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Post by busman on May 9, 2022 9:19:48 GMT
IBus displays at bus stops locally are now scrolling a message promoting the bus changes from Saturday. I just received an email notifying me of changes to my local bus route. I will be doing a couple of trips between Greenwich and Plumstead on Saturday so will observe and ride the 177. I think it will be carnage in terms of loadings. People from Plumstead Corner onwards will wait for the 177 rather than take the first bus and change at Woolwich. I also wonder how many people will be on autopilot and jump on a 180 without looking at the blind. Hope to hear frequent ibus announcements on board to the point of extreme annoyance, but it will be necessary to ensure Greenwich bound passengers don’t end up on Hope and Anchor Lane.
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Post by lazy_eye_metaphor on May 9, 2022 14:04:17 GMT
Bus stop poles on Church Manorway starting to appear. Also spotted 15120 on a driver training trip.
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Post by southeastlondonbus on May 10, 2022 13:23:49 GMT
For those who may be interested, had to do a road test today from work, all stops up Picardy Road and along Woolwich Road to New Road have now had 469 tiles affixed ready for Saturday.
Bus stops now a in place along Church Manor Way with 180 tiles added to stops along West Street to Erith. In Fraiser Road it appears the last stop for the 180 will be outside Wicks with buses turning presumably at the roundabout and standing on the opposite side of the road.
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Post by beaver14uk on May 10, 2022 19:00:02 GMT
The last and first stop will be the bus stand. For those who may be interested, had to do a road test today from work, all stopPicardy Road and along Woolwich Road to New Road have now had 469 tiles affixed ready for Saturday. Bus stops now a in place along Church Manor Way with 180 tiles added to stops along West Street to Erith. In Fraiser Road it appears the last stop for the 180 will be outside Wicks with buses turning presumably at the roundabout and standing on the opposite side of the road.
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Post by twobellstogo on May 11, 2022 5:55:31 GMT
The last and first stop will be the bus stand. For those who may be interested, had to do a road test today from work, all stopPicardy Road and along Woolwich Road to New Road have now had 469 tiles affixed ready for Saturday. Bus stops now a in place along Church Manor Way with 180 tiles added to stops along West Street to Erith. In Fraiser Road it appears the last stop for the 180 will be outside Wicks with buses turning presumably at the roundabout and standing on the opposite side of the road. Good. It’s a blooming long walk from Wickes to the Quarry 😂
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Post by stuckonthe486 on May 11, 2022 12:48:23 GMT
Nothing has been agreed for Greenwich Town Centre, that is nothing to do with the 129 change. That's exactly what I thought, is the sole reason for the 129/180 change the fact that the 129 will no longer be able to terminate in Greenwich when the road layout changes or is there some other reason? I'm not sure what the 286 will do but that's another subject. Greenwich town centre is still well up in the air, with the market owners promoting an alternative scheme which would widen the pavements (rather than pedestrianising College Approach) and enable the bus stops to stay.
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Post by danorak on May 11, 2022 17:42:54 GMT
For those who may be interested, had to do a road test today from work, all stops up Picardy Road and along Woolwich Road to New Road have now had 469 tiles affixed ready for Saturday. Bus stops now a in place along Church Manor Way with 180 tiles added to stops along West Street to Erith. In Fraiser Road it appears the last stop for the 180 will be outside Wicks with buses turning presumably at the roundabout and standing on the opposite side of the road. Not a lot of the original 469 left now: Plumstead High Street to QEH and Belvedere to Erith.
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Post by snowman on May 13, 2022 7:33:35 GMT
The 108 will still be the fastest route (by far) between NOG and lewisham. The 108 takes a great route post Angerstein roundabout which implies it doesn’t hit much traffic. While the 129 suffers from that moronic cycle lane on Trafalgar way We’ll have to see once the timetables are public, but I think the 108 will only be about 5 minutes faster to Lewisham Station. To your point about reliability, the 108 is not as prone to crazy delays as the 129 due to the daft cycle lane and LTNs along the route. The 108 and 129 will serve different corridors between NOG and Lewisham, so it will be interesting to see if the extra deckers on O2 event nights continue on the 108. With the addition of the 335, the 108 now has some assistance up to Blackheath and as mentioned the 129 will provide extra capacity through to Lewisham. TfL have added more detail to the bus changes page (since it was originally posted) which gives more info on frequency (a lot of info, is as previously posted) Routes Affected: 129, 180, 244, 469, 472 and B11 From Saturday 14 May we will be making some changes to bus routes in the South East London area. Route 129 will be extended from its current terminus in Greenwich Town Centre to Lewisham Shopping Centre via Greenwich High Road, Greenwich South Street and Lewisham Road replacing route 180 over this section of route. Route 129 will run every 12 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and every 20 minutes during the evenings and all day on Sundays. Route 180 will be changed to run between North Greenwich Bus Station and Erith Quarry. Buses will be rerouted at Charlton Station to run to North Greenwich via Anchor & Hope Lane, Bugsby's Way, Millennium Leisure Park, Southern Way and West Parkside. Route 180 will also be extended from Mulberry Way in the Belvedere Industrial Area via Church Manorway, Lower Road and West Street to Erith Town Centre and then via Bexley Road and Fraser Road to terminate at the entrance to the Erith Quarry housing development. Route 180 will no longer run between Charlton Station and Lewisham Town Centre. For Greenwich Town Centre change at Stone Lake Retail Park to route 177. For Lewisham Town Centre change at Millennium Leisure Park to route 129. Route 180 will also no longer serve Fishers Way or Crabtree Manorway in Belvedere. Route 180 will run every 10 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and every 15 minutes during the evenings and all day on Sundays. Route 244 will serve the new bus stop on Gayton Road on journeys towards Queen Elizabeth Hospital from first bus on Saturday 14 May. Route 469 will be rerouted between Abbey Wood Station and Belvedere Station via New Road, Woolwich Road and Picardy Road. Abbey Road and Gilbert Road will no longer served with route 229 continuing to provide a service along these roads. Route 469 will run every 15 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and every 20 minutes during the evenings and all day on Sundays. 24-hour route 472 will be changed to run between North Greenwich Bus Station and Abbey Wood Station. Route 472 will be extended from Cannon Retail Park in Thamesmead to Abbey Wood Station via Central Way, Crossway, Carlyle Road and Harrow Manorway with buses starting and finishing on Gayton Road. Bentham Road in Thamesmead will no longer be served however routes 244 and 301 will continue to provide a service along this road. Route 472 will also be rerouted between Plumstead Bus Garage and Central Way via Western Way and Belmarsh Prison. Nathan Way and Eastern Way will no longer be served by route 472 but route 301 will continue to serve these roads providing a link to both Thamesmead and Woolwich. Route 472 will run every 8 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Fridays, every 10 minutes during the evenings on Monday to Fridays and all day on Saturdays, every 12 minutes throughout the day on Sundays and every 30 minutes between 0100 and 0400 on all nights of the week. Route B11 will be revised to run between Bexleyheath Bus Garage and South Thamesmead, Yarnton Way / Harrow Manorway only. Route 401 will continue to provide a service from Yarnton Way to Thamesmead. Route B11 will run every 20 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and every 30 minutes during the evenings and all day on Sundays. tfl.gov.uk/modes/buses/bus-changes
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Post by busman on May 13, 2022 12:49:19 GMT
I’ll be riding one of the last 180’s from Greenwich tonight. Ideally I’ll be on the last one, but depends how early I want to get to bed! I wonder what PD will put out for the final few buses. Would love to see a rogue Scania 😄
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Post by route53 on May 13, 2022 17:18:13 GMT
And so begins one of the biggest bus mistakes, RIP 180 Lewisham to Belvedere
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Post by greenboy on May 14, 2022 7:40:59 GMT
IBus displays at bus stops locally are now scrolling a message promoting the bus changes from Saturday. I just received an email notifying me of changes to my local bus route. I will be doing a couple of trips between Greenwich and Plumstead on Saturday so will observe and ride the 177. I think it will be carnage in terms of loadings. People from Plumstead Corner onwards will wait for the 177 rather than take the first bus and change at Woolwich. I also wonder how many people will be on autopilot and jump on a 180 without looking at the blind. Hope to hear frequent ibus announcements on board to the point of extreme annoyance, but it will be necessary to ensure Greenwich bound passengers don’t end up on Hope and Anchor Lane. I agree it's likely to be mayhem on the 177 particularly at weekends when the weather is nice and everyone is going out. A rather radical solution might be for the 53 and 177 to swap routes between Woolwich and Deptford Bridge? Initially I thought it was a crazy idea but the more I thought about it........ it would mean a more frequent service between Woolwich and Greenwich and the reduction via Charlton Village and Blackheath shouldn't be a problem with the 54 and 422 also covering most of it. Quite how this would be presented to the public to avoid mass confusion is another matter.
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Post by vjaska on May 14, 2022 8:15:16 GMT
I just received an email notifying me of changes to my local bus route. I will be doing a couple of trips between Greenwich and Plumstead on Saturday so will observe and ride the 177. I think it will be carnage in terms of loadings. People from Plumstead Corner onwards will wait for the 177 rather than take the first bus and change at Woolwich. I also wonder how many people will be on autopilot and jump on a 180 without looking at the blind. Hope to hear frequent ibus announcements on board to the point of extreme annoyance, but it will be necessary to ensure Greenwich bound passengers don’t end up on Hope and Anchor Lane. I agree it's likely to be mayhem on the 177 particularly at weekends when the weather is nice and everyone is going out. A rather radical solution might be for the 53 and 177 to swap routes between Woolwich and Deptford Bridge? Initially I thought it was a crazy idea but the more I thought about it........ it would mean a more frequent service between Woolwich and Greenwich and the reduction via Charlton Village and Blackheath shouldn't be a problem with the 54 and 422 also covering most of it. Quite how this would be presented to the public to avoid mass confusion is another matter. And in tandem, the 53 has to suffer the cycle lane along Woolwich Road so not sure how that’s a solution at all
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Post by route53 on May 14, 2022 8:21:09 GMT
I just received an email notifying me of changes to my local bus route. I will be doing a couple of trips between Greenwich and Plumstead on Saturday so will observe and ride the 177. I think it will be carnage in terms of loadings. People from Plumstead Corner onwards will wait for the 177 rather than take the first bus and change at Woolwich. I also wonder how many people will be on autopilot and jump on a 180 without looking at the blind. Hope to hear frequent ibus announcements on board to the point of extreme annoyance, but it will be necessary to ensure Greenwich bound passengers don’t end up on Hope and Anchor Lane. I agree it's likely to be mayhem on the 177 particularly at weekends when the weather is nice and everyone is going out. A rather radical solution might be for the 53 and 177 to swap routes between Woolwich and Deptford Bridge? Initially I thought it was a crazy idea but the more I thought about it........ it would mean a more frequent service between Woolwich and Greenwich and the reduction via Charlton Village and Blackheath shouldn't be a problem with the 54 and 422 also covering most of it. Quite how this would be presented to the public to avoid mass confusion is another matter. The 53 is fine as it is, all you’d be doing is solving one problem and creating another, Blackheath would lose its bus link to Zone 1, what needs to happen is for a new route number to cover NG to Erith and “create a new route between” Woolwich and Lewisham and that’s called the 180, another scenario is to up the 177 frequency but I doubt that will happen sadly the most it’ll be upped to is 8bph I would imagine.
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Post by greenboy on May 14, 2022 8:30:22 GMT
I agree it's likely to be mayhem on the 177 particularly at weekends when the weather is nice and everyone is going out. A rather radical solution might be for the 53 and 177 to swap routes between Woolwich and Deptford Bridge? Initially I thought it was a crazy idea but the more I thought about it........ it would mean a more frequent service between Woolwich and Greenwich and the reduction via Charlton Village and Blackheath shouldn't be a problem with the 54 and 422 also covering most of it. Quite how this would be presented to the public to avoid mass confusion is another matter. The 53 is fine as it is, all you’d be doing is solving one problem and creating another, Blackheath would lose its bus link to Zone 1, what needs to happen is for a new route number to cover NG to Erith and “create a new route between” Woolwich and Lewisham and that’s called the 180, another scenario is to up the 177 frequency but I doubt that will happen sadly the most it’ll be upped to is 8bph I would imagine. Yes the 53 is fine as it is and yes Blackheath would lose the link to zone 1 although Greenwich would gain another link to zone 1. It was actually a PD driver that suggested this and in the current climate it's difficult to see any other way of cost effectively increasing the level of service between Woolwich and Greenwich although obviously there are swings and roundabouts. As you say a frequency increase on the 177 is unlikely.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 14, 2022 9:02:17 GMT
The 53 is fine as it is, all you’d be doing is solving one problem and creating another, Blackheath would lose its bus link to Zone 1, what needs to happen is for a new route number to cover NG to Erith and “create a new route between” Woolwich and Lewisham and that’s called the 180, another scenario is to up the 177 frequency but I doubt that will happen sadly the most it’ll be upped to is 8bph I would imagine. Yes the 53 is fine as it is and yes Blackheath would lose the link to zone 1 although Greenwich would gain another link to zone 1. It was actually a PD driver that suggested this and in the current climate it's difficult to see any other way of cost effectively increasing the level of service between Woolwich and Greenwich although obviously there are swings and roundabouts. As you say a frequency increase on the 177 is unlikely. Sadly you can't really call the 53 a zone 1 link anymore.
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