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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 16, 2023 10:09:17 GMT
Was there ever a plan to double deck the 244? Just wonder why they included it on the MG blinds? Looking at the LVF I can’t see any odd double decker workings in the past. It was a proposal in the original Crossrail route changes, but it was decided that it would stay as it is now. Maybe it was done to future proof incase it happened at a later date.
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Post by greenboy on Nov 16, 2023 10:32:21 GMT
It was a proposal in the original Crossrail route changes, but it was decided that it would stay as it is now. Maybe it was done to future proof incase it happened at a later date. I wouldn't read too much into what is on blinds, I think MB double deckers have the R routes on their blinds?
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Post by cl54 on Nov 16, 2023 11:06:46 GMT
Was there ever a plan to double deck the 244? Just wonder why they included it on the MG blinds? Looking at the LVF I can’t see any odd double decker workings in the past. It was a proposal in the original Crossrail route changes, but it was decided that it would stay as it is now. but it was supposed to be reviewed after the line opened. I think there is one branch on a tree near the top of Shooters Hill that would need to be cut back.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 16, 2023 14:23:26 GMT
How can you know this? Personally if I were travelling a relatively short distance to the station I'd want to be near the door for a quick exit and I would imagine many people are the same. Passengers have often remarked about this, coupled with altercations between passengers on said route due to said issue at said location on many occasions. Speaks for itself. If the double decker is there they will use it. The same was probably said for the likes of the 178 and 291 when they first went double decker and look at now, imagine a SD appearing on the 291, it’ll be anarchy. I'm not a regular by any means but the final time I used a single decker on the 291, it was indeed anarchy and it wasn't even peak time nor was there a gap in the service. The 291 is also unique in that it's not physically possible to use longer single deckers and there's only so much a frequency increase would of done so certainly made sense in my eyes to go double deck. As for the 244, again not a regular by any means but even before Crossrail, it seemed to be a busy route from the few times I saw it and from the couple of rides I had, loadings were busy. I don't buy into the whole people don't go upstairs thing especially when it's not entirely clear why a certain journey doesn't have as many upstairs (I've seen many of my own routes, of which all are double deck and rightly so, have certain journeys where the upper deck is light - only yesterday, a 118 left Brixton with few people upstairs and many downstairs). Behaviours can and do change otherwise routes would have double decker conversions in the first place.
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Post by bx on Nov 16, 2023 16:50:43 GMT
You can’t beat the view of a regular driver of the route I think cl54 is a regular 244 commuter rather than a driver, but the same applies. I am however
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Post by cl54 on Nov 16, 2023 16:51:12 GMT
The 386 was not included in the consultation but is carrying far more passengers than before.
I just travelled on a bus on the route. We left about 10 intending passengers at the stop beside Woolwich Arsenal station.
The route is subject to traffic delays in Greenwich and there currently a diversion in the area because of gas repairs.
The buses only run every 15 minutes and are prone to cancellations becuase of the traffic delays and the age of the vehicles.
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Post by bx on Nov 16, 2023 16:53:58 GMT
Maybe it was done to future proof incase it happened at a later date. I wouldn't read too much into what is on blinds, I think MB double deckers have the R routes on their blinds? Only R9 on the blinds of MB deckers
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Post by bx on Nov 16, 2023 16:55:20 GMT
It was a proposal in the original Crossrail route changes, but it was decided that it would stay as it is now. but it was supposed to be reviewed after the line opened. I think there is one branch on a tree near the top of Shooters Hill that would need to be cut back. I agree but also a slight pruning around the Broadwaters Estate
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Post by busman on Nov 16, 2023 17:01:46 GMT
Passengers have often remarked about this, coupled with altercations between passengers on said route due to said issue at said location on many occasions. Speaks for itself. If the double decker is there they will use it. The same was probably said for the likes of the 178 and 291 when they first went double decker and look at now, imagine a SD appearing on the 291, it’ll be anarchy. I'm not a regular by any means but the final time I used a single decker on the 291, it was indeed anarchy and it wasn't even peak time nor was there a gap in the service. The 291 is also unique in that it's not physically possible to use longer single deckers and there's only so much a frequency increase would of done so certainly made sense in my eyes to go double deck. As for the 244, again not a regular by any means but even before Crossrail, it seemed to be a busy route from the few times I saw it and from the couple of rides I had, loadings were busy. I don't buy into the whole people don't go upstairs thing especially when it's not entirely clear why a certain journey doesn't have as many upstairs (I've seen many of my own routes, of which all are double deck and rightly so, have certain journeys where the upper deck is light - only yesterday, a 118 left Brixton with few people upstairs and many downstairs). Behaviours can and do change otherwise routes would have double decker conversions in the first place. I only observe the 244 between Woolwich and Plumstead and at Abbey Wood Station, but from what I have seen loadings can be very heavy during busy periods with buses full to capacity. I think it was wise that TfL planned to revisit the decking of the 244. Now is the time. Loadings on all services seem to have increased recently on routes serving Abbey Wood and Woolwich stations. On Monday at around 7:45am I saw a 301 on Brampton Road towards Abbey Wood with a full upper deck and passengers standing on the lower. What a great addition to the network the 301 has been.
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Post by twobellstogo on Nov 16, 2023 18:25:30 GMT
I think cl54 is a regular 244 commuter rather than a driver, but the same applies. I am however I realised that the moment I pressed send, because I’m basically a silly lump 😂
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Post by bx on Nov 17, 2023 9:25:11 GMT
I realised that the moment I pressed send, because I’m basically a silly lump 😂 That’s okay
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Post by bx on Nov 17, 2023 9:27:58 GMT
I'm not a regular by any means but the final time I used a single decker on the 291, it was indeed anarchy and it wasn't even peak time nor was there a gap in the service. The 291 is also unique in that it's not physically possible to use longer single deckers and there's only so much a frequency increase would of done so certainly made sense in my eyes to go double deck. As for the 244, again not a regular by any means but even before Crossrail, it seemed to be a busy route from the few times I saw it and from the couple of rides I had, loadings were busy. I don't buy into the whole people don't go upstairs thing especially when it's not entirely clear why a certain journey doesn't have as many upstairs (I've seen many of my own routes, of which all are double deck and rightly so, have certain journeys where the upper deck is light - only yesterday, a 118 left Brixton with few people upstairs and many downstairs). Behaviours can and do change otherwise routes would have double decker conversions in the first place. I only observe the 244 between Woolwich and Plumstead and at Abbey Wood Station, but from what I have seen loadings can be very heavy during busy periods with buses full to capacity. I think it was wise that TfL planned to revisit the decking of the 244. Now is the time. Loadings on all services seem to have increased recently on routes serving Abbey Wood and Woolwich stations. On Monday at around 7:45am I saw a 301 on Brampton Road towards Abbey Wood with a full upper deck and passengers standing on the lower. What a great addition to the network the 301 has been. Without a doubt the 301 has been a massive help, at its northern end it eases the pressure off the 472, assists with the B11 between Abbey Wood and Long Lane which had it not done, the B11 wouldn’t be able to cope, that too is another busy route whereby loadings are increasing massively. It also takes large pressure off the 401 at the Bexleyheath end heading north.
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Post by busboy17 on Nov 17, 2023 20:40:42 GMT
I'm not a regular by any means but the final time I used a single decker on the 291, it was indeed anarchy and it wasn't even peak time nor was there a gap in the service. The 291 is also unique in that it's not physically possible to use longer single deckers and there's only so much a frequency increase would of done so certainly made sense in my eyes to go double deck. As for the 244, again not a regular by any means but even before Crossrail, it seemed to be a busy route from the few times I saw it and from the couple of rides I had, loadings were busy. I don't buy into the whole people don't go upstairs thing especially when it's not entirely clear why a certain journey doesn't have as many upstairs (I've seen many of my own routes, of which all are double deck and rightly so, have certain journeys where the upper deck is light - only yesterday, a 118 left Brixton with few people upstairs and many downstairs). Behaviours can and do change otherwise routes would have double decker conversions in the first place. I only observe the 244 between Woolwich and Plumstead and at Abbey Wood Station, but from what I have seen loadings can be very heavy during busy periods with buses full to capacity. I think it was wise that TfL planned to revisit the decking of the 244. Now is the time. Loadings on all services seem to have increased recently on routes serving Abbey Wood and Woolwich stations. On Monday at around 7:45am I saw a 301 on Brampton Road towards Abbey Wood with a full upper deck and passengers standing on the lower. What a great addition to the network the 301 has been. Honestly don't see the 244 going DD Between Herbert Road and shooters Hill might be a problem..... may be able to get away with slightly longer SDs but unlikely
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Post by mb171 on Nov 17, 2023 20:52:23 GMT
I only observe the 244 between Woolwich and Plumstead and at Abbey Wood Station, but from what I have seen loadings can be very heavy during busy periods with buses full to capacity. I think it was wise that TfL planned to revisit the decking of the 244. Now is the time. Loadings on all services seem to have increased recently on routes serving Abbey Wood and Woolwich stations. On Monday at around 7:45am I saw a 301 on Brampton Road towards Abbey Wood with a full upper deck and passengers standing on the lower. What a great addition to the network the 301 has been. Honestly don't see the 244 going DD Between Herbert Road and shooters Hill might be a problem..... may be able to get away with slightly longer SDs but unlikely I agree - even single deckers struggle getting past each other on that road.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 17, 2023 22:34:22 GMT
Honestly don't see the 244 going DD Between Herbert Road and shooters Hill might be a problem..... may be able to get away with slightly longer SDs but unlikely I agree - even single deckers struggle getting past each other on that road. The 244 has used double deckers in the past and the fact TfL were considering it at the very least suggests they could pass through once pruning is done
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