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Post by DT 11 on Mar 28, 2023 12:45:56 GMT
I learned something the week just gone. An awful lot of workers use the 180 from Erith to the factories and warehouses in and around Church Manorway. Clearly TfL found some untapped potential there! I am not surprised the 229 & 469 first buses were always full of workers. They all used to get off at Lower Road / Church Manorway Stop and Walked. Most people probably board the 180 in Abbey Wood & Erith now to get to the Industrial Area instead of the 229 & 469.
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Post by bx on Nov 16, 2023 6:25:08 GMT
Do you think there is a strong case to Double Deck the 244 it is has been mentioned several times but as it does get packed alot since the Elizabeth line opened and also there will be plenty of spare double deckers available soon when a few routes get there a Electric buses and also if the 11,12, 14 and 74 get scrapped next year. The 244 is in need of double deckers. Frequently and not just in the peaks, most 244’s even late into the evening become besieged in Woolwich by passengers who use it for the solo sections. It was busy before Crossrail opened, however now its a daily occurrence that they can arrive into Woolwich empty and on time or even a few minutes early, particularly towards the QEH at Woolwich Station stop on Plumstead Road and become rammed that by the time an equal amount of passengers are waiting to board at the Woolwich Arsenal Station stop, the bus is effectively trapped there until the bus behind arrives to alleviate the pressure. The same applies in the opposite direction but with the assistance of the 380 isn’t too bad. Spend half an hour in Woolwich observing this particularly at the Woolwich Arsenal Station stop and you’ll see the issue. A frequency increase would be irrelevant considering the loadings awaiting the bus frequently and not just in the peaks are more than the capacity of the available SE.
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Post by cl54 on Nov 16, 2023 6:42:41 GMT
Do you think there is a strong case to Double Deck the 244 it is has been mentioned several times but as it does get packed alot since the Elizabeth line opened and also there will be plenty of spare double deckers available soon when a few routes get there a Electric buses and also if the 11,12, 14 and 74 get scrapped next year. The 244 is in need of double deckers. Frequently and not just in the peaks, most 244’s even late into the evening become besieged in Woolwich by passengers who use it for the solo sections. It was busy before Crossrail opened, however now its a daily occurrence that they can arrive into Woolwich empty and on time or even a few minutes early, particularly towards the QEH at Woolwich Station stop on Plumstead Road and become rammed that by the time an equal amount of passengers are waiting to board at the Woolwich Arsenal Station stop, the bus is effectively trapped there until the bus behind arrives to alleviate the pressure. The same applies in the opposite direction but with the assistance of the 380 isn’t too bad. Spend half an hour in Woolwich observing this particularly at the Woolwich Arsenal Station stop and you’ll see the issue. A frequency increase would be irrelevant considering the loadings awaiting the bus frequently and not just in the peaks are more than the capacity of the available SE. I agree with this. The early morning buses into Woolwich from the Shooters Hill area are really busy too. I have travelled on evening buses towards Shooters Hill where passengers are standing all the way to the front doors.
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Post by greenboy on Nov 16, 2023 6:49:14 GMT
Do you think there is a strong case to Double Deck the 244 it is has been mentioned several times but as it does get packed alot since the Elizabeth line opened and also there will be plenty of spare double deckers available soon when a few routes get there a Electric buses and also if the 11,12, 14 and 74 get scrapped next year. The 244 is in need of double deckers. Frequently and not just in the peaks, most 244’s even late into the evening become besieged in Woolwich by passengers who use it for the solo sections. It was busy before Crossrail opened, however now its a daily occurrence that they can arrive into Woolwich empty and on time or even a few minutes early, particularly towards the QEH at Woolwich Station stop on Plumstead Road and become rammed that by the time an equal amount of passengers are waiting to board at the Woolwich Arsenal Station stop, the bus is effectively trapped there until the bus behind arrives to alleviate the pressure. The same applies in the opposite direction but with the assistance of the 380 isn’t too bad. Spend half an hour in Woolwich observing this particularly at the Woolwich Arsenal Station stop and you’ll see the issue. A frequency increase would be irrelevant considering the loadings awaiting the bus frequently and not just in the peaks are more than the capacity of the available SE. Are people likely to go upstairs in sufficient numbers? If not then double deckers aren't going to achieve much and a frequency increase is a better option.
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Post by bx on Nov 16, 2023 6:54:06 GMT
The 244 is in need of double deckers. Frequently and not just in the peaks, most 244’s even late into the evening become besieged in Woolwich by passengers who use it for the solo sections. It was busy before Crossrail opened, however now its a daily occurrence that they can arrive into Woolwich empty and on time or even a few minutes early, particularly towards the QEH at Woolwich Station stop on Plumstead Road and become rammed that by the time an equal amount of passengers are waiting to board at the Woolwich Arsenal Station stop, the bus is effectively trapped there until the bus behind arrives to alleviate the pressure. The same applies in the opposite direction but with the assistance of the 380 isn’t too bad. Spend half an hour in Woolwich observing this particularly at the Woolwich Arsenal Station stop and you’ll see the issue. A frequency increase would be irrelevant considering the loadings awaiting the bus frequently and not just in the peaks are more than the capacity of the available SE. Are people likely to go upstairs in sufficient numbers? If not then double deckers aren't going to achieve much and a frequency increase is a better option. Most definitely as you can tell 244 passengers are generally disgruntled at the regular overcrowding but do so as they have little choice to do so.
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Post by bx on Nov 16, 2023 6:54:53 GMT
The 244 is in need of double deckers. Frequently and not just in the peaks, most 244’s even late into the evening become besieged in Woolwich by passengers who use it for the solo sections. It was busy before Crossrail opened, however now its a daily occurrence that they can arrive into Woolwich empty and on time or even a few minutes early, particularly towards the QEH at Woolwich Station stop on Plumstead Road and become rammed that by the time an equal amount of passengers are waiting to board at the Woolwich Arsenal Station stop, the bus is effectively trapped there until the bus behind arrives to alleviate the pressure. The same applies in the opposite direction but with the assistance of the 380 isn’t too bad. Spend half an hour in Woolwich observing this particularly at the Woolwich Arsenal Station stop and you’ll see the issue. A frequency increase would be irrelevant considering the loadings awaiting the bus frequently and not just in the peaks are more than the capacity of the available SE. I agree with this. The early morning buses into Woolwich from the Shooters Hill area are really busy too. I have travelled on evening buses towards Shooters Hill where passengers are standing all the way to the front doors. You can’t beat the view of a regular driver of the route
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Post by greenboy on Nov 16, 2023 7:00:35 GMT
Are people likely to go upstairs in sufficient numbers? If not then double deckers aren't going to achieve much and a frequency increase is a better option. Most definitely as you can tell 244 passengers are generally disgruntled at the regular overcrowding but do so as they have little choice to do so. How can you know this? Personally if I were travelling a relatively short distance to the station I'd want to be near the door for a quick exit and I would imagine many people are the same.
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Post by bx on Nov 16, 2023 7:03:46 GMT
Most definitely as you can tell 244 passengers are generally disgruntled at the regular overcrowding but do so as they have little choice to do so. How can you know this? Personally if I were travelling a relatively short distance to the station I'd want to be near the door for a quick exit and I would imagine many people are the same. Passengers have often remarked about this, coupled with altercations between passengers on said route due to said issue at said location on many occasions. Speaks for itself. If the double decker is there they will use it. The same was probably said for the likes of the 178 and 291 when they first went double decker and look at now, imagine a SD appearing on the 291, it’ll be anarchy.
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Post by greenboy on Nov 16, 2023 7:18:46 GMT
How can you know this? Personally if I were travelling a relatively short distance to the station I'd want to be near the door for a quick exit and I would imagine many people are the same. Passengers have often remarked about this, coupled with altercations between passengers on said route due to said issue at said location on many occasions. Speaks for itself. If the double decker is there they will use it. The same was probably said for the likes of the 178 and 291 when they first went double decker and look at now, imagine a SD appearing on the 291, it’ll be anarchy. I often see buses on routes like the 291 leaving people behind when there are empty seats on the top deck.
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Post by rj131 on Nov 16, 2023 7:33:03 GMT
How can you know this? Personally if I were travelling a relatively short distance to the station I'd want to be near the door for a quick exit and I would imagine many people are the same. Passengers have often remarked about this, coupled with altercations between passengers on said route due to said issue at said location on many occasions. Speaks for itself. If the double decker is there they will use it. The same was probably said for the likes of the 178 and 291 when they first went double decker and look at now, imagine a SD appearing on the 291, it’ll be anarchy. I get the 291 as it’s always been busy, but has the 178 really picked up that much since converting? I remember when it was first converted the consensus was it really didn’t need them and it was carrying air!
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Post by bx on Nov 16, 2023 7:55:35 GMT
Passengers have often remarked about this, coupled with altercations between passengers on said route due to said issue at said location on many occasions. Speaks for itself. If the double decker is there they will use it. The same was probably said for the likes of the 178 and 291 when they first went double decker and look at now, imagine a SD appearing on the 291, it’ll be anarchy. I often see buses on routes like the 291 leaving people behind when there are empty seats on the top deck. Think that common sense will prevail in due course.
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Post by bx on Nov 16, 2023 7:57:48 GMT
Passengers have often remarked about this, coupled with altercations between passengers on said route due to said issue at said location on many occasions. Speaks for itself. If the double decker is there they will use it. The same was probably said for the likes of the 178 and 291 when they first went double decker and look at now, imagine a SD appearing on the 291, it’ll be anarchy. I get the 291 as it’s always been busy, but has the 178 really picked up that much since converting? I remember when it was first converted the consensus was it really didn’t need them and it was carrying air! The 178 was never that busy when I was driving it when it had no long just converted to DD and I thought the same, however unlike the 291 I think the 178 conversation will pay off in time pending the completion of the new builds at Kidbrooke along with the better routing thats currently being proposed.
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Post by twobellstogo on Nov 16, 2023 9:49:06 GMT
I agree with this. The early morning buses into Woolwich from the Shooters Hill area are really busy too. I have travelled on evening buses towards Shooters Hill where passengers are standing all the way to the front doors. You can’t beat the view of a regular driver of the route I think cl54 is a regular 244 commuter rather than a driver, but the same applies.
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Post by WH241 on Nov 16, 2023 9:51:48 GMT
Was there ever a plan to double deck the 244? Just wonder why they included it on the MG blinds? Looking at the LVF I can’t see any odd double decker workings in the past.
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Post by twobellstogo on Nov 16, 2023 9:54:35 GMT
Was there ever a plan to double deck the 244? Just wonder why they included it on the MG blinds? Looking at the LVF I can’t see any odd double decker workings in the past. It was a proposal in the original Crossrail route changes, but it was decided that it would stay as it is now.
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