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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 28, 2022 20:09:49 GMT
How could the 330 be extended when it goes the exact same way the 115 does? Not sure on whether the 5 could be left on its own between Canning Town & East Ham.
No way could the 5 cope alone between Canning Town and East Ham! East London is very bus dependent but not going over old ground again. Could the 15 thou go to East Ham? I think the demographics would appreciate the link into the City and Trafalgar Square.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 28, 2022 20:11:46 GMT
No way could the 5 cope alone between Canning Town and East Ham! East London is very bus dependent but not going over old ground again. Could the 15 thou go to East Ham? I think the demographics would appreciate the link into the City and Trafalgar Square. I think the 15 would struggle without the 115.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 28, 2022 20:14:21 GMT
Could the 15 thou go to East Ham? I think the demographics would appreciate the link into the City and Trafalgar Square. I think the 15 would struggle without the 115. Sadly with the drop to every 12 mins it seems TFL is running the 15 down. I know it would never happen but it would be great if the 15H returned to help during the tourist season.
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Post by WH241 on Apr 28, 2022 21:09:12 GMT
As others have suggested it’s more than likely the 15 would be merged with the 115 probably at the expense of being pulled back further from the west! Maybe Aldwych or even somewhere like Mansion House to East Ham?
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 28, 2022 21:23:27 GMT
As others have suggested it’s more than likely the 15 would be merged with the 115 probably at the expense of being pulled back further from the west! Maybe Aldwych or even somewhere like Mansion House to East Ham? Aldwych would probably out due to less stand space then before.
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Post by ronnie on Apr 28, 2022 21:43:21 GMT
As others have suggested it’s more than likely the 15 would be merged with the 115 probably at the expense of being pulled back further from the west! Maybe Aldwych or even somewhere like Mansion House to East Ham? Aldwych would probably out due to less stand space then before. Could it stand somewhere around Temple?
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Post by YX10FFN on Apr 28, 2022 22:55:55 GMT
Aldwych would probably out due to less stand space then before. Could it stand somewhere around Temple? No. It's Aldwych, Mansion House or Tower Gateway. Personally think the 15 should be untouched, as we try and get tourists/day trippers back on London's buses this summer makes no sense to mess with one of the most popular and useful tourist routes. Even suggesting such a cut will get all the usual suspect cut fanatics out with some more crazy ideas.
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Post by londontravel on Apr 29, 2022 4:41:58 GMT
I’d suggest withdrawing route 15 between Poplar and Blackwall and extend it to East Ham, replacing the 115. Then it provides a direct and useful link from the east end into the city and west end. The 5 can support it between East Ham and Canning Town, and the 135 along Commercial Road.
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Post by cl54 on Apr 29, 2022 5:59:20 GMT
Passengers aren't foolish, and TfL seem more cunning that they're given credit for. Bus services aren't only being withdrawn but also alternative bus routes to complete the same journey as well. The Aldwych- Oxford Street routes are a great case study for this. The 15 is pulled back from Paddington, still a few routes left to do the same journey. Then slowly the 23 was cut to Aldwych then rerouted away altogether, the 6 rerouted via Park Lane and then the old 13 ceased to exist. Now if there's a problem with the 139 (delays, diversions, RTCs etc) what other route will take passengers from Oxford Street to Aldwych? None, and so this mode of transport won't be considered if there's anything wrong with the 139. In psychology there's a term called nudging, pretty much coercive suggestion. This isn't nudging, TfL are straight up dismantling the bus network in central London to make it seem as the Tube is the only quick and reliable option. It isn't. Getting a bus from Chancery Lane to Holborn outside the peaks is quicker than going underground and coming back up again. TfL however has a problem with that reality, which is why the 25 and 242 are no longer running between the two points. I'm not sure that a lot of people want to travel from Oxford Street to Aldwych. In past days there were long supervised queues outside Charing Cross station with people wanting Regent Street/Oxford Street. Aldwych was the nearest turn. No long queues now. Walking from Chancery Lane to Holborn is quicker than waiting for a bus.
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Post by greenboy on Apr 29, 2022 6:02:49 GMT
I think the 15 would struggle without the 115. Sadly with the drop to every 12 mins it seems TFL is running the 15 down. I know it would never happen but it would be great if the 15H returned to help during the tourist season. I think the 15H is going to have to return in some form when tourism returns, very busy now at weekends especially if there is engineering work on the District Line.
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Post by YX10FFN on Apr 29, 2022 6:41:22 GMT
Passengers aren't foolish, and TfL seem more cunning that they're given credit for. Bus services aren't only being withdrawn but also alternative bus routes to complete the same journey as well. The Aldwych- Oxford Street routes are a great case study for this. The 15 is pulled back from Paddington, still a few routes left to do the same journey. Then slowly the 23 was cut to Aldwych then rerouted away altogether, the 6 rerouted via Park Lane and then the old 13 ceased to exist. Now if there's a problem with the 139 (delays, diversions, RTCs etc) what other route will take passengers from Oxford Street to Aldwych? None, and so this mode of transport won't be considered if there's anything wrong with the 139. In psychology there's a term called nudging, pretty much coercive suggestion. This isn't nudging, TfL are straight up dismantling the bus network in central London to make it seem as the Tube is the only quick and reliable option. It isn't. Getting a bus from Chancery Lane to Holborn outside the peaks is quicker than going underground and coming back up again. TfL however has a problem with that reality, which is why the 25 and 242 are no longer running between the two points. I'm not sure that a lot of people want to travel from Oxford Street to Aldwych. In past days there were long supervised queues outside Charing Cross station with people wanting Regent Street/Oxford Street. Aldwych was the nearest turn. No long queues now. Walking from Chancery Lane to Holborn is quicker than waiting for a bus. So is the solution to aggressively whittle down the network, slashing frequencies and routes themselves, until it is no longer accessible or convenient for passengers to travel those sections at all? For short hop journeys in Central London, turn up and go service is what makes bus travel attractive. When passengers see they have to wait 8 minutes for the 139 for a short journey, they may aswell not bother and either walk or get the tube. That is an example of how these indiscriminate cuts turf people off the network for good.
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Post by WH241 on Apr 29, 2022 8:03:01 GMT
Could it stand somewhere around Temple? No. It's Aldwych, Mansion House or Tower Gateway. Personally think the 15 should be untouched, as we try and get tourists/day trippers back on London's buses this summer makes no sense to mess with one of the most popular and useful tourist routes. Even suggesting such a cut will get all the usual suspect cut fanatics out with some more crazy ideas. Sadly TfL don’t see the route as a important link especially with the recent cut in frequency despite losing the 15H! Like you I was expecting to log on the pages of wild ideas taking the 15 on a mystery tour of east London.
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Post by WH241 on Apr 29, 2022 8:05:07 GMT
Sadly with the drop to every 12 mins it seems TFL is running the 15 down. I know it would never happen but it would be great if the 15H returned to help during the tourist season. I think the 15H is going to have to return in some form when tourism returns, very busy now at weekends especially if there is engineering work on the District Line. The 15H is very unlikely to return at least in it’s previous form!! All that is likely is extras on the 15 when the District Line is closed between Aldgate and Trafalgar Square! These have run in the past.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 29, 2022 8:47:24 GMT
I’d suggest withdrawing route 15 between Poplar and Blackwall and extend it to East Ham, replacing the 115. Then it provides a direct and useful link from the east end into the city and west end. The 5 can support it between East Ham and Canning Town, and the 135 along Commercial Road. Wouldn’t that make it a bit lengthy though not to mention the only support from Canning Town to Limehouse would be the single decker D6?
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Post by WH241 on Apr 29, 2022 9:01:20 GMT
I’d suggest withdrawing route 15 between Poplar and Blackwall and extend it to East Ham, replacing the 115. Then it provides a direct and useful link from the east end into the city and west end. The 5 can support it between East Ham and Canning Town, and the 135 along Commercial Road. Wouldn’t that make it a bit lengthy though not to mention the only support from Canning Town to Limehouse would be the single decker D6? Canning Town to Poplar is already one bus so that section should be fine, the section from Poplar to Limehouse is only a few stops so that would probably cope okay too with the D6 to support. When I have used the 15 from Poplar it’s never been that busy. In terms of length it probably is manageable there are other much longer routes.
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