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Post by bus12451 on May 14, 2022 18:04:10 GMT
Gave the new 180 a try on my way home this afternoon, from North Greenwich to Erith (not the final little bit to the Quarry). Was more than reasonably popular on the new eastern section. I think it will do well. Will try part of the new 469 later next week, and at some stage see how the 177 is doing without the 180 to help between Woolwich and Greenwich. Now it falls into place as to why you support such an unpopular bus change you live in Erith 🤪 I think it's really just the withdrawal of the Charlton to Lewisham section that is unpopular. I find the Erith extension to be quite useful.
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Post by route53 on May 14, 2022 18:08:18 GMT
Now it falls into place as to why you support such an unpopular bus change you live in Erith 🤪 I think it's really just the withdrawal of the Charlton to Lewisham section that is unpopular. I find the Erith extension to be quite useful. The Woolwich-Greenwich section being reduced without a replacement is more unpopular than a extension to Erith I’ve noticed.
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Post by twobellstogo on May 14, 2022 18:42:44 GMT
Gave the new 180 a try on my way home this afternoon, from North Greenwich to Erith (not the final little bit to the Quarry). Was more than reasonably popular on the new eastern section. I think it will do well. Will try part of the new 469 later next week, and at some stage see how the 177 is doing without the 180 to help between Woolwich and Greenwich. Now it falls into place as to why you support such an unpopular bus change you live in Erith 🤪 Also I used the 177 today, and it was busier than usual, maybe this will settle down but there were a fair few disgruntled passengers at the extra passengers, especially when changing at Greenwich for Lewisham How are you to know that I didn’t then get another bus from there? Also (sorry) I am most unimpressed with the sarcastic emoji.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 14, 2022 18:48:56 GMT
I think it's really just the withdrawal of the Charlton to Lewisham section that is unpopular. I find the Erith extension to be quite useful. The Woolwich-Greenwich section being reduced without a replacement is more unpopular than a extension to Erith I’ve noticed. Thats the problem with these changes in that there are some very good points. The 180 going to Erith and improving the link into Abbey Wood is good as is the extension of the 129 to Lewisham. The 108 has alot to do going through the Tunnel and can easy run into trouble so the 129 will be a welcome new link from N Greenwich to Lewisham. Whislt it still wouldn't please everyone, a good compromise would have been extended the 129 as planned and shorten the 180 to be Greenwich to Erith.
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Post by route53 on May 14, 2022 18:54:30 GMT
Now it falls into place as to why you support such an unpopular bus change you live in Erith 🤪 Also I used the 177 today, and it was busier than usual, maybe this will settle down but there were a fair few disgruntled passengers at the extra passengers, especially when changing at Greenwich for Lewisham How are you to know that I didn’t then get another bus from there? Also (sorry) I am most unimpressed with the sarcastic emoji. It was a joke
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Post by twobellstogo on May 14, 2022 18:59:35 GMT
How are you to know that I didn’t then get another bus from there? Also (sorry) I am most unimpressed with the sarcastic emoji. It was a joke Appreciate that : but generally that emoji is used in a derogatory way, at least in my experience. I’m not offended at all, but be careful - some other people may take it far worse than I!
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Post by cl54 on May 14, 2022 19:05:01 GMT
I agree it's likely to be mayhem on the 177 particularly at weekends when the weather is nice and everyone is going out. A rather radical solution might be for the 53 and 177 to swap routes between Woolwich and Deptford Bridge? Initially I thought it was a crazy idea but the more I thought about it........ it would mean a more frequent service between Woolwich and Greenwich and the reduction via Charlton Village and Blackheath shouldn't be a problem with the 54 and 422 also covering most of it. Quite how this would be presented to the public to avoid mass confusion is another matter. Before making a suggestion like this can I suggest that you take a ride on the 53 and see where people get off the bus at Blackheath Royal Standard, Victoria Way, Charlton Village, Hillreach and Woolwich Barracks. If the 177 struggles the solution is to increase the frequency.
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Post by busman on May 14, 2022 19:12:10 GMT
Gave the new 180 a try on my way home this afternoon, from North Greenwich to Erith (not the final little bit to the Quarry). Was more than reasonably popular on the new eastern section. I think it will do well. Will try part of the new 469 later next week, and at some stage see how the 177 is doing without the 180 to help between Woolwich and Greenwich. Whilst I supported the rerouting of the 180 as it gives my area a direct bus to the O2, I really thought the 177 would struggle. But I've been pleasantly surprised travelling around the route this morning, afternoon and early evening and the routes are all doing really well. Maybe TfL's data is right and they know better than me after all The 177 loadings seem to be ok between Charlton and Greenwich. There are longer queues than normal outside the Charlton M&S, but 177's appear to have capacity to cope. I saw a rammed 180 going through the peninsula earlier and loadings seems nicely split between the 180 and 472. I saw a packed 177 leaving Greenwich Nelson Road stop towards Peckham, but that was more down to bunching as there was another 177 about 2-3 minutes behind. The 129 appeared to be doing quite nicely in place of the 180. One thing I noticed in the late afternoon around 6pm...the 286 from Greenwich is incredibly busy. There was a rammed E200 at East Greenwich roundabout and the next bus - a WVL - had similar loadings but obviously had more space. Deckers are so common on the 286, I wonder if it is time to make the switch permanent?
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Post by vjaska on May 14, 2022 19:14:52 GMT
The Woolwich-Greenwich section being reduced without a replacement is more unpopular than a extension to Erith I’ve noticed. Thats the problem with these changes in that there are some very good points. The 180 going to Erith and improving the link into Abbey Wood is good as is the extension of the 129 to Lewisham. The 108 has alot to do going through the Tunnel and can easy run into trouble so the 129 will be a welcome new link from N Greenwich to Lewisham. Whislt it still wouldn't please everyone, a good compromise would have been extended the 129 as planned and shorten the 180 to be Greenwich to Erith. I don’t think they would of considered terminating it at Greenwich as the ambition of Greenwich is to remove terminating routes in their pedestrian plan even though currently, it’s not happening thus far. I think the idea of a 180 split is the best proposal I’ve heard with a Lewisham to Thamesmead & North Greenwich to Erith Quarry
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Post by greenboy on May 14, 2022 19:17:58 GMT
I agree it's likely to be mayhem on the 177 particularly at weekends when the weather is nice and everyone is going out. A rather radical solution might be for the 53 and 177 to swap routes between Woolwich and Deptford Bridge? Initially I thought it was a crazy idea but the more I thought about it........ it would mean a more frequent service between Woolwich and Greenwich and the reduction via Charlton Village and Blackheath shouldn't be a problem with the 54 and 422 also covering most of it. Quite how this would be presented to the public to avoid mass confusion is another matter. Before making a suggestion like this can I suggest that you take a ride on the 53 and see where people get off the bus at Blackheath Royal Standard, Victoria Way, Charlton Village, Hillreach and Woolwich Barracks. If the 177 struggles the solution is to increase the frequency. It was a PD driver who suggested it! As for increasing the 177, where's the money coming from??
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Post by WH241 on May 14, 2022 19:24:20 GMT
Before making a suggestion like this can I suggest that you take a ride on the 53 and see where people get off the bus at Blackheath Royal Standard, Victoria Way, Charlton Village, Hillreach and Woolwich Barracks. If the 177 struggles the solution is to increase the frequency. It was a PD driver who suggested it! As for increasing the 177, where's the money coming from?? Where is the money coming from for all the wild suggestions here?
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Post by greenboy on May 14, 2022 19:31:40 GMT
Gave the new 180 a try on my way home this afternoon, from North Greenwich to Erith (not the final little bit to the Quarry). Was more than reasonably popular on the new eastern section. I think it will do well. Will try part of the new 469 later next week, and at some stage see how the 177 is doing without the 180 to help between Woolwich and Greenwich. Whilst I supported the rerouting of the 180 as it gives my area a direct bus to the O2, I really thought the 177 would struggle. But I've been pleasantly surprised travelling around the route this morning, afternoon and early evening and the routes are all doing really well. Maybe TfL's data is right and they know better than me after all The 177 loadings seem to be ok between Charlton and Greenwich. There are longer queues that normal outside the Charlton M&S, but 177's appear to have capacity to cope. I saw a rammed 180 going through the peninsula earlier and loadings seems nicely split between the 180 and 472. I saw a packed 177 leaving Greenwich Nelson Road stop towards Peckham, but that was more down to bunching as there was another 177 about 2-3 minutes behind. The 129 appeared to be doing quite nicely in place of the 180. One thing I noticed in the late afternoon around 6pm...the 286 from Greenwich is incredibly busy. There was a rammed E200 at East Greenwich roundabout and the next bus - a WVL - had similar loadings but obviously had more space. Deckers are so common on the 286, I wonder if it is time to make the switch permanent? I agree about double deckers on the 286 particularly on a Sunday since the frequency was reduced.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 14, 2022 20:53:08 GMT
Thats the problem with these changes in that there are some very good points. The 180 going to Erith and improving the link into Abbey Wood is good as is the extension of the 129 to Lewisham. The 108 has alot to do going through the Tunnel and can easy run into trouble so the 129 will be a welcome new link from N Greenwich to Lewisham. Whislt it still wouldn't please everyone, a good compromise would have been extended the 129 as planned and shorten the 180 to be Greenwich to Erith. I don’t think they would of considered terminating it at Greenwich as the ambition of Greenwich is to remove terminating routes in their pedestrian plan even though currently, it’s not happening thus far. I think the idea of a 180 split is the best proposal I’ve heard with a Lewisham to Thamesmead & North Greenwich to Erith Quarry With the 129 extension aswell? I do think that link will find use to North Greenwich from Lewisham now there are alot more retail and restaurants up there.
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Post by route53 on May 14, 2022 21:17:45 GMT
I don’t think they would of considered terminating it at Greenwich as the ambition of Greenwich is to remove terminating routes in their pedestrian plan even though currently, it’s not happening thus far. I think the idea of a 180 split is the best proposal I’ve heard with a Lewisham to Thamesmead & North Greenwich to Erith Quarry With the 129 extension aswell? I do think that link will find use to North Greenwich from Lewisham now there are alot more retail and restaurants up there. Why not the 129 and 180? Extend the 129 to a point beyond Lewisham, the 180 going to NG overbuses that area now anyway, so two routes from Greenwich to Lewisham should not be too much
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Post by route53 on May 14, 2022 21:19:39 GMT
Whilst I supported the rerouting of the 180 as it gives my area a direct bus to the O2, I really thought the 177 would struggle. But I've been pleasantly surprised travelling around the route this morning, afternoon and early evening and the routes are all doing really well. Maybe TfL's data is right and they know better than me after all The 177 loadings seem to be ok between Charlton and Greenwich. There are longer queues that normal outside the Charlton M&S, but 177's appear to have capacity to cope. I saw a rammed 180 going through the peninsula earlier and loadings seems nicely split between the 180 and 472. I saw a packed 177 leaving Greenwich Nelson Road stop towards Peckham, but that was more down to bunching as there was another 177 about 2-3 minutes behind. The 129 appeared to be doing quite nicely in place of the 180. One thing I noticed in the late afternoon around 6pm...the 286 from Greenwich is incredibly busy. There was a rammed E200 at East Greenwich roundabout and the next bus - a WVL - had similar loadings but obviously had more space. Deckers are so common on the 286, I wonder if it is time to make the switch permanent? I agree about double deckers on the 286 particularly on a Sunday since the frequency was reduced. The 286 should be double decked, always rammed even in off peak, though isn’t there an issue with low trees around the QM Hospital area or has this been sorted?
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