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Post by WH241 on Apr 10, 2022 12:26:43 GMT
I never said otherwise but passengers still need notice these are the first major changes in Newham in many years and a small notice on a bus stop is not really enough! The issue with putting notices too far in advance is people read them, then ignore and forget about them. When the change eventually happens everyone has forgotten and then there's mass confusion. True, hopefully the local media will report on the changes as they did for the consultations. Also TfL will probably send out emails too! My work received emails about the consultations and the results and they forwarded them to all staff which was helpful.
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Post by WH241 on Apr 15, 2022 9:18:44 GMT
Following on from yesterday a more detailed reply.
LOTS report the following for East London :
Start date mid May but subject to change as we know!
101 as planned cut back to Beckton.
104 increased to every 8 mins and diverted to Beckton. Mixed diesel and hybrid allocation.
241 diverted to Prince Regent Station and extended to Royal Wharf at a later date when road layout issues resolved. There seems to be a mix up with this as they suggest the 241 will travel to Prince regent via Connaught Bridge and North Woolwich Road. This is of course wrong as Prince regent is before this! I do wonder if they might mean the 241 will stand somewhere around Connaught Bridge? If the 241 is indeed cut to Prince Regent it will probably have a temporary PVR cut.
262 as planned cut to Gallions Reach
300 as planned diverted via Freemasons Road
304 New route replacing part of the 104 using a mixture of diesel and hybrids. Now reported to be running from RR garage
330 Extended to Connaught Bridge Charles street turning around on the roundabout
376 increased to every 12 mins
474 diverted via Keir Hardie replacing the 241
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 15, 2022 9:43:20 GMT
Following on from yesterday a more detailed reply. LOTS report the following for East London : Start date mid May but subject to change as we know! 101 as planned cut back to Beckton. 104 increased to every 8 mins and diverted to Beckton. Mixed diesel and hybrid allocation. 241 diverted to Prince Regent Station and extended to Royal Wharf at a later date when road layout issues resolved. There seems to be a mix up with this as they suggest the 241 will travel to Prince regent via Connaught Bridge and North Woolwich Road. This is of course wrong as Prince regent is before this! I do wonder if they might mean the 241 will stand somewhere around Connaught Bridge? If the 241 is indeed cut to Prince Regent it will probably have a temporary PVR cut. 262 as planned cut to Gallions Reach 300 as planned diverted via Freemasons Road 304 New route replacing part of the 104 using a mixture of diesel and hybrids. Now reported to be running from RR garage330 Extended to Connaught Bridge Charles street turning around on the roundabout 376 increased to every 12 mins 474 diverted via Keir Hardie replacing the 241 I guess the current allocation on the 104 isn't enough for the 104 and 304 now the 104 is going up to every 8 mins.
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Post by ADH45258 on Apr 15, 2022 9:46:12 GMT
Following on from yesterday a more detailed reply. LOTS report the following for East London : Start date mid May but subject to change as we know! 101 as planned cut back to Beckton. 104 increased to every 8 mins and diverted to Beckton. Mixed diesel and hybrid allocation. 241 diverted to Prince Regent Station and extended to Royal Wharf at a later date when road layout issues resolved. There seems to be a mix up with this as they suggest the 241 will travel to Prince regent via Connaught Bridge and North Woolwich Road. This is of course wrong as Prince regent is before this! I do wonder if they might mean the 241 will stand somewhere around Connaught Bridge? If the 241 is indeed cut to Prince Regent it will probably have a temporary PVR cut. 262 as planned cut to Gallions Reach 300 as planned diverted via Freemasons Road 304 New route replacing part of the 104 using a mixture of diesel and hybrids. Now reported to be running from RR garage330 Extended to Connaught Bridge Charles street turning around on the roundabout 376 increased to every 12 mins 474 diverted via Keir Hardie replacing the 241 I guess the current allocation on the 104 isn't enough for the 104 and 304 now the 104 is going up to every 8 mins. Presumably the 3x 61reg EHs recently transferring to DS/RR/SI will be used to top up the current 104 allocation. As the 13reg EHs ans 61reg WHVs are enough to cover the new school contracts.
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Post by ADH45258 on Apr 15, 2022 10:07:13 GMT
Following on from yesterday a more detailed reply. LOTS report the following for East London : Start date mid May but subject to change as we know! 241 diverted to Prince Regent Station and extended to Royal Wharf at a later date when road layout issues resolved [/b]. There seems to be a mix up with this as they suggest the 241 will travel to Prince regent via Connaught Bridge and North Woolwich Road. This is of course wrong as Prince regent is before this! I do wonder if they might mean the 241 will stand somewhere around Connaught Bridge? If the 241 is indeed cut to Prince Regent it will probably have a temporary PVR cut. 330 Extended to Connaught Bridge Charles street turning around on the roundabout [/quote] I wonder what the road layout issues are regarding the 241, presumably this is within the Royal Wharf development? Will also be interesting to see exactly what the new blind destination will be for the 330, as it was previously suggested to be using the stand directly outside Pontoon Dock Station, but could now see TFL use 'Connaught Bridge' instead (though is less clear). It's a shame the 330 won't continue one more stop, to provide direct interchange to the 473/474 towards North Woolwich and Beckton. TFL's response to this broken link was the DLR available, but not passengers in the area will want to walk to Pontoon Dock or West Silvertown. I think these changes could have been simplified by instead continuing the 241 to go via Prince Regent and Pontoon Dock as planned, then continuing to Canning Town - providing a single service along North Woolwich Road, connecting to Canning Town, Custom House and Stratford. The 330 could then be left for a potential extension to Canary Wharf, as had been previously suggested by TFL (I think in one of the network development papers). If Royal Wharf needs route to operate within the development, a shorter link to Canning Town might be suitable for further interchange there, and a lower capacity route such as the 309 might be adequate depending on demand.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 15, 2022 10:23:46 GMT
Response to the post by ADH45258 above as the quote system is bugging out. The plan was always for the 330 was always for it to go as far as Connaught bridge, just it would have run not in service from Pontoon Dock Station to the stand by the roundabout. Although seems someone has decided to just have it run that extra stop in service now. I do still not get why the 241 has to be messed around to go into Royal Wharf, the 330 is going to be standing outside on a road with pretty much nothing on it so would have made a lot of sense to be the one sent into the development.
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Post by WH241 on Apr 15, 2022 11:08:52 GMT
Seen the 330 mentioned a fair bit regarding a extension to Canary Wharf. This was never part of these plans and believe it was only ever mentioned on a planning paper and never got passed that.
If the 330 was extended further along Silvertown Way to City Airport (Assume this is whats meant for connect with the 473/474) where would it stand?
With regards to the 241 heading to Canning Town I don't see the difference in this and the 330 as extension to be honest as you wouldn't have any former passengers from the Custom house area traveling the long way around when they will have the 474 and 300 as replacements. I guess the 330 extension probably worked out more cost effective and still removes one bus route from Canning Town Hermit Road / Barking Road.
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Post by WH241 on Apr 15, 2022 11:10:30 GMT
Response to the post by ADH45258 above as the quote system is bugging out. The plan was always for the 330 was always for it to go as far as Connaught bridge, just it would have run not in service from Pontoon Dock Station to the stand by the roundabout. Although seems someone has decided to just have it run that extra stop in service now. I do still not get why the 241 has to be messed around to go into Royal Wharf, the 330 is going to be standing outside on a road with pretty much nothing on it so would have made a lot of sense to be the one sent into the development. I think the 241 into Royal Wharf makes sense as it will link these area to the Elizabeth Line also think there was some reasoning about providing links to local schools in the Custom House area (Sure I read that somewhere).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2022 23:09:06 GMT
Following on from yesterday a more detailed reply. LOTS report the following for East London : Start date mid May but subject to change as we know! 101 as planned cut back to Beckton. 104 increased to every 8 mins and diverted to Beckton. Mixed diesel and hybrid allocation. 241 diverted to Prince Regent Station and extended to Royal Wharf at a later date when road layout issues resolved. There seems to be a mix up with this as they suggest the 241 will travel to Prince regent via Connaught Bridge and North Woolwich Road. This is of course wrong as Prince regent is before this! I do wonder if they might mean the 241 will stand somewhere around Connaught Bridge? If the 241 is indeed cut to Prince Regent it will probably have a temporary PVR cut. 262 as planned cut to Gallions Reach 300 as planned diverted via Freemasons Road 304 New route replacing part of the 104 using a mixture of diesel and hybrids. Now reported to be running from RR garage330 Extended to Connaught Bridge Charles street turning around on the roundabout 376 increased to every 12 mins 474 diverted via Keir Hardie replacing the 241 I don't get the 101 and 262 cutbacks though. I pressume this must be a overbussing issue as I am stuggling to see how this would impact the crossrail service soon to open to the public.
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Post by Busboy105 on Apr 16, 2022 2:35:28 GMT
Following on from yesterday a more detailed reply. LOTS report the following for East London : Start date mid May but subject to change as we know! 101 as planned cut back to Beckton. 104 increased to every 8 mins and diverted to Beckton. Mixed diesel and hybrid allocation. 241 diverted to Prince Regent Station and extended to Royal Wharf at a later date when road layout issues resolved. There seems to be a mix up with this as they suggest the 241 will travel to Prince regent via Connaught Bridge and North Woolwich Road. This is of course wrong as Prince regent is before this! I do wonder if they might mean the 241 will stand somewhere around Connaught Bridge? If the 241 is indeed cut to Prince Regent it will probably have a temporary PVR cut. 262 as planned cut to Gallions Reach 300 as planned diverted via Freemasons Road 304 New route replacing part of the 104 using a mixture of diesel and hybrids. Now reported to be running from RR garage330 Extended to Connaught Bridge Charles street turning around on the roundabout 376 increased to every 12 mins 474 diverted via Keir Hardie replacing the 241 I don't get the 101 and 262 cutbacks though. I pressume this must be a overbussing issue as I am stuggling how this would impact the crossrail service soon to enter service. Beckton Bus Station will be an absolute mare so will the 366. But hey, every journey matters right?
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Post by YX10FFN on Apr 16, 2022 5:45:37 GMT
I don't get the 101 and 262 cutbacks though. I pressume this must be a overbussing issue as I am stuggling how this would impact the crossrail service soon to enter service. They essentially used the topic of crossrail related changes to bring up overbussing east of Beckton. Their initial proposal left the 366 to work Beckton-East Beckton alone, however fortunately they conceded and maintained the 262 but only as far as Gallions Reach (101 stand)
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Post by Busboy105 on Apr 16, 2022 6:17:31 GMT
I don't get the 101 and 262 cutbacks though. I pressume this must be a overbussing issue as I am stuggling how this would impact the crossrail service soon to enter service. They essentially used the topic of crossrail related changes to bring up overbussing east of Beckton. Their initial proposal left the 366 to work Beckton-East Beckton alone, however fortunately they conceded and maintained the 262 but only as far as Gallions Reach (101 stand) Doesn't the 262 serve Gallions Reach before East Beckton?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2022 8:26:09 GMT
They essentially used the topic of crossrail related changes to bring up overbussing east of Beckton. Their initial proposal left the 366 to work Beckton-East Beckton alone, however fortunately they conceded and maintained the 262 but only as far as Gallions Reach (101 stand) Doesn't the 262 serve Gallions Reach before East Beckton? Yes it does
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Post by WH241 on Apr 16, 2022 8:55:12 GMT
I don't get the 101 and 262 cutbacks though. I pressume this must be a overbussing issue as I am stuggling how this would impact the crossrail service soon to enter service. They essentially used the topic of crossrail related changes to bring up overbussing east of Beckton. Their initial proposal left the 366 to work Beckton-East Beckton alone, however fortunately they conceded and maintained the 262 but only as far as Gallions Reach (101 stand) Crossrail did play a part but the 101,262 and 366 changes were proposed well after the initial Crossail bus changes that should have taken place in 2018. The 241 was subject a further change after the 2018 proposal.
Thankfully they backtracked on the 262 changes as the 366 would never have coped alone especially as its a single decker route.
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Post by enviroPB on Apr 16, 2022 10:37:03 GMT
Following on from yesterday a more detailed reply. LOTS report the following for East London : Start date mid May but subject to change as we know! 101 as planned cut back to Beckton. 104 increased to every 8 mins and diverted to Beckton. Mixed diesel and hybrid allocation. 241 diverted to Prince Regent Station and extended to Royal Wharf at a later date when road layout issues resolved. There seems to be a mix up with this as they suggest the 241 will travel to Prince regent via Connaught Bridge and North Woolwich Road. This is of course wrong as Prince regent is before this! I do wonder if they might mean the 241 will stand somewhere around Connaught Bridge? If the 241 is indeed cut to Prince Regent it will probably have a temporary PVR cut. 262 as planned cut to Gallions Reach 300 as planned diverted via Freemasons Road 304 New route replacing part of the 104 using a mixture of diesel and hybrids. Now reported to be running from RR garage330 Extended to Connaught Bridge Charles street turning around on the roundabout 376 increased to every 12 mins 474 diverted via Keir Hardie replacing the 241 The 262 wasn't initially planned to be cut to Gallions Reach was it? Still, what some would call a compromise I'd still insist on a correction to lack of stand space. Completely forgot the 376's frequency will be upped to 5bph. Gonna be interesting as well as the 101 and 104 making Beckton bus station their new home. Is an asset really an asset if it's not being run over capacity?! The 474 swap still irritates me; why isn't the N551 sent over Silvertown Way to then pick up line of route at Prince Regent? West Silverton & Pontoon Dock have only increased in resident occupancy since the consultation started, surely they should have night coverage.
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