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Post by LondonNorthern on Jun 18, 2021 21:28:37 GMT
An Acton Green - Putney Bridge via Marble Arch route would be rather bizarre routing imo, don't think this will ever happen Westbourne Park to Hammersmith via Marble Arch is also bizarre. Never assume old rules apply anymore. I think the mindset is generally different now - TFL listed they wanted to drop 25 Central London Bus Routes frequencies and in the recent tender results its already been slid through so I other than perhaps seeing a drop to every 10 minutes on the 94 like with what happened to the 148, a drop to every 10 minutes on the 414 I would predict and a possible 6bph on the 23 I doubt any of them will be meddled with.
TFL have had the oppurtunity to slash the most vulnerable route people saw on this forum (being the 148) and they chose not to in the end even though according to someone who works for TFL they said TFL considered in the planning stages to hack it back to Victoria. One route I feel could be at risk very negatively is the 36, the 36s northern section could see a drop in frequency and it not matter particularly (15 buses per hour on Tues-Thurs is honestly ridiculous up there, there is a different schedule on certain days of the week) whilst the section between Paddington and New Cross definitely justifies that frequency even with the 436 south of Vauxhall.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 18, 2021 21:40:24 GMT
Westbourne Park to Hammersmith via Marble Arch is also bizarre. Never assume old rules apply anymore. I think the mindset is generally different now - TFL listed they wanted to drop 25 Central London Bus Routes frequencies and in the recent tender results its already been slid through so I other than perhaps seeing a drop to every 10 minutes on the 94 like with what happened to the 148, a drop to every 10 minutes on the 414 I would predict and a possible 6bph on the 23 I doubt any of them will be meddled with. TFL have had the oppurtunity to slash the most vulnerable route people saw on this forum (being the 148) and they chose not to in the end even though according to someone who works for TFL they said TFL considered in the planning stages to hack it back to Victoria. One route I feel could be at risk very negatively is the 36, the 36s northern section could see a drop in frequency and it not matter particularly (15 buses per hour on Tues-Thurs is honestly ridiculous up there, there is a different schedule on certain days of the week) whilst the section between Paddington and New Cross definitely justifies that frequency even with the 436 south of Vauxhall.
In reality the planned 148 was going to end up costing as much as the 45 was going to go up to every 8 mins and overlapped with the 148 between Victoria and Marble Arch. The only slight slash was the revised 148 was going to drop to every 10 mins which has now happened along the entire route.
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Post by ian on Jun 18, 2021 23:28:09 GMT
As usual with these ruddy proposals they only seem to think about daytime services. So the 113 gets cut back to Marble Arch I suppose, and doubtless the N113 will follow to make it a 24 hour route> That pretty much renders the N113 useless without links to TSq (for Strand and S Bank by foot), Piccadilly, Regent St (for Soho by foot) etc etc. Quite what use a northbound route starting at Marble Arch is at night is lost on me, but hey ho, Uber it will no doubt have to be.
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Post by COBO on Jun 19, 2021 5:27:42 GMT
Why can’t say the rest of the Oxford Street be pedestrianised. If it was me I would pedestrianised it from Selfridges to Holles Street and then from Great Portland Street to Tottenham Court Road. And at least divert the routes elsewhere.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 19, 2021 7:24:41 GMT
As usual with these ruddy proposals they only seem to think about daytime services. So the 113 gets cut back to Marble Arch I suppose, and doubtless the N113 will follow to make it a 24 hour route> That pretty much renders the N113 useless without links to TSq (for Strand and S Bank by foot), Piccadilly, Regent St (for Soho by foot) etc etc. Quite what use a northbound route starting at Marble Arch is at night is lost on me, but hey ho, Uber it will no doubt have to be. The N113 may still be able to reach the stand the 7/N7 will use. The N98 will obviously follow the day route diversion as will probably the N207. The (N)159 will probably be discontinued with the N109 sent on diversion to Marble Arch. Not sure about the (N)94. Last time it was going to continue to Piccadilly (hence the BCEs having N94 on the blinds) but not sure this time.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jun 19, 2021 7:49:26 GMT
As usual with these ruddy proposals they only seem to think about daytime services. So the 113 gets cut back to Marble Arch I suppose, and doubtless the N113 will follow to make it a 24 hour route> That pretty much renders the N113 useless without links to TSq (for Strand and S Bank by foot), Piccadilly, Regent St (for Soho by foot) etc etc. Quite what use a northbound route starting at Marble Arch is at night is lost on me, but hey ho, Uber it will no doubt have to be. The Night Routes I think will stay bar the N159 which has been speculated for a while to be replaced by an extended N109. This entire proposal of removing buses from Oxford Street was simply to make it an attractive place to walk during the daytime so I doubt the night routes will be affected too much.
I am disappointed in the cutback of the 113, it has a very strong commuter flow to and from Central London so to me it is really sad it would be removed - if I was the person choosing what route to remove it would probably be the 7 however I think it saved itself through the fact it has hydrogen buses and it would not be able to go to another route (unless the 245 was partly converted), whereas what I think made the 113/159 more vulnerable was that their buses could be moved and the 94 has buses that are being mass ordered by LU for upcoming contracts.
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Post by kmkcheng on Jun 19, 2021 9:44:50 GMT
As usual with these ruddy proposals they only seem to think about daytime services. So the 113 gets cut back to Marble Arch I suppose, and doubtless the N113 will follow to make it a 24 hour route> That pretty much renders the N113 useless without links to TSq (for Strand and S Bank by foot), Piccadilly, Regent St (for Soho by foot) etc etc. Quite what use a northbound route starting at Marble Arch is at night is lost on me, but hey ho, Uber it will no doubt have to be. Don’t see why N113 couldn’t continue to serve Trafalgar Square. It could continue to follow the diverted 139 route through the junction
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 19, 2021 9:56:40 GMT
As usual with these ruddy proposals they only seem to think about daytime services. So the 113 gets cut back to Marble Arch I suppose, and doubtless the N113 will follow to make it a 24 hour route> That pretty much renders the N113 useless without links to TSq (for Strand and S Bank by foot), Piccadilly, Regent St (for Soho by foot) etc etc. Quite what use a northbound route starting at Marble Arch is at night is lost on me, but hey ho, Uber it will no doubt have to be. Don’t see why N113 couldn’t continue to serve Trafalgar Square. It could continue to follow the diverted 139 route through the junction That is probably what will happen. Same with an N94.
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Post by ian on Jun 19, 2021 9:59:14 GMT
Except in the original consultation on this it did say the 113 would become 24 hour from Marble Arch. We shall see; I am certainly not holding my breath for any other outcome that would keep a useful toute.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 19, 2021 18:11:42 GMT
There seem to be two as you mention. One between John Princes Street and Regent Street and another between Great Portland Street and Regent Street. Now interestingly if this is the case the 55 and 73 might manage to escape on the condition you turn the routes off at Great Portland Street and stand them at Cavendish Square. Hadn't realised it was just a very short stretch either side of Oxford Circus, so doesn't really achieve pedestrianisation and may not make that much difference to overcrowding on the pavements. Had previously speculated on possible cutbacks, but I now expect all routes will remain in a similar form to currently, just with minor diversion around Oxford Circus, and possibly changes to stand arrangements for a few routes. I could possibly see the 113/159 stand swap go ahead, but I think the 94 etc will be mostly unchanged. TfL would probably describe the Marble Arch terminus as "repurposed" for route 113, and Oxford Circus for route 159, as per King's Cross / Euston for routes 59 & 476 to disgiuse the withdrawal of 2 routes past Bond Street Stn.
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Post by aaron1 on Jun 20, 2021 10:42:33 GMT
for the 159 I would reroute to Baker Street as it will make space at Marble Arch
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 20, 2021 12:39:38 GMT
for the 159 I would reroute to Baker Street as it will make space at Marble Arch Atleast that would keep two routes from Oxo/Regent Street to Baker Street if the 113 diverts to Marble Arch.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 21:07:40 GMT
for the 159 I would reroute to Baker Street as it will make space at Marble Arch Atleast that would keep two routes from Oxo/Regent Street to Baker Street if the 113 diverts to Marble Arch. 113 will indeed be moving back to Marble Arch later this year, accompanied by a slight decrease in frequency. 159 will be cut back to Oxo.
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Post by ian on Jul 1, 2021 8:33:17 GMT
Do we know about N113?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 9:18:11 GMT
Atleast that would keep two routes from Oxo/Regent Street to Baker Street if the 113 diverts to Marble Arch. 113 will indeed be moving back to Marble Arch later this year, accompanied by a slight decrease in frequency. 159 will be cut back to Oxo. Does anyone know whether the 94 will get cut back to Marble Arch?
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