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Post by metrolinewest on Oct 25, 2021 16:22:53 GMT
Wandsworth (JE) is expected to soon lose its status as a TfL garage, as capacity opens up at Westbourne Park under the new partnership with Tower Transit, allowing JE routes to transfer there. If/when this happens, Wandsworth will effectively 'close' as a TfL bus garage, with the site reverting to commercial operations for RATP's London sightseeing tours. The question is this: Will that be the shortest operational period for a garage under TfL/London Buses, from beginning to end of operations? Or is there an example of another garage (or even outstation) that opened for London Buses usage and then effectively 'closed' again, as quickly as RATP Dev London's usage of Wandsworth? What about that London Sovereign base that they temporarily used to store some buses. The one where some TFL dial a ride vehicles were stored? I believe you are talking about NW, it was short under RATP I agree however NW used to be a metroline garage a while back operating routes 206, 232, 245 and 251
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Post by metrolinewest on Sept 11, 2021 15:39:05 GMT
What ex Metroline Travel VW's are allocated to the 483/83? VW1243-1248, 1264, 1265, 1267-1270, 1274 and 1278. Are all the ex Metroline Travel VWs that are allocated to the 83/483. Isn’t 1274 the one VW that is allocated to 204?
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Post by metrolinewest on Aug 17, 2021 23:11:31 GMT
I'd have thought the 186 would have been considered for some of the VWHs. If this does happen, I wonder if it would be a part allocation, or if Metroline would scrape together enough VWHs elsewhere to top-up the X140's batch (there's possibly a few surplus 17reg at HT)? However, the existing 12reg VWs would likely be new enough for another contract - unless Metroline want to use this opportunity to electrify HD? And while a Metroline retain of some sort seems likely (especially if a joint bid with the 245), it's also possible that RATP could gain the 186 will new electrics, with BT being electrified for the 125. Hope RATP do not get it, from what I have heard BT are not good at running routes (as I said from what a I have heard, I do not use any BT routes frequently) there is a question of space as well as I believe H11 is moving to BT/CP so the question is would there be space for the 186, it may be possible to move 79 to RP or keep H11 at SO and move 395 to RP.
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Post by metrolinewest on Aug 15, 2021 10:56:50 GMT
In the absence of any other use for newer vehicles released from other changes - such as the loss of routes 125 & X140 plus the upgrade to electric buses on route 204 - it makes sense for these to replace older buses such as ex-First TEs & VWs, even refurbished ones. I just didn't know such plans had been finalised. I'd have thought the 186 would have been considered for some of the VWHs. IMO 186 should get X140 VWH and it's VW transferred to 83, this'll allow 83 and 245 to share vehicles at PV, not sure if the 245 VW are blinded for 83?
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Post by metrolinewest on Aug 13, 2021 23:32:38 GMT
I don’t understand why RATP don’t move 395 to RP instead of moving H11 out, Greenford Is easily accessible via A40 and also if H17 is able to run from RP surely 395 could. Not sure how far BT/CP is from mount vernon although 395 has a slightly lower PVR believe by 2 or 3 buses maybe that is a factor?
Edit: maybe the roadworks outside the garage and leading onto A40 might make it a bad move for 395 and having googled the distance from CP to mount Vernon is similar to RP to Greenford
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Post by metrolinewest on Aug 8, 2021 16:27:28 GMT
I wonder if the forecourt outside Alperton Station is going to become a stand. I ask because the entrance to forecourt has no entry sign with a sign underneath saying except buses. Maybe not a stand but turning point for buses?
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Post by metrolinewest on Aug 6, 2021 22:20:15 GMT
I could see the X140 stuff going on 186 as they already have blinds and the VW from 186 helping to alleviate ex first VW
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Post by metrolinewest on Aug 5, 2021 22:44:11 GMT
On another note are the 487 DE being withdrawn, the reason why I say this is the last few days I have seen them have paper destination boards on some of them, if so wonder what they'll use at WJ, unless only some are being withdrawn?
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Post by metrolinewest on Aug 1, 2021 20:45:17 GMT
If these movements happen: Wouldn't 292 drivers go to HD, don't think it's too far from EW also they'll be able to work on 186 as well? Secondly, If the X140 drivers enjoy the route, Wouldn't they transfer with the route? Thirdly, ON drivers will have to move with their routes regardless otherwise they will have no work until new garage opens so they will fill void so don't think 204 needs covering. The drivers that move will with move with there routes. But this move will look after those drivers that don’t want to move and don’t want go with the routes. There also possibility that the drivers at those garages don’t want to or can’t move with there routes. These routes movements could help accommodate those drivers who don’t want or can’t move with the routes. Not sure, maybe less overtime to fit everyone in schedule for the remaining routes, not sure what the staffing situation is at HD, with a PVR of 10, X140 Wouldn't require an extortionate amount of drivers, I understand scheduling and other factors contribute to number of drivers required but surely they'll fit in on other routes, also with it being limited stop, drivers who prefer that would most likely request to move with the route especially as SO isn't far from HD, it wouldn't impact much on their journey to work.
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Post by metrolinewest on Aug 1, 2021 20:30:02 GMT
I wonder if the 204 will be staying at EW permanently. Moving the 292 to HD makes sense because then the 292 will take the x140 drivers and the 204 will take the 292s drivers. What will the 204 drivers. If these movements happen: Wouldn't 292 drivers go to HD, don't think it's too far from EW also they'll be able to work on 186 as well? Secondly, If the X140 drivers enjoy the route, Wouldn't they transfer with the route? Thirdly, ON drivers will have to move with their routes regardless otherwise they will have no work until new garage opens so they will fill void so don't think 204 needs covering.
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Post by metrolinewest on Aug 1, 2021 20:24:50 GMT
Not sure if already posted here? 487 to WJ on 28/8 204 to EW and 292 to HD (!) on 4/9 – there is also a reduction on 113 from 28/8. 83/483/N83 to PV on 4/9 (then probably to Athlon Road when it opens). If this is the case, why isn't 292 moving to PB,wouldn't PB be more suited to the route? Another question is the EW transfer permanent for 204? If so that means EW will be electrified for 204, doesn't make sense for it to be placed in EW and 292 moved out for temp basis.
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Post by metrolinewest on Jul 22, 2021 14:47:16 GMT
The KU VHs currently known as VH45209-215 will be recoded to VHL45209-215 Also the X140 will use the VHRs while the BCEs are charging. (All from a reliable RATP employee) Hope they don’t mean the VHRs being a permanent allocation as I would be surprised the X140 would need VHRs in the long term whilst the BCEs are charging. Otherwise I would asking a lot of questions about the BCEs. Such as: Does that mean a BCE can’t last a whole day of service? Or there won’t be enough chargers installed to charge all buses at once? Is the charging time so slow that a bus can’t be fully charged overnight between the last bus and first bus and considering also no BCEs would be needed for any night work (except for the weekend 183 allocation of 3 buses or the odd N5 stray if that remains at SO)? Very good questions indeed! This also questions the suitability of 100% electric buses as I’m sure that is the plan that eventually all diesel and hybrid will be gone
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Post by metrolinewest on Jul 14, 2021 20:19:34 GMT
I love the yellow strip on the WHD, reminds me of first!
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Post by metrolinewest on Jul 3, 2021 21:54:13 GMT
I think the 112 copes fine east of Brent Cross so I don't know why they would be needed for the full 112?
I think the 206/226 probably needs them more.
TfL don't like short workings so would utilise them for the full route even if the extra capacity is only needed between Ealing and Brent Cross. Also, the 112 iirc worked from PV but the 206/226 have never done so. 206 has worked from PV before
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Post by metrolinewest on Jun 16, 2021 18:34:52 GMT
Might sound a bit daft but I would say withdraw route 224, introduce a loop of the St Raph’s estate on 206 ( buses towards kilburn would go to BP Tesco first then go to estate and then continue on line of route, buses towards wembley would loop estate first then Line of route)just like the PR2 used to do. Extend 83 to stonebridge park. The other roads in park royal which are unique to 224 either extend 228 (don’t have idea for terminus of 228)from CMH to serve them roads or alterations to 440. Main issue with this is locals would lose direct service to CMH.
other option is extend 440 from wembley fourth way to the estate.
I just have a feeling that 224 could be withdrawn somehow! Looking forward to see suggestions of how 224 could be replaced.
PS. as mentioned this may seem daft so do share your ideas
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