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Post by greg on May 5, 2022 21:13:16 GMT
31 extended to Acton Green 😳 Crazy idea
If anything it needs a shortened route or split, for what seems a short route the neverending traffic and roadworks between Camden and Kilburn Park and the traffic from Harrow Road...
You could do like a 31 Camden Town (Id suggest an extension to Kings Cross via 214 to bring new links), to Maida Hill, The Chippenham (414 vacated)
431 Acton Green to Finchley Road, Waitrose (94 to S.Bush, 31 to Swiss Cottage and onto Finchley Road via College Crescent
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Post by southlondonbus on May 5, 2022 21:17:57 GMT
That proposal TFL were considering at the time seemed slightly odd to me as it didn't save anything and created another Victoria to Marble Arch route and there was no spare stand space at MA. Was they ever officially TfL proposals or just rumours? It was a proposal. They gave a tender update saying the award of the 148 was delayed as they had considered extending the 45 and curtailing the 148 to Victoria.
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Post by vjaska on May 5, 2022 23:14:30 GMT
That proposal TFL were considering at the time seemed slightly odd to me as it didn't save anything and created another Victoria to Marble Arch route and there was no spare stand space at MA. Was they ever officially TfL proposals or just rumours? It was a legit proposal as I first heard it from a good Abellio source who has right on many occasions
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Post by greenboy on May 6, 2022 4:37:07 GMT
Yes all perfectly plausible, there was a previous suggestion about the 45 being extended to Victoria or Marble Arch and your suggestion is a convenient way to reuse the number 48. That proposal TFL were considering at the time seemed slightly odd to me as it didn't save anything and created another Victoria to Marble Arch route and there was no spare stand space at MA. From what I understood the 148 would have been withdrawn?
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Post by southlondonbus on May 6, 2022 6:37:19 GMT
That proposal TFL were considering at the time seemed slightly odd to me as it didn't save anything and created another Victoria to Marble Arch route and there was no spare stand space at MA. From what I understood the 148 would have been withdrawn? . No that was what we all assumed with the Bayswater Road section left to the 31/94/274 but in reality the 148 was going to remain to Victoria.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 6, 2022 8:06:12 GMT
With Labour gaining control of Westminster Council we may see the Mayor trying to pedestrianise Oxford Street again or atleast partially between Oxo and Selfridges as last time it was part of of the Tory manifesto to block it.
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Post by wirewiper on May 6, 2022 9:46:28 GMT
With Labour gaining control of Westminster Council we may see the Mayor trying to pedestrianise Oxford Street again or atleast partially between Oxo and Selfridges as last time it was part of of the Tory manifesto to block it. Wandsworth was the council that Labour needed to take, to show it is a serious contender for the next General Election (although previously a Conservative council, the Borough has two very impressive Labour MPs in Rosena Allin-Kahn and Marsha de Cordova). Barnet should be the council that Labour are pleased to take, as it demonstrates that Jewish voters are prepared to trust the party again. Westminster, though - wow, just wow. It will be interesting to see how that plays out in Oxford Street and if the future of the Street is a priority or not for the incoming administration.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 6, 2022 10:01:02 GMT
With Labour gaining control of Westminster Council we may see the Mayor trying to pedestrianise Oxford Street again or atleast partially between Oxo and Selfridges as last time it was part of of the Tory manifesto to block it. Wandsworth was the council that Labour needed to take, to show it is a serious contender for the next General Election (although previously a Conservative council, the Borough has two very impressive Labour MPs in Rosena Allin-Kahn and Marsha de Cordova). Barnet should be the council that Labour are pleased to take, as it demonstrates that Jewish voters are prepared to trust the party again. Westminster, though - wow, just wow. It will be interesting to see how that plays out in Oxford Street and if the future of the Street is a priority or not for the incoming administration. Arguably the london thou doesn't show much for the next election as all the Wandsworth MPs (including Putney) aswell as Westminster North and City of Westminster MPs are already Labour.
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Post by vjaska on May 6, 2022 11:43:17 GMT
Wandsworth was the council that Labour needed to take, to show it is a serious contender for the next General Election (although previously a Conservative council, the Borough has two very impressive Labour MPs in Rosena Allin-Kahn and Marsha de Cordova). Barnet should be the council that Labour are pleased to take, as it demonstrates that Jewish voters are prepared to trust the party again. Westminster, though - wow, just wow. It will be interesting to see how that plays out in Oxford Street and if the future of the Street is a priority or not for the incoming administration. Arguably the london thou doesn't show much for the next election as all the Wandsworth MPs (including Putney) aswell as Westminster North and City of Westminster MPs are already Labour. I suspect at the general election, they will then concentrate on the likes of Hillingdon where they made inroads last night into the Uxbridge ward which is usually staunch Tories and see if they can start chipping at the other outer boroughs but give it a decade or so and the Torries may not exist in London with majority of councils under Labour control with the others under someone else like Lib Dem’s
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Post by bilbobaggins1 on May 6, 2022 11:59:58 GMT
Personally myself, why they ever shortened the 159 from Marble Arch to Oxford Circus I thought never made sense. They would have been better terminating it at Baker Street or even Marylebone Station (even though now 453 and 2 would duplicate on some parts)
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Post by vjaska on May 6, 2022 13:57:59 GMT
Personally myself, why they ever shortened the 159 from Marble Arch to Oxford Circus I thought never made sense. They would have been better terminating it at Baker Street or even Marylebone Station (even though now 453 and 2 would duplicate on some parts) It was done simply to remove more buses from Oxford Street as is the case with most of the routes that did run along there but now no longer do. There is no room at Marylebone for another terminating route - the 453 stand is only big enough to accommodate that route and even then, it arguably could be bigger whilst the 2 stand I believe is only big enough for that route. No idea about Baker Street but it would probably be an unnecessary duplication of the 453
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Post by abellion on May 6, 2022 17:47:06 GMT
Personally myself, why they ever shortened the 159 from Marble Arch to Oxford Circus I thought never made sense. They would have been better terminating it at Baker Street or even Marylebone Station (even though now 453 and 2 would duplicate on some parts) If anything gets extended to Marylebone it would probably replace the 453 and it'd probably the lower frequency 12 or maybe even the 22 if TfL see the 12/453 Bakerloo parallel as reason to not run them to Marylebone
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Post by redbus on May 6, 2022 21:05:46 GMT
As an 'armchair expert' I think the 94 is safe - for the foreseeable future. There are simply too many passengers for a route merger, and long it may it stay that way!
The danger is once the 94 is shortened to Marble Arch (or is it now Portman Square which might give links to the 139), is that passengers will desert the route. That could lead to frequency reductions and an eventual merger.
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Post by YX10FFN on May 6, 2022 21:26:28 GMT
As an 'armchair expert' I think the 94 is safe - for the foreseeable future. There are simply too many passengers for a route merger, and long it may it stay that way! The danger is once the 94 is shortened to Marble Arch (or is it now Portman Square which might give links to the 139), is that passengers will desert the route. That could lead to frequency reductions and an eventual merger. Your point about passengers deserting the route is exactly what I'm worried about aswell- I use the 94 frequently when coming home from the West End, because it's convenience is in the fact that it actually traverses into the West End, and is accessible to Regent Street, Oxford Street and Piccadilly Circus areas. If it's pulled back to Marble Arch I wouldn't get another bus to get to the 94 at Marble Arch, I'd probably walk to the 9 or get the tube. The usefulness and convenience of the 94 would greatly decrease.
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Post by greg on May 7, 2022 0:04:58 GMT
A thought I had about now which probably is not much to talk about whether this pedestrianising happens or not is that TFL have completely damaged part of London's main tourism hotspot which can obviously lead to more factors
With no routes running inbetween Oxford Street, its very hard for people to now to commute from other sides of the city. The 98 is a poor example and the 390 most definitely is aswell. The 139 simply won't be able to take all the loads either.
Seems like we have a new Trafalgar Square where its a terminus hotspot like Stratford also.
Didnt feel so long ago when we had bus routes 6, 8, 10, 15, 23, 25, 113, 137, 159, C2 and more I have may forgotten down Oxford Circus
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