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Post by SILENCED on Feb 8, 2017 14:49:42 GMT
Lewisham to Catford – from Bromley Road via Rushey Green to Lewisham High Street . I've just had a little look at this thread and noticed Lewisham to Catford Looks like the 136 & 199 (Part allocation), 171/N171, 208, 320 fleet do not meet Euro 6 Emissions Standards. Not sure if this affects the 124, 181, 160, 202, 284 as these routes mainly go around the Catford Gyratory. Note the 202 is already Hybrid 47, 54, 75, 136 (PA), 199 (PA), 185, N136, N199 already meet Euro 6 Emissions Standards From reading the article in the first post does state "buses will be retrofitted with high-tech anti-pollutant systems or be replaced by Greener buses Other than the first 2, the rest are not dated ... but by 2020 ... lot can change in that time
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Post by vjaska on Feb 8, 2017 15:54:53 GMT
Will pre euro6 buses still be able to light run along Brixton Hill, Putney High Street, etc post start date? For example, older Volvos still in use tend to be driven along Brixton Hill to get to/from Volvo Beddington where some drivers/engineers may not be familiar with alternative routes. There's also the odd light running 50 along that section of road to/from the Stockwell terminus. I would imagine out of service buses and rail replacements etc would be ok? But then that defeats the point of cutting pollution as snowman eluded to earlier?
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Post by sid on Feb 8, 2017 16:19:58 GMT
I would imagine out of service buses and rail replacements etc would be ok? But then that defeats the point of cutting pollution as snowman eluded to earlier? Well yes I can see that argument but we have to be realistic here, how else are diesels going to get to and from AF for example? I don't think TfL have the authority to ban out of service buses anyway?
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 8, 2017 16:32:11 GMT
But then that defeats the point of cutting pollution as snowman eluded to earlier? Well yes I can see that argument but we have to be realistic here, how else are diesels going to get to and from AF for example? I don't think TfL have the authority to ban out of service buses anyway? You make them go a longer way creating even more pollution ... surely that makes sense 😐
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Post by sid on Feb 8, 2017 17:01:30 GMT
Well yes I can see that argument but we have to be realistic here, how else are diesels going to get to and from AF for example? I don't think TfL have the authority to ban out of service buses anyway? You make them go a longer way creating even more pollution ... surely that makes sense 😐 There's no other way in and out of AF!
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Post by vjaska on Feb 8, 2017 18:19:41 GMT
But then that defeats the point of cutting pollution as snowman eluded to earlier? Well yes I can see that argument but we have to be realistic here, how else are diesels going to get to and from AF for example? I don't think TfL have the authority to ban out of service buses anyway? Then the 337 (22 will convert as part of the ULEZ) should convert as well TBH.
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Post by gloriouswater on Feb 8, 2017 18:37:00 GMT
Then the 337 (22 will convert as part of the ULEZ) should convert as well TBH. I hear C has a batch of Euro6 hybrids that could be swapped over if necessary... I may see those belching black smoke occasionally but that should be fine for pollution, they're Euro6, right? (sorry, cheap shot lol)
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Feb 8, 2017 21:43:19 GMT
(…) Streatham: Route 255: Currently uses Euro V ENL's - potentially its ENL's could be swapped out Route 255s ENLs would have to be upgraded to Euro 6 as there are no Euro 6 ENLs. Or, given that 255 tender award isn't so long ahead, it could be awarded with new EuroVI buses, regardless if retained/new op. But yeah I see what you were trying to say, that inter-company swap out is not doable in this case
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Post by busman on Mar 14, 2017 7:59:03 GMT
The Green Bus Zones policy appears to be areas that have been prioritised for cleaner buses as part of an existing TfL policy. All London buses will be Euro VI by 2020. I understand that from 2018 all routes will be tendered on the basis of Euro VI vehicles. All pre Euro VI buses on contracts stretching beyond 2020 will be retrofitted between 2017 and 2020. Don't forget that we have the LEBZ which is also driving improvements in reducing bus emissions. In addition,the ULEZ is currently under review and could be enforced earlier (2019) and extended out much further than central London. This would mean that bus upgrades are prioritised within those zones, with remaining routes retrofitted in 2020. So no-one gets left behind, just that the green zones see emissions enforcement measures implemented first. TfL has to start somewhere!
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Post by busoccultation on Mar 16, 2017 15:14:58 GMT
There is Green Bus Zone map on the TFL website. content.tfl.gov.uk/low-emissions-bus-zones-map.pdfFew interesting things to point out: Brixton to Streatham zone goes up to St Leonard’s Church and up to Oval. Stratford zone starts from Mile End Station to just before Ilford. Edmonton to Seven Sisters zone goes up to Finsbury Park station.
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 16, 2017 15:27:26 GMT
There is Green Bus Zone map on the TFL website. content.tfl.gov.uk/low-emissions-bus-zones-map.pdfFew interesting things to point out: Brixton to Streatham zone goes up to St Leonard’s Church and up to Oval. Stratford zone starts from Mile End Station to just before Ilford. Edmonton to Seven Sisters zone goes up to Finsbury Park station. Can that really be correct? ... so for the next one Brixton-Streatham, all BN must be Euro6, 2,137,417 at N must be Euro6 and 250,255 at TH must be Euro6. Can see a lot of those new/er HA/HVs with London North coming south of the river. Also assume the 254 batch of LTs will be swapped for the 137 batch. 255 will be interesting as Arriva do not have suitable vehicles in stock.
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Post by M1104 on Mar 16, 2017 15:27:39 GMT
There is Green Bus Zone map on the TFL website. Few interesting things to point out: Brixton to Streatham zone goes up to St Leonard’s Church and up to Oval. Would 345 upgrade with the Brixton* scheme or wait til the Camberwell-related one? * - crossing the affected area at Brixton Police Station Junction
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Post by fg49 on Mar 16, 2017 15:53:33 GMT
There is Green Bus Zone map on the TFL website. Few interesting things to point out: Brixton to Streatham zone goes up to St Leonard’s Church and up to Oval. Would 345 upgrade with the Brixton* scheme or wait til the Camberwell-related one? * - crossing the affected area at Brixton Police Station Junction Also affected by the Wandsworth to Vauxhall zone as well, interesting as that stretch has the 37, 77, 87, 156, 170, 196, 219, 337, 345, 452, C3 and P5 all operating with Euro 3-5 buses.
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Post by snoggle on Mar 16, 2017 16:28:21 GMT
There is Green Bus Zone map on the TFL website. content.tfl.gov.uk/low-emissions-bus-zones-map.pdfFew interesting things to point out: Brixton to Streatham zone goes up to St Leonard’s Church and up to Oval. Stratford zone starts from Mile End Station to just before Ilford. Edmonton to Seven Sisters zone goes up to Finsbury Park station. That map has some tremendous ramifications depending on the timing that certain zones are introduced. The 279 / 349 are caught by the Edmonton - SS one as is the 123 (albeit only for a short distance). The 29 isn't due to retender until 2019 and that's a major route on the Wood Green scheme. A fair number of North London routes are caught by the Wood Green scheme and while several are out to retender now not all will be retendered in time. TfL are going to have to get that engine / exhaust modification programme going very fast and soon in order to modify non compliant vehicles.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 16, 2017 18:30:32 GMT
There is Green Bus Zone map on the TFL website. content.tfl.gov.uk/low-emissions-bus-zones-map.pdfFew interesting things to point out: Brixton to Streatham zone goes up to St Leonard’s Church and up to Oval. Stratford zone starts from Mile End Station to just before Ilford. Edmonton to Seven Sisters zone goes up to Finsbury Park station. Can that really be correct? ... so for the next one Brixton-Streatham, all BN must be Euro6, 2,137,417 at N must be Euro6 and 250,255 at TH must be Euro6. Can see a lot of those new/er HA/HVs with London North coming south of the river. Also assume the 254 batch of LTs will be swapped for the 137 batch. 255 will be interesting as Arriva do not have suitable vehicles in stock. I had a feeling it would run down to at least St. Leonard's Church although I thought they might at least drop down to the common but I guess the 60 isn't a massive priority for them. The already hybrid routes shouldn't be a massive issue to upgrade as we already know Euro V hybrids running into the ULEZ will be upgraded to Euro VI at some point so I'd expect the same to happen there. I wouldn't assume the LT's would be swapped but rather upgraded as well. The remaining routes will probably have their diesel buses moved elsewhere. The 255 is the one problem I see coming - maybe these will be modified otherwise would they be forced into buying brand new buses?
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