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Post by ADH45258 on Apr 25, 2023 14:06:45 GMT
It has now been confirmed for once and for all that the full Elizabeth Line timetable can come into operation on Sunday 21st May, this follows the successful software upgrade that occurred over the Easter weekend when the Central Core was closed. The main features are: - 24 trains an hour (one every 2.5 minutes) between Paddington and Whitechapel at peak times and 16 trains an hour at off-peak times. - direct trains from Shenfield and East London stations to Heathrow Airport (Terminals 2 & 3 and Terminal 5) - faster and more frequent journeys from the West into the Central Core - Additional morning peak services into Liverpool Street main line and additional evening peak trains from Liverpool Street main line - a half-hourly with-the-flow service will operate for three hours each weekday. From the same date GWR local services between London Paddington and Didcot Parkway will operate non-stop to and from Slough, apart from some early morning and late night services. tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2023/april/more-frequent-trains-and-new-journey-options-mark-one-year-of-elizabeth-line-operationNot sure if it's the best decision to cut GWR stops between Paddington and Slough. Hayes & Harlington in particular provides a useful interchange for access to Heathrow, as well as Ealing Broadway for the Central/District lines. This will just require passengers to now take a slower train or make an additional change at Slough/Reading.
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Post by kmkcheng on Apr 25, 2023 14:12:52 GMT
It has now been confirmed for once and for all that the full Elizabeth Line timetable can come into operation on Sunday 21st May, this follows the successful software upgrade that occurred over the Easter weekend when the Central Core was closed. The main features are: - 24 trains an hour (one every 2.5 minutes) between Paddington and Whitechapel at peak times and 16 trains an hour at off-peak times. - direct trains from Shenfield and East London stations to Heathrow Airport (Terminals 2 & 3 and Terminal 5) - faster and more frequent journeys from the West into the Central Core - Additional morning peak services into Liverpool Street main line and additional evening peak trains from Liverpool Street main line - a half-hourly with-the-flow service will operate for three hours each weekday. From the same date GWR local services between London Paddington and Didcot Parkway will operate non-stop to and from Slough, apart from some early morning and late night services. tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2023/april/more-frequent-trains-and-new-journey-options-mark-one-year-of-elizabeth-line-operationNot sure if it's the best decision to cut GWR stops between Paddington and Slough. Hayes & Harlington in particular provides a useful interchange for access to Heathrow, as well as Ealing Broadway for the Central/District lines. This will just require passengers to now take a slower train or make an additional change at Slough/Reading. I’m guessing they don’t have a choice as I believe these are now pathed onto the fast lines
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 25, 2023 14:23:12 GMT
Not sure if it's the best decision to cut GWR stops between Paddington and Slough. Hayes & Harlington in particular provides a useful interchange for access to Heathrow, as well as Ealing Broadway for the Central/District lines. This will just require passengers to now take a slower train or make an additional change at Slough/Reading. I’m guessing they don’t have a choice as I believe these are now pathed onto the fast lines I think that was always the intention, to have the locals on the fast lines at least beyond Airport Junction and free up capacity for Elizabeth Line trains. It does of course mean faster London trains for Maidenhead and Twyford as well as the stops beyond Reading. The Oxford services lose their Slough stops from the same date.
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Post by northlondon83 on Apr 26, 2023 17:29:48 GMT
Are Elizabeth line trains in the eastern section (Shenfield branch) capable of skipping stops like Reading trains do?
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 26, 2023 17:34:51 GMT
Are Elizabeth line trains in the eastern section (Shenfield branch) capable of skipping stops like Reading trains do? Possibly if it could get on the fast line out of Liverpool Street then it could do Stratford, Romford and Shenfield.
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Post by WH241 on Apr 26, 2023 17:35:29 GMT
Are Elizabeth line trains in the eastern section (Shenfield branch) capable of skipping stops like Reading trains do? Yes and they have done during rail strikes when they have run from Stratford to Ilford non stop and sometimes have missed other stations between Ilford and Romford.
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Post by VPL630 on Apr 27, 2023 6:54:32 GMT
Not sure if it's the best decision to cut GWR stops between Paddington and Slough. Hayes & Harlington in particular provides a useful interchange for access to Heathrow, as well as Ealing Broadway for the Central/District lines. This will just require passengers to now take a slower train or make an additional change at Slough/Reading. I’m guessing they don’t have a choice as I believe these are now pathed onto the fast lines Correct, GWR stopper services are planed to swap to the fast lines after Slough, this will mean that the Oxford trains that used to stop at Slough won’t anymore, so in other words no more 800’s will serve Slough and there should no longer be trains stopping at Platform 2 or 3, having briefly looked at the timetable the only GWR stopping services that serve the majority of stations will now be the overnight stoppers. For anyone that has been using the service single the last timetable change, you would have probably come accustomed to the slow running due to the GWR trains catching up the EL trains and just general congestion on the line, hopefully this should speed things up a little
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 19, 2023 9:17:40 GMT
Elizabeth line strike suspended after pay talksA strike by Elizabeth line workers which had been planned for the first anniversary of the opening of the route has been suspended.www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8vr8z6vm87o
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Post by busman on May 19, 2023 14:07:37 GMT
The late night timetable from Heathrow really needs improving. Late night trains from Heathrow only go as far as Paddington high level platforms and do not connect well with the last eastbound trains from platforms A/B. The last eastbound train from Paddington leaves a few minutes after a train from Heathrow arrives at the upper platform. There simply isn’t enough time to allow passengers to connect. It’s so poorly planned. Why can’t the later trains from Heathrow run beyond Paddington through the central core? And why does the service to Woolwich finish so early compared to the Shenfield branch? The last trains could at least run to Woolwich.
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 20, 2023 10:03:01 GMT
The late night timetable from Heathrow really needs improving. Late night trains from Heathrow only go as far as Paddington high level platforms and do not connect well with the last eastbound trains from platforms A/B. The last eastbound train from Paddington leaves a few minutes after a train from Heathrow arrives at the upper platform. There simply isn’t enough time to allow passengers to connect. It’s so poorly planned. Why can’t the later trains from Heathrow run beyond Paddington through the central core? And why does the service to Woolwich finish so early compared to the Shenfield branch? The last trains could at least run to Woolwich. Could it be the Shenfield branch had those times from National Rail. The Abbey Wood, seems to be more tube based, on timings. Also it may also be down to where the train has to be parked.
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Post by busman on May 22, 2023 8:44:06 GMT
The late night timetable from Heathrow really needs improving. Late night trains from Heathrow only go as far as Paddington high level platforms and do not connect well with the last eastbound trains from platforms A/B. The last eastbound train from Paddington leaves a few minutes after a train from Heathrow arrives at the upper platform. There simply isn’t enough time to allow passengers to connect. It’s so poorly planned. Why can’t the later trains from Heathrow run beyond Paddington through the central core? And why does the service to Woolwich finish so early compared to the Shenfield branch? The last trains could at least run to Woolwich. Could it be the Shenfield branch had those times from National Rail. The Abbey Wood, seems to be more tube based, on timings. Also it may also be down to where the train has to be parked. If that is correct, it is yet another case of operational convenience trumping passenger convenience. Happens far too often with UK public transport. The tail shouldn’t wag the dog, but it is what it is. The reality is that the Elizabeth line changes nothing for Heathrow passengers arriving on the last few flights or for late shift airport workers travelling east of Paddington.
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 22, 2023 9:47:11 GMT
Could it be the Shenfield branch had those times from National Rail. The Abbey Wood, seems to be more tube based, on timings. Also it may also be down to where the train has to be parked. If that is correct, it is yet another case of operational convenience trumping passenger convenience. Happens far too often with UK public transport. The tail shouldn’t wag the dog, but it is what it is. The reality is that the Elizabeth line changes nothing for Heathrow passengers arriving on the last few flights or for late shift airport workers travelling east of Paddington. It also has no benefit from anyone travelling there from the East. You would expect the first train on the Shenfield branch to go to the airport, but it does not. These are classic examples of telling people to use public transport, but it is only for your typical 9-5 person.
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Post by ThinLizzy on May 22, 2023 13:11:05 GMT
Could it be the Shenfield branch had those times from National Rail. The Abbey Wood, seems to be more tube based, on timings. Also it may also be down to where the train has to be parked. If that is correct, it is yet another case of operational convenience trumping passenger convenience. Happens far too often with UK public transport. The tail shouldn’t wag the dog, but it is what it is. The reality is that the Elizabeth line changes nothing for Heathrow passengers arriving on the last few flights or for late shift airport workers travelling east of Paddington. there needs to be a balance between providing a service and allowing overnight access for track workers, and to be honest, the service has to finish at some point at night. Perhaps the last two trains could be swapped round, but that could have a knock-on effect on the GEML, particularly with trains returning to Ilford Depot and the pathing of freight trains on the Up Electric lines.
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 23, 2023 9:08:39 GMT
If that is correct, it is yet another case of operational convenience trumping passenger convenience. Happens far too often with UK public transport. The tail shouldn’t wag the dog, but it is what it is. The reality is that the Elizabeth line changes nothing for Heathrow passengers arriving on the last few flights or for late shift airport workers travelling east of Paddington. there needs to be a balance between providing a service and allowing overnight access for track workers, and to be honest, the service has to finish at some point at night. Perhaps the last two trains could be swapped round, but that could have a knock-on effect on the GEML, particularly with trains returning to Ilford Depot and the pathing of freight trains on the Up Electric lines. All sort of trains returning to Ilford causes 2-3 min delays at times to the Elizabeth line in the evening, evident when you hit Ilford and then are on a very slow until you hit the depot, then back to normal speed.
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Post by ThinLizzy on May 23, 2023 9:38:32 GMT
there needs to be a balance between providing a service and allowing overnight access for track workers, and to be honest, the service has to finish at some point at night. Perhaps the last two trains could be swapped round, but that could have a knock-on effect on the GEML, particularly with trains returning to Ilford Depot and the pathing of freight trains on the Up Electric lines. All sort of trains returning to Ilford causes 2-3 min delays at times to the Elizabeth line in the evening, evident when you hit Ilford and then are on a very slow until you hit the depot, then back to normal speed. absolutely, even if the last two trains were swapped round to allow a connection, the delays could be made worse. I guess it's a shame there's not more sidings on the LO lines other than Chingford (not sure of any others) to stable trains over night.
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