the road. Again, how is a pillar a design fault when it's actually doing it's job. A design fault is something like the stuff in a Tridents engine bay that causes fires or the staircase failing on the Omnicity DD - a non see through pillar is not the same thing. On the Olympus there is the obvious danger of somebody going through the front upper deck window in the event of an accident. The pillar could have been done a lot differently.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 2, 2016 0:28:35 GMT
Seeing as all vehicles built in Europe have to be certified by safety experts, I don't understand how you can say that there could be safety implications in the event of an accident - if there was, it would of either been modified or pulled off the road. Again, how is a pillar a design fault when it's actually doing it's job. A design fault is something like the stuff in a Tridents engine bay that causes fires or the staircase failing on the Omnicity DD - a non see through pillar is not the same thing. On the Olympus there is the obvious danger of somebody going through the front upper deck window in the event of an accident. The pillar could have been done a lot differently. It can happen on any double decker like it sadly happened to at least one passenger on the WVL that hit the tram in Croydon.
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Post by rmz19 on Dec 2, 2016 2:11:32 GMT
Personally the Olympus has the best front design of any bus that ever existed in London, the front design is something to behold It's a massive shame they had to be withdrawn. They haven't all gone have they? Aren't DOEs being refurbed for another term of work in South London. I was actually referring to the withdrawal of the Scania N230UD variant, my favourite version. Since they both have identical front ends I suppose the DOEs count.
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Post by rmz19 on Dec 2, 2016 2:23:30 GMT
They haven't all gone have they? Aren't DOEs being refurbed for another term of work in South London. Metroline's SELs are still around too, as are Go-Ahead (ex-Metrobus) 870-899 and CT Plus EO1. Isn't it just London United's SOs which were withdrawn, back in late 2009? Metrobus had a much larger fleet of them for the 54 and 75. Metroline still have the SELs for the 297 that were displaced from the 7, which is a shame as they used to grace the streets of Central London on the latter. In general, they have gradually diminished in quantity since 2014.
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Post by astock5000 on Dec 2, 2016 3:01:08 GMT
Metroline's SELs are still around too, as are Go-Ahead (ex-Metrobus) 870-899 and CT Plus EO1. Isn't it just London United's SOs which were withdrawn, back in late 2009? Metrobus had a much larger fleet of them for the 54 and 75. Metroline still have the SELs for the 297 that were displaced from the 7, which is a shame as they used to grace the streets of Central London on the latter. In general, they have gradually diminished in quantity since 2014. While I'm not entirely familiar with former Metrobus vehicles, were those not the 30 buses I mentioned above? LVF shows all of them still in service with Go-Ahead London, mainly operating various school routes. Back when Metroline operated route 205 the SELs turned up on that too, I'm not sure how common that was but I remember travelling on one from Euston to (I think) Liverpool Street.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 2, 2016 4:34:12 GMT
Metrobus had a much larger fleet of them for the 54 and 75. Metroline still have the SELs for the 297 that were displaced from the 7, which is a shame as they used to grace the streets of Central London on the latter. In general, they have gradually diminished in quantity since 2014. While I'm not entirely familiar with former Metrobus vehicles, were those not the 30 buses I mentioned above? LVF shows all of them still in service with Go-Ahead London, mainly operating various school routes. Back when Metroline operated route 205 the SELs turned up on that too, I'm not sure how common that was but I remember travelling on one from Euston to (I think) Liverpool Street. No your right - all of the Olympus that were brought for the 54 & 75 are still with Go-Ahead London. The only Olympus that have left London is the SO's. The 205 had some SEL's allocated for the extension to Mile End IIRC?
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Post by TA1 on Dec 2, 2016 6:05:25 GMT
While I'm not entirely familiar with former Metrobus vehicles, were those not the 30 buses I mentioned above? LVF shows all of them still in service with Go-Ahead London, mainly operating various school routes. Back when Metroline operated route 205 the SELs turned up on that too, I'm not sure how common that was but I remember travelling on one from Euston to (I think) Liverpool Street. No your right - all of the Olympus that were brought for the 54 & 75 are still with Go-Ahead London. The only Olympus that have left London is the SO's. The 205 had some SEL's allocated for the extension to Mile End IIRC? Yes, we had this discussion recently SEL's 803-809 where brought to cover the extension to Whitechapel which came with a PVR increase.
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Post by rmz19 on Dec 2, 2016 11:51:19 GMT
While I'm not entirely familiar with former Metrobus vehicles, were those not the 30 buses I mentioned above? LVF shows all of them still in service with Go-Ahead London, mainly operating various school routes. Back when Metroline operated route 205 the SELs turned up on that too, I'm not sure how common that was but I remember travelling on one from Euston to (I think) Liverpool Street. No your right - all of the Olympus that were brought for the 54 & 75 are still with Go-Ahead London. The only Olympus that have left London is the SO's. The 205 had some SEL's allocated for the extension to Mile End IIRC? Ah yes astock5000 they were indeed, I've just noticed the 30 buses you mentioned in your previous post. vjaska so Go-Ahead still have all of them? Do you happen to know what routes they operate on? Apart from the odd RRS operation I've never seen them since they were removed from the 54 and 75. The only ones I currently see are the SELs on the 297, and on the very rare occasion of one straying on the 7.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 2, 2016 12:21:38 GMT
No your right - all of the Olympus that were brought for the 54 & 75 are still with Go-Ahead London. The only Olympus that have left London is the SO's. The 205 had some SEL's allocated for the extension to Mile End IIRC? Ah yes astock5000 they were indeed, I've just noticed the 30 buses you mentioned in your previous post. vjaska so Go-Ahead still have all of them? Do you happen to know what routes they operate on? Apart from the odd RRS operation I've never seen them since they were removed from the 54 and 75. The only ones I currently see are the SELs on the 297, and on the very rare occasion of one straying on the 7. The 353 at MB is allocated a small batch of Olympus and I think the rest is at RR for school work EDIT: Using LVF, 870-878/883-896 are at RR & 879-882/897-899 are at MB
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Post by sid on Dec 2, 2016 21:15:42 GMT
On the Olympus there is the obvious danger of somebody going through the front upper deck window in the event of an accident. The pillar could have been done a lot differently. It can happen on any double decker like it sadly happened to at least one passenger on the WVL that hit the tram in Croydon. WVLs have oversize front windows as well, an accident like that would be far less likely in a RM for example.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 12:35:51 GMT
The Gemini 3 is a good design and it's been proven in its orders. While some may argue it's not as great looking as the MMC, it's far superior in quality and I'm not sure how a pilar becomes a design fault.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 4, 2016 14:37:42 GMT
The Gemini 3 is a good design and it's been proven in its orders. While some may argue it's not as great looking as the MMC, it's far superior in quality and I'm not sure how a pilar becomes a design fault. I have to admit, although I'm not a fan of the styling, it's an excellent vehicle to ride on and I quite like the sound of the Euro VI B5LH.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 4, 2016 22:00:31 GMT
The Gemini 3 is a good design and it's been proven in its orders. While some may argue it's not as great looking as the MMC, it's far superior in quality and I'm not sure how a pilar becomes a design fault. The Gemini3 looks crap in pictures it doesn't do them justice. But when seen in the flesh it looks a lot better.
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Post by sid on Dec 5, 2016 9:13:29 GMT
The Gemini 3 is a good design and it's been proven in its orders. While some may argue it's not as great looking as the MMC, it's far superior in quality and I'm not sure how a pilar becomes a design fault. Nobody would build a car with pillars like that so why should it be anymore acceptable on a bus? What else would you call it other than an obvious design fault?
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