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Post by southlondonbus on May 23, 2022 19:39:38 GMT
I wouldn't judge anything yet. It's the same with any change like when a new route is introduced or a bus extension happens. Big loadings won't happen straight away but overtime, loadings will increase especially when the Elizabeth line opens. Loadings are decreasing on sections! Passengers have had to find alternative routes. Probably the legacy of two shorter routes (241 and 304) which don't reach Canning Town and the 330 which doesn't go as far Beckton/North Woolwich. From what I can see all that's left is alot of feeder routes into Custom House (Crossrail) but no direct links to the main places of Canning Town, Stratford and Beckton. Rather similar to the 494 replacing the 54 and effectively breaking a link from Shirley Road to Elmers End Tesco and East Croydon Station back in 2000. Like I said I'm not local but from what I can see WH241 these could be the reasons. |
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Post by enviroPB on May 23, 2022 19:58:27 GMT
Has anyone observed the east London changes since Saturday? Now I know the Elizabeth Line has not opened yest but have noticed some disappointing loading on the revised 474 section and the 304 Between Custom House and Newham Hospital. The 330 over the weekend was carrying pretty decent loading from Canning Town towards Pontoon Dock.
The 241 is also really lightly used from Prince Regent Station but this was similar to when it used to duplicate the 325 and 541 back in 2014 -2015. Its a little disappointing that the 241,300 and 325 do on occasions run in pairs but this can't always be helped with different route frequency
As I say its very early days but do wonder how things will develop once commuters are using the services.
-Custom House has double the daytime routes it had before the changes, a tad overkill if passengers don't materialise -People are responding positively to the frequency increases on the 104 -Some are tweaking onto the fact the 304 is a less traffic laden alternative to the 147 on Prince Regent Lane -The 474 duplicating the 473 from Prince Regent has sadly but quite quickly made the 473 redundant to North Woolwich -The new round the corner links on the 300 on New Barn Street & Freemasons Road are proving poplar, however this is as a loss of the Canning Town link from the 241 -Pretty much every passenger is asking the driver where the bus is going across the board, even on unchanged sections of a route such is the confusion -As yet; no updated or new timetables for the 101, 300, 304, 474. I've seen new 241 timetables in Stratford on Friday night and at Beckton for the 104 on Saturday night. No other up-to-date timetables anywhere else for the 104 and 241. |
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Post by enviroPB on May 23, 2022 20:10:14 GMT
Noticed the 241 is sharing the 473 stop at Prince Regent. I would have thought the 325 stop would have been better as both buses head in the same direction via Freemasons Road but having said that perhaps they thought both Stratford routes should share a common stop. Oh no, that makes far too much sense!  I've noticed at Beckton bus station that stop C has been revised to have all the Stratford routes stop there: the 104 and even the 678 are now stopping with the 262. It's apparent the same activity has been undertaken at Prince Regent. |
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Post by vjaska on May 23, 2022 20:19:46 GMT
Loadings are decreasing on sections! Passengers have had to find alternative routes. Probably the legacy of two shorter routes (241 and 304) which don't reach Canning Town and the 330 which doesn't go as far Beckton/North Woolwich. From what I can see all that's left is alot of feeder routes into Custom House (Crossrail) but no direct links to the main places of Canning Town, Stratford and Beckton. Rather similar to the 494 replacing the 54 and effectively breaking a link from Shirley Road to Elmers End Tesco and East Croydon Station back in 2000. Like I said I'm not local but from what I can see WH241 these could be the reasons. I thought Tramlink replaced the 54 with the 494 introduced to provide the Primrose Lane area with a bus route before the 367 eventually replacing it (as well as being re-routed via Addiscombe) |
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Post by southlondonbus on May 23, 2022 20:33:22 GMT
Probably the legacy of two shorter routes (241 and 304) which don't reach Canning Town and the 330 which doesn't go as far Beckton/North Woolwich. From what I can see all that's left is alot of feeder routes into Custom House (Crossrail) but no direct links to the main places of Canning Town, Stratford and Beckton. Rather similar to the 494 replacing the 54 and effectively breaking a link from Shirley Road to Elmers End Tesco and East Croydon Station back in 2000. Like I said I'm not local but from what I can see WH241 these could be the reasons. I thought Tramlink replaced the 54 with the 494 introduced to provide the Primrose Lane area with a bus route before the 367 eventually replacing it (as well as being re-routed via Addiscombe) Tramlink didn't really serve Shirley Road and Shirley Park and the 494 was a bit of a poor substitute especially when the better trains go from East Croydon rather then West Croydon. |
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Post by WH241 on May 23, 2022 21:07:06 GMT
Has anyone observed the east London changes since Saturday? Now I know the Elizabeth Line has not opened yest but have noticed some disappointing loading on the revised 474 section and the 304 Between Custom House and Newham Hospital. The 330 over the weekend was carrying pretty decent loading from Canning Town towards Pontoon Dock.
The 241 is also really lightly used from Prince Regent Station but this was similar to when it used to duplicate the 325 and 541 back in 2014 -2015. Its a little disappointing that the 241,300 and 325 do on occasions run in pairs but this can't always be helped with different route frequency
As I say its very early days but do wonder how things will develop once commuters are using the services.
-Custom House has double the daytime routes it had before the changes, a tad overkill if passengers don't materialise -People are responding positively to the frequency increases on the 104 -Some are tweaking onto the fact the 304 is a less traffic laden alternative to the 147 on Prince Regent Lane -The 474 duplicating the 473 from Prince Regent has sadly but quite quickly made the 473 redundant to North Woolwich -The new round the corner links on the 300 on New Barn Street & Freemasons Road are proving poplar, however this is as a loss of the Canning Town link from the 241 -Pretty much every passenger is asking the driver where the bus is going across the board, even on unchanged sections of a route such is the confusion -As yet; no updated or new timetables for the 101, 300, 304, 474. I've seen new 241 timetables in Stratford on Friday night and at Beckton for the 104 on Saturday night. No other up-to-date timetables anywhere else for the 104 and 241. I agree about the 473 it could be at risk of future cuts as the journeys can be covered by the 474 and 241 to Stratford via Balaam Street the only section not covered by a direct service is Prince Regent Lane from the bus station but only a short walk across the road for onward journeys on the 147 or 304. I also agree about the 304 the short cut via the hospital is a game changer and super quick. |
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Post by Alexis on May 25, 2022 19:58:44 GMT
Has anyone observed the east London changes since Saturday? Now I know the Elizabeth Line has not opened yest but have noticed some disappointing loading on the revised 474 section and the 304 Between Custom House and Newham Hospital. The 330 over the weekend was carrying pretty decent loading from Canning Town towards Pontoon Dock.
The 241 is also really lightly used from Prince Regent Station but this was similar to when it used to duplicate the 325 and 541 back in 2014 -2015. Its a little disappointing that the 241,300 and 325 do on occasions run in pairs but this can't always be helped with different route frequency
As I say its very early days but do wonder how things will develop once commuters are using the services.
-The 474 duplicating the 473 from Prince Regent has sadly but quite quickly made the 473 redundant to North Woolwich That's gotten me thinking that perhaps diverting the 473 to Canning Town from City Airport via the old 474 routing might have been a better option instead of extending the 330, it would give passengers in Silvertown the option to easily change to the 474 at City Airport or any of the other routes at Prince Regent |
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Post by WH241 on May 25, 2022 21:08:27 GMT
-The 474 duplicating the 473 from Prince Regent has sadly but quite quickly made the 473 redundant to North Woolwich That's gotten me thinking that perhaps diverting the 473 to Canning Town from City Airport via the old 474 routing might have been a better option instead of extending the 330, it would give passengers in Silvertown the option to easily change to the 474 at City Airport or any of the other routes at Prince Regent I think the 473 will likely disappear within a few years now it’s heavily duplicated by other routes and has a easy interchange at Prince Regent. |
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Post by WH241 on May 26, 2022 16:49:42 GMT
This evening I noticed the bus stop closest to Custom House station stairs was busy and lots of passengers were boarding a 300 towards Beckton. Positive signs some of the routes are being well used.
The 474 is still very quiet on the Keir Hardie section especially as the former local Silvertown passengers now use the 330. I suspect a lot of former 241 passengers have started using the 300 similar to when the 541 ran via Freemasons Road to Canning Town.
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Post by WH241 on May 27, 2022 16:45:41 GMT
I have noticed a small issue with the new Custom House bus stand! There is nearly always two bus on the stand at anyone time and this means passengers can't actually see the bus stop for the 304. If you are waiting at the 147 stop you can't really tell if the 304 is going to depart first therefore passengers who could use the service or a 147 end up missing departing buses. I am sure passengers will eventually get wise and stand back from both bus stops so they can see if the 304 is going to depart before a 147 arrives.
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Post by rj131 on May 28, 2022 10:57:48 GMT
That's gotten me thinking that perhaps diverting the 473 to Canning Town from City Airport via the old 474 routing might have been a better option instead of extending the 330, it would give passengers in Silvertown the option to easily change to the 474 at City Airport or any of the other routes at Prince Regent I think the 473 will likely disappear within a few years now it’s heavily duplicated by other routes and has a easy interchange at Prince Regent. I think the 473 has essentially become a relief route for those two sections that you eluded to. However there’s no denying how absolutely rammed it (and the 262) gets coming out of Stratford especially in the evenings, so if they took it out they’d have to substantially beef up another route to make sure the capacity remains. Even TfL can’t deny the sheer volume and reliance on buses in the Stratford area. But the tricky bit for the 473 is the little stump at the end of the route it runs alone for after St. John’s church. It’d be hard to reroute another route down there, so I think that section alone just about makes the route safe in its own right  |
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Post by WH241 on May 28, 2022 11:07:56 GMT
I think the 473 will likely disappear within a few years now it’s heavily duplicated by other routes and has a easy interchange at Prince Regent. I think the 473 has essentially become a relief route for those two sections that you eluded to. However there’s no denying how absolutely rammed it (and the 262) gets coming out of Stratford especially in the evenings, so if they took it out they’d have to substantially beef up another route to make sure the capacity remains. Even TfL can’t deny the sheer volume and reliance on buses in the Stratford area. But the tricky bit for the 473 is the little stump at the end of the route it runs alone for after St. John’s church. It’d be hard to reroute another route down there, so I think that section alone just about makes the route safe in its own right  Extend the 330 to a sensible place like North woolwich? The 473 does indeed support the 262 but is not as busy from the A13 towards Woolwich especially now its duplicated from Prince Regent Station. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 28, 2022 11:08:57 GMT
I think the 473 will likely disappear within a few years now it’s heavily duplicated by other routes and has a easy interchange at Prince Regent. I think the 473 has essentially become a relief route for those two sections that you eluded to. However there’s no denying how absolutely rammed it (and the 262) gets coming out of Stratford especially in the evenings, so if they took it out they’d have to substantially beef up another route to make sure the capacity remains. Even TfL can’t deny the sheer volume and reliance on buses in the Stratford area. But the tricky bit for the 473 is the little stump at the end of the route it runs alone for after St. John’s church. It’d be hard to reroute another route down there, so I think that section alone just about makes the route safe in its own right In all honestly the 474 stops there heading towards Canning Town while it's just a short walk away from St John's Church towards Manor Park, someone strong could probably throw a rock from the St John's Church stop and it'd end up at Roebourne Way. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 14:31:31 GMT
Seeing all this 473 withdrawal talk, I think the only reason why it may survive is coz of the congestion to Stratford. If it wasn't for that I wouldn't have any high hopes for it to survive especially after the 474 rerouting. It's also kind of ironic that the route numbers are 473 and 474 which duplicate each other between North Woolwich and Prince Regent. I don't think TFL are gonna do anything about that.
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Post by WH241 on May 28, 2022 16:22:34 GMT
Seeing all this 473 withdrawl talk, I think the only reason why it may survive is coz of the congestion to Stratford. If it wasn't for that I wouldn't have any high hopes for it to survive especially after the 474 rerouting. It's also kind of ironic that the route numbers are 473 and 474 which duplicate each other between North Woolwich and Prince Regent. I don't think TFL are gonna do anything about that. All this withdrawal talk as you put it came from me making a simple comment about the route possible disappearing in a few years! |
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