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Post by mondraker275 on Jun 4, 2017 15:02:11 GMT
Hopefully the police and security services got more praise from everyone else. I second that 100% If the labour pacifist was sitting in the restaurant when it all kicked off, does he think that waving a white hankie and shouting: "I'm against all violence" they would have walked passed him? No doubt the shadow home secratary would be keeping notes on their 'human rights'  The labour spin merchants would probably give her 'Prit Stick' and tell her it's lip salve. In case anyone notices, I'm not praising my own post,I hit the thumbs up icon instead of the edit one 
I am in no way political or anything but watched the debate for amusement purposes. This is not in the same level as what I believe Corbyn was asked about 'pressing the button' in terms of nuclear force. I dont know why people are outraged that he would not do it. Literally, if you attack first, your asking for trouble, and if your attacked, then alot of people would die anyway. Either way WW3. Trying to negotiate peacefully is clearly the only way in terms of the nuclear side. Anyway, I was equally amazed to hear about the response time. Good job in reaction to a difficult to predict situation. The best you can do is to contain it. Even with some intelligence it would be hard to monitor and stop this. Would not be surprised if these people had history, as they all seem to do. On the other hand, the intelligence service are probably kicking themselves over the Manchester incident, something you would think they could have done more about. |
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 4, 2017 15:46:47 GMT
I second that 100% If the labour pacifist was sitting in the restaurant when it all kicked off, does he think that waving a white hankie and shouting: "I'm against all violence" they would have walked passed him? No doubt the shadow home secratary would be keeping notes on their 'human rights' The labour spin merchants would probably give her 'Prit Stick' and tell her it's lip salve. In case anyone notices, I'm not praising my own post,I hit the thumbs up icon instead of the edit one
I am in no way political or anything but watched the debate for amusement purposes. This is not in the same level as what I believe Corbyn was asked about 'pressing the button' in terms of nuclear force. I dont know why people are outraged that he would not do it. Literally, if you attack first, your asking for trouble, and if your attacked, then alot of people would die anyway. Either way WW3. Trying to negotiate peacefully is clearly the only way in terms of the nuclear side. Anyway, I was equally amazed to hear about the response time. Good job in reaction to a difficult to predict situation. The best you can do is to contain it. Even with some intelligence it would be hard to monitor and stop this. Would not be surprised if these people had history, as they all seem to do. On the other hand, the intelligence service are probably kicking themselves over the Manchester incident, something you would think they could have done more about. I think you need to read about why we hold a nuclear deterrent and when it would be used ... it is not about a 1st attack. It is a DETERRENT! |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 4, 2017 16:07:12 GMT
I second that 100% If the labour pacifist was sitting in the restaurant when it all kicked off, does he think that waving a white hankie and shouting: "I'm against all violence" they would have walked passed him? No doubt the shadow home secratary would be keeping notes on their 'human rights' The labour spin merchants would probably give her 'Prit Stick' and tell her it's lip salve. In case anyone notices, I'm not praising my own post,I hit the thumbs up icon instead of the edit one
I am in no way political or anything but watched the debate for amusement purposes. This is not in the same level as what I believe Corbyn was asked about 'pressing the button' in terms of nuclear force. I dont know why people are outraged that he would not do it. Literally, if you attack first, your asking for trouble, and if your attacked, then alot of people would die anyway. Either way WW3. Trying to negotiate peacefully is clearly the only way in terms of the nuclear side. Anyway, I was equally amazed to hear about the response time. Good job in reaction to a difficult to predict situation. The best you can do is to contain it. Even with some intelligence it would be hard to monitor and stop this. Would not be surprised if these people had history, as they all seem to do. On the other hand, the intelligence service are probably kicking themselves over the Manchester incident, something you would think they could have done more about. I'm more worried about Corbyn's views on terrorists and the fact he keeps trying to deny he supports them. He says one thing after every attack but actually supports the opposite......... Anyway, I think the should keep politics out of this especially so soon after the tragic incident  |
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Post by John tuthill on Jun 4, 2017 16:23:18 GMT
I am in no way political or anything but watched the debate for amusement purposes. This is not in the same level as what I believe Corbyn was asked about 'pressing the button' in terms of nuclear force. I dont know why people are outraged that he would not do it. Literally, if you attack first, your asking for trouble, and if your attacked, then alot of people would die anyway. Either way WW3. Trying to negotiate peacefully is clearly the only way in terms of the nuclear side. Anyway, I was equally amazed to hear about the response time. Good job in reaction to a difficult to predict situation. The best you can do is to contain it. Even with some intelligence it would be hard to monitor and stop this. Would not be surprised if these people had history, as they all seem to do. On the other hand, the intelligence service are probably kicking themselves over the Manchester incident, something you would think they could have done more about. I'm more worried about Corbyn's views on terrorists and the fact he keeps trying to deny he supports them. He says one thing after every attack but actually supports the opposite......... Anyway, I think the should keep politics out of this especially so soon after the tragic incident Vjaska, point taken. my rant was because I had a friend in the area. T.G. he is safe. |
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Post by snoggle on Jun 4, 2017 16:48:52 GMT
Anyway, I think the should keep politics out of this especially so soon after the tragic incident THIS. Tempted as I am to make some pointed replies to what's been said I've just had enough of all the mouth frothing from "commentators" [1] and politicians every time something tragic happens. [1] not specifically here, more generally. |
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Post by northken on Jun 4, 2017 17:49:37 GMT
Good job from the police, attackers shot and killed within 8 minutes of incident starting. Hopefully the police and security services got more praise from everyone else. As ever the emergency services were brilliant. What comes across as odd, and I don't mean this to take away from the other services, is that this is the second terrorist incident at which BTP have been first on scene and yet they've received little recognition e.g. May didn't mention them in her speech today but praised City and the Met. |
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Post by snoggle on Jun 4, 2017 20:47:40 GMT
Hopefully the police and security services got more praise from everyone else. As ever the emergency services were brilliant. What comes across as odd, and I don't mean this to take away from the other services, is that this is the second terrorist incident at which BTP have been first on scene and yet they've received little recognition e.g. May didn't mention them in her speech today but praised City and the Met. I suspect many people have little idea that BTP even exists never mind what its role is. It's the invisible police force because of its fairly limited remit. It's being merged into the main forces in Scotland much to many people's dismay. |
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Post by T.R. on Jun 4, 2017 21:48:02 GMT
This just in from TfL:
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Post by busman on Jun 5, 2017 9:30:25 GMT
I am in no way political or anything but watched the debate for amusement purposes. This is not in the same level as what I believe Corbyn was asked about 'pressing the button' in terms of nuclear force. I dont know why people are outraged that he would not do it. Literally, if you attack first, your asking for trouble, and if your attacked, then alot of people would die anyway. Either way WW3. Trying to negotiate peacefully is clearly the only way in terms of the nuclear side. Anyway, I was equally amazed to hear about the response time. Good job in reaction to a difficult to predict situation. The best you can do is to contain it. Even with some intelligence it would be hard to monitor and stop this. Would not be surprised if these people had history, as they all seem to do. On the other hand, the intelligence service are probably kicking themselves over the Manchester incident, something you would think they could have done more about. I think you need to read about why we hold a nuclear deterrent and when it would be used ... it is not about a 1st attack. It is a DETERRENT! The bravery and response from our police and ambulance services was incredible. Interesting that for all the political observations here, the party traditionally seen as tough on security and defence has presided over a reduction in our police force numbers and made a mess of our Justice system, which has impacted the ability to delve into ground level intelligence. That is the message coming from those who work in the front line - not from any political propaganda. The Pacifist is proposing to fund an increase to police numbers and endorsed the actions of the police to shoot dead those terrorists. On the other hand the Pacifist would think more than twice about using a weapon designed to kill approx 3 million Russians per missile. In the same breath, the Pacifist is committed to renewing Trident. I have family currently serving in the police, army, and navy and regardless of political party I wish we had a government that would fund them properly to do their jobs to the best of their ability and are not hasty to rush into unjustified wars (2nd invasion of Iraq, Libya as 2 examples) that cost unnecessary loss of life, resources and ultimately make the world a less safe place. |
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 5, 2017 9:37:42 GMT
I think you need to read about why we hold a nuclear deterrent and when it would be used ... it is not about a 1st attack. P It is a DETERRENT! The bravery and response from our police and ambulance services was incredible. Interesting that for all the political observations here, the party traditionally seen as tough on security and defence has presided over a reduction in our police force numbers and made a mess of our Justice system, which has impacted the ability to delve into ground level intelligence. That is the message coming from those who work in the front line - not from any political propaganda. The Pacifist on the other hand is proposing to fund an increase to police numbers and endorsed the actions of the police to shoot dead those terrorists. On the other hand the Pacifist would think more than twice about using a weapon designed to kill approx 3 million Russians per missile. In the same breath, the Pacifist is committed to renewing Trident. I have family currently serving in the police, army, and navy and regardless of political party I wish we had a government that would fund them properly to do their jobs to the best of their ability and are not hasty to rush into unjustified wars (2nd invasion of Iraq, Libya as 2 examples) that cost unnecessary loss of life, resources and ultimately make the world a less safe place. I seriously hope we have not had a prime minister since we have a nuclear deterrent that would not think more than twice about ever using them .... I certainly hope it would be a lot more than twice .... They are a last resort. If they were ever used this country would already be on its knees and not the place we live in today. |
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Post by sid on Jun 5, 2017 15:32:24 GMT
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Post by northken on Jun 5, 2017 17:01:27 GMT
Hmm, they don't look particularly safe for cyclists on such a busy cycle corridor. One of the reasons pedestrian guard rail (read 'pedestrian pens') has been removed over the last few years is that cyclists were crushed against them. The barriers should be moved over to cover the cyclist lane then they could kill two birds with one stone. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 6, 2017 1:57:58 GMT
Hopefully the police and security services got more praise from everyone else. I second that 100% If the labour pacifist was sitting in the restaurant when it all kicked off, does he think that waving a white hankie and shouting: "I'm against all violence" they would have walked passed him? No doubt the shadow home secratary would be keeping notes on their 'human rights' The labour spin merchants would probably give her 'Prit Stick' and tell her it's lip salve. In case anyone notices, I'm not praising my own post,I hit the thumbs up icon instead of the edit one
bahahahahaha at corrrbin |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 6, 2017 2:01:57 GMT
Hmm, they don't look particularly safe for cyclists on such a busy cycle corridor. One of the reasons pedestrian guard rail (read 'pedestrian pens') has been removed over the last few years is that cyclists were crushed against them. The barriers should be moved over to cover the cyclist lane then they could kill two birds with one stone. Too bad. If it is one thing I have hated over the years that many of these barriers were removed. As it stopped people jay-walking into traffic. It is no one there is more casualties or deaths from pedestrians, mainly in town centres since they have been removed. |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 6, 2017 8:25:30 GMT
Hmm, they don't look particularly safe for cyclists on such a busy cycle corridor. One of the reasons pedestrian guard rail (read 'pedestrian pens') has been removed over the last few years is that cyclists were crushed against them. The barriers should be moved over to cover the cyclist lane then they could kill two birds with one stone. Too bad. If it is one thing I have hated over the years that many of these barriers were removed. As it stopped people jay-walking into traffic. It is no one there is more casualties or deaths from pedestrians, mainly in town centres since they have been removed. The barriers didn't stop everyone from jay walking - many in Brixton would do it when we had barriers up. Also, I'm pretty sure the number of people being hit is down to worsening driver standards. |
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