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Post by greenboy on May 14, 2022 21:22:15 GMT
I agree about double deckers on the 286 particularly on a Sunday since the frequency was reduced. The 286 should be double decked, always rammed even in off peak, though isn’t there an issue with low trees around the QM Hospital area or has this been sorted? Yes I think the tree problem at QM Hospital has been resolved.
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Post by route53 on May 14, 2022 21:27:48 GMT
The 286 should be double decked, always rammed even in off peak, though isn’t there an issue with low trees around the QM Hospital area or has this been sorted? Yes I think the tree problem at QM Hospital has been resolved. Then in that case no good reason why this busy route should remain single decked it’s a busy inter borough trunk route
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Post by cl54 on May 14, 2022 21:29:48 GMT
Before making a suggestion like this can I suggest that you take a ride on the 53 and see where people get off the bus at Blackheath Royal Standard, Victoria Way, Charlton Village, Hillreach and Woolwich Barracks. If the 177 struggles the solution is to increase the frequency. It was a PD driver who suggested it! As for increasing the 177, where's the money coming from?? Bus drivers should stick to driving buses. Cuts to other services.
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Post by twobellstogo on May 14, 2022 21:39:54 GMT
The 286 should be double decked, always rammed even in off peak, though isn’t there an issue with low trees around the QM Hospital area or has this been sorted? Yes I think the tree problem at QM Hospital has been resolved. It has been resolved, so now no physical reason why 286 can’t be double decked on a permanent basis.
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Post by Paul on May 14, 2022 23:23:37 GMT
It was a PD driver who suggested it! As for increasing the 177, where's the money coming from?? Bus drivers should stick to driving buses. Cuts to other services. Exactly. What do we know? We only drive them day in and day out and see the same problems occurring day in and day out. We should just shut up and drive 🙄
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Post by vjaska on May 15, 2022 0:22:11 GMT
Bus drivers should stick to driving buses. Cuts to other services. Exactly. What do we know? We only drive them day in and day out and see the same problems occurring day in and day out. We should just shut up and drive 🙄 Indeed, although I think that driver's idea was unworkable, he/she is still entitled to air that view
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Post by route53 on May 15, 2022 6:31:37 GMT
Bus drivers should stick to driving buses. Cuts to other services. Exactly. What do we know? We only drive them day in and day out and see the same problems occurring day in and day out. We should just shut up and drive 🙄 Even though in this case the driver’s idea would only create a similar problem to the 180 changes, I would rather hear a drivers suggestions than some faceless TfL corporate person who thinks they know better than drivers and locals
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Post by route53 on May 15, 2022 6:39:07 GMT
Thats the problem with these changes in that there are some very good points. The 180 going to Erith and improving the link into Abbey Wood is good as is the extension of the 129 to Lewisham. The 108 has alot to do going through the Tunnel and can easy run into trouble so the 129 will be a welcome new link from N Greenwich to Lewisham. Whislt it still wouldn't please everyone, a good compromise would have been extended the 129 as planned and shorten the 180 to be Greenwich to Erith. I don’t think they would of considered terminating it at Greenwich as the ambition of Greenwich is to remove terminating routes in their pedestrian plan even though currently, it’s not happening thus far. I think the idea of a 180 split is the best proposal I’ve heard with a Lewisham to Thamesmead & North Greenwich to Erith Quarry The 180 split should have absolutely been the option while sending the 129 somewhere else, just wait a few weeks when the 177 is rammed, and leaving passengers behind, people will still want to get to Greenwich and the cramped Jubilee line won’t be so much of a draw once CrossRail opens, sadly TfL has taken the hopper fare and the idea people should just change buses a bit too seriously, it’s a classic case of faceless corporate types thinking they know better than us little people 🙄 The Greenwich town centre pedestrianisation has gone quiet, but if it happens then they could send buses to Greenwich Station, or else extend the 286 further beyond Greenwich but that’s for another thread
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Post by greenboy on May 15, 2022 7:55:20 GMT
Exactly. What do we know? We only drive them day in and day out and see the same problems occurring day in and day out. We should just shut up and drive 🙄 Even though in this case the driver’s idea would only create a similar problem to the 180 changes, I would rather hear a drivers suggestions than some faceless TfL corporate person who thinks they know better than drivers and locals Everyone has an opinion and no group of people is exclusively right or wrong, what the driver was suggesting is a juggling of resources and there are pros and cons as with anything else. TfL have obviously got financial constraints to consider and whatever they do it's impossible to please everybody. Obviously it's only been one day but other postings suggested that the 177 wasn't overloaded yesterday and it might turn out that TfL have got this spot on, only time will tell.
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Post by busman on May 15, 2022 8:05:34 GMT
I don’t think they would of considered terminating it at Greenwich as the ambition of Greenwich is to remove terminating routes in their pedestrian plan even though currently, it’s not happening thus far. I think the idea of a 180 split is the best proposal I’ve heard with a Lewisham to Thamesmead & North Greenwich to Erith Quarry The 180 split should have absolutely been the option while sending the 129 somewhere else, just wait a few weeks when the 177 is rammed, and leaving passengers behind, people will still want to get to Greenwich and the cramped Jubilee line won’t be so much of a draw once CrossRail opens, sadly TfL has taken the hopper fare and the idea people should just change buses a bit too seriously, it’s a classic case of faceless corporate types thinking they know better than us little people 🙄 The Greenwich town centre pedestrianisation has gone quiet, but if it happens then they could send buses to Greenwich Station, or else extend the 286 further beyond Greenwich but that’s for another thread Now it’s a case of waiting a few weeks for our greatest fears to play out? Yesterday was a big test…glorious sunshine absolutely perfect for a trip to Greenwich. The changes seemed to pass the test with flying colours. I was also observing the Greenwich-Woolwich corridor around 1am and all seemed normal with no particular hardship on the busier eastbound services. The changes probably don’t make much difference as the 177 and 180 (to my annoyance) always seemed to run quite close together rather than gaps being even between the two services. The 177 loadings looked ok throughout yesterday at all times of the day and the 180 to Greenwich seemed popular. Monday and Tuesday will be bigger tests with commuters hitting the road. I’m prepared to be proven wrong again by TfL and I suspect the direct bus through Belvedere, Abbey Wood and Plumstead to the Jubilee line will save many hopper fare journeys and might even tempt a few people out of their cars. Inevitably issues may arise at times when the Blackwall tunnel disrupts traffic in the area there is potential for longer gaps in service between East Greenwich and Greenwich Town Centre. However the shorter 129 could be more resilient than the 180 over this section and curtailments from Lewisham to Cutty Sark and East Greenwich could help passenger flows during periods of gridlock at Blackwall. Sometimes change can be a good thing and even if the 177 struggles to cope, TfL can simply adjust its frequency.
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Post by route53 on May 15, 2022 10:25:49 GMT
The 180 split should have absolutely been the option while sending the 129 somewhere else, just wait a few weeks when the 177 is rammed, and leaving passengers behind, people will still want to get to Greenwich and the cramped Jubilee line won’t be so much of a draw once CrossRail opens, sadly TfL has taken the hopper fare and the idea people should just change buses a bit too seriously, it’s a classic case of faceless corporate types thinking they know better than us little people 🙄 The Greenwich town centre pedestrianisation has gone quiet, but if it happens then they could send buses to Greenwich Station, or else extend the 286 further beyond Greenwich but that’s for another thread Now it’s a case of waiting a few weeks for our greatest fears to play out? Yesterday was a big test…glorious sunshine absolutely perfect for a trip to Greenwich. The changes seemed to pass the test with flying colours. I was also observing the Greenwich-Woolwich corridor around 1am and all seemed normal with no particular hardship on the busier eastbound services. The changes probably don’t make much difference as the 177 and 180 (to my annoyance) always seemed to run quite close together rather than gaps being even between the two services. The 177 loadings looked ok throughout yesterday at all times of the day and the 180 to Greenwich seemed popular. Monday and Tuesday will be bigger tests with commuters hitting the road. I’m prepared to be proven wrong again by TfL and I suspect the direct bus through Belvedere, Abbey Wood and Plumstead to the Jubilee line will save many hopper fare journeys and might even tempt a few people out of their cars. Inevitably issues may arise at times when the Blackwall tunnel disrupts traffic in the area there is potential for longer gaps in service between East Greenwich and Greenwich Town Centre. However the shorter 129 could be more resilient than the 180 over this section and curtailments from Lewisham to Cutty Sark and East Greenwich could help passenger flows during periods of gridlock at Blackwall. Sometimes change can be a good thing and even if the 177 struggles to cope, TfL can simply adjust its frequency. I doubt they’ll make the 177 12bph, maybe 8bph at best still not enough, the real test is when CrossRail actually opens in a few days time, the 180 & 177 we’re often ran close together because of how busy they could get, I think people may remain in their cars if they’re going to Greenwich and the frequency has been halved, you can’t go by yesterday as it’s the first day so it will take a few weeks, change can be good sometimes but in this case it isn’t.
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Post by twobellstogo on May 15, 2022 14:34:24 GMT
Now it’s a case of waiting a few weeks for our greatest fears to play out? Yesterday was a big test…glorious sunshine absolutely perfect for a trip to Greenwich. The changes seemed to pass the test with flying colours. I was also observing the Greenwich-Woolwich corridor around 1am and all seemed normal with no particular hardship on the busier eastbound services. The changes probably don’t make much difference as the 177 and 180 (to my annoyance) always seemed to run quite close together rather than gaps being even between the two services. The 177 loadings looked ok throughout yesterday at all times of the day and the 180 to Greenwich seemed popular. Monday and Tuesday will be bigger tests with commuters hitting the road. I’m prepared to be proven wrong again by TfL and I suspect the direct bus through Belvedere, Abbey Wood and Plumstead to the Jubilee line will save many hopper fare journeys and might even tempt a few people out of their cars. Inevitably issues may arise at times when the Blackwall tunnel disrupts traffic in the area there is potential for longer gaps in service between East Greenwich and Greenwich Town Centre. However the shorter 129 could be more resilient than the 180 over this section and curtailments from Lewisham to Cutty Sark and East Greenwich could help passenger flows during periods of gridlock at Blackwall. Sometimes change can be a good thing and even if the 177 struggles to cope, TfL can simply adjust its frequency. I doubt they’ll make the 177 12bph, maybe 8bph at best still not enough, the real test is when CrossRail actually opens in a few days time, the 180 & 177 we’re often ran close together because of how busy they could get, I think people may remain in their cars if they’re going to Greenwich and the frequency has been halved, you can’t go by yesterday as it’s the first day so it will take a few weeks, change can be good sometimes but in this case it isn’t. Wait and see, you may well be right, but equally you may be proved wrong and the 177 does cope ok.
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Post by vjaska on May 15, 2022 15:27:16 GMT
5 buses are to be wrapped in an Elizabeth Line wrap - South East London representatives will be on the 180 & 301
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Post by twobellstogo on May 15, 2022 16:48:25 GMT
5 buses are to be wrapped in an Elizabeth Line wrap - South East London representatives will be on the 180 & 301 Don’t take this at all the wrong way, as I know you are super trustworthy, but do you have any further link/place to go to read more?
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Post by twobellstogo on May 15, 2022 16:49:30 GMT
5 buses are to be wrapped in an Elizabeth Line wrap - South East London representatives will be on the 180 & 301 Don’t take this at all the wrong way, as I know you are super trustworthy, but do you have any further link/place to go to read more? Don’t worry : found it 😂😂
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