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Post by WH241 on Jun 28, 2023 21:25:46 GMT
Yes but it’s a long schlep The lack of interchange with Piccadilly / Victoria l/ vakeelon is an oversight (although with bakerloo the jubilee / northern can be an alternative) The issue even at the interchange points is that the walks are phenomenally long. Look at Bond Street as an example. Even woolwich is located away from the town centre in one corner Perhaps it would be better if they removed Bond Street and had the stop at Green Park instead. This would connect to the Victoria and Piccadilly lines. Personally I find Custom House to be a weird destination to have on the Elizabeth line. There isn't really anything there and the only purpose it serves is to ferry commuters from there into central London Its important as it provides much improved links for Excel! Also links to City Airport via short bus ride! It is no less weird than Woolwich. As for nothing being there that’s actually funny and you clearly don’t live in the area! I am within walking distance and the amount of change in the last few years is amazing. I would understand such a statement when the Silverlink station closed in 2006 but not in the last 20 years!!
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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 28, 2023 22:41:27 GMT
Perhaps it would be better if they removed Bond Street and had the stop at Green Park instead. This would connect to the Victoria and Piccadilly lines. Personally I find Custom House to be a weird destination to have on the Elizabeth line. There isn't really anything there and the only purpose it serves is to ferry commuters from there into central London Its important as it provides much improved links for Excel! Also links to City Airport via short bus ride! It is no less weird than Woolwich. As for nothing being there that’s actually funny and you clearly don’t live in the area! I am within walking distance and the amount of change in the last few years is amazing. I would understand such a statement when the Silverlink station closed in 2006 but not in the last 20 years!! I find it funny that you're comparing Custom House to Woolwich! Woolwich is a big transport hub in the borough of Greenwich where a lot of buses interconnect from SE London. I'd say it's the biggest town in Greenwich borough. There's also several road links across SE London like the South Circular. As for City Airport surely it would be better to have the Elizabeth line station there as it would be a much quicker journey from central London than the current arrangements. I'm not sure many people want to add another £1.75 onto their journey by taking a bus to the airport
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 29, 2023 8:17:36 GMT
Yes but it’s a long schlep The lack of interchange with Piccadilly / Victoria l/ vakeelon is an oversight (although with bakerloo the jubilee / northern can be an alternative) The issue even at the interchange points is that the walks are phenomenally long. Look at Bond Street as an example. Even woolwich is located away from the town centre in one corner Perhaps it would be better if they removed Bond Street and had the stop at Green Park instead. This would connect to the Victoria and Piccadilly lines. Personally I find Custom House to be a weird destination to have on the Elizabeth line. There isn't really anything there and the only purpose it serves is to ferry commuters from there into central London Green Park would have been a significant diversion and would have pushed the cost of construction up considerably. The purpose of Bond Street was deliberately to draw people away from Oxford Circus which was struggling to cope with demand. Custom House is a useful interchange with DLR and local buses, and comes into its own when there are large events at ExCel bringing thousands into the area.
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Post by rif153 on Jun 29, 2023 8:35:19 GMT
Its important as it provides much improved links for Excel! Also links to City Airport via short bus ride! It is no less weird than Woolwich. As for nothing being there that’s actually funny and you clearly don’t live in the area! I am within walking distance and the amount of change in the last few years is amazing. I would understand such a statement when the Silverlink station closed in 2006 but not in the last 20 years!! I find it funny that you're comparing Custom House to Woolwich! Woolwich is a big transport hub in the borough of Greenwich where a lot of buses interconnect from SE London. I'd say it's the biggest town in Greenwich borough. There's also several road links across SE London like the South Circular. As for City Airport surely it would be better to have the Elizabeth line station there as it would be a much quicker journey from central London than the current arrangements. I'm not sure many people want to add another £1.75 onto their journey by taking a bus to the airport Its so frustrating that there's no Elizabeth line station at City Airport, even more annoying that its two changes or an out of station interchange at Woolwich which involves doubling back from the west to get on the right DLR branch. Probably my best option from the west would be Liz line to Stratford then DLR down to City.
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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 29, 2023 8:45:08 GMT
Perhaps it would be better if they removed Bond Street and had the stop at Green Park instead. This would connect to the Victoria and Piccadilly lines. Personally I find Custom House to be a weird destination to have on the Elizabeth line. There isn't really anything there and the only purpose it serves is to ferry commuters from there into central London Green Park would have been a significant diversion and would have pushed the cost of construction up considerably. The purpose of Bond Street was deliberately to draw people away from Oxford Circus which was struggling to cope with demand. Custom House is a useful interchange with DLR and local buses, and comes into its own when there are large events at ExCel bringing thousands into the area. The thing is that you can't connect to every line realistically. Oxford Circus is technically OSI with Bond Street so you can say that the Elizabeth line connects with the Victoria line. That only leaves the Piccadilly line. Wonder how viable it would have been to do the same with TCR - move the station further east and have an OSI with Holborn. I don't think that having the Elizabeth line calling at Holborn but not TCR would have been that popular, the Northern line is basically two lines so if you miss out TCR you're essentially missing out a whole line.
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 29, 2023 8:45:43 GMT
I find it funny that you're comparing Custom House to Woolwich! Woolwich is a big transport hub in the borough of Greenwich where a lot of buses interconnect from SE London. I'd say it's the biggest town in Greenwich borough. There's also several road links across SE London like the South Circular. As for City Airport surely it would be better to have the Elizabeth line station there as it would be a much quicker journey from central London than the current arrangements. I'm not sure many people want to add another £1.75 onto their journey by taking a bus to the airport Its so frustrating that there's no Elizabeth line station at City Airport, even more annoying that its two changes or an out of station interchange at Woolwich which involves doubling back from the west to get on the right DLR branch. Probably my best option from the west would be Liz line to Stratford then DLR down to City. The extra cost of sending the Crossrail route past City Airport, as opposed to reusing the existing railway formation through Silvertown, would have been considerable and I don't think the Airport would generate sufficient custom to justify the expense. City Airport has the DLR and that is quite sufficient for its needs.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 29, 2023 8:55:16 GMT
Its important as it provides much improved links for Excel! Also links to City Airport via short bus ride! It is no less weird than Woolwich. As for nothing being there that’s actually funny and you clearly don’t live in the area! I am within walking distance and the amount of change in the last few years is amazing. I would understand such a statement when the Silverlink station closed in 2006 but not in the last 20 years!! I find it funny that you're comparing Custom House to Woolwich! Woolwich is a big transport hub in the borough of Greenwich where a lot of buses interconnect from SE London. I'd say it's the biggest town in Greenwich borough. There's also several road links across SE London like the South Circular. As for City Airport surely it would be better to have the Elizabeth line station there as it would be a much quicker journey from central London than the current arrangements. I'm not sure many people want to add another £1.75 onto their journey by taking a bus to the airport Likewise I find it funny you are ignoring the benefits of Custom House! As others have said it was not practical to build the station at City Airport! As for the £1.75 most passengers using City Airport are or used to be business customers so probably arrive by Black Cab and Uber. I would suggest going to look at how busy Custom House station is no matter the time of day! It is certainly better use here at City Airport IMO. The line was closed this morning and the amount of people exiting the station was intense! This feels like another east London shouldn’t get anything nice bias when you try comparing it to Greenwich.
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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 29, 2023 10:09:55 GMT
I find it funny that you're comparing Custom House to Woolwich! Woolwich is a big transport hub in the borough of Greenwich where a lot of buses interconnect from SE London. I'd say it's the biggest town in Greenwich borough. There's also several road links across SE London like the South Circular. As for City Airport surely it would be better to have the Elizabeth line station there as it would be a much quicker journey from central London than the current arrangements. I'm not sure many people want to add another £1.75 onto their journey by taking a bus to the airport Likewise I find it funny you are ignoring the benefits of Custom House! As others have said it was not practical to build the station at City Airport! As for the £1.75 most passengers using City Airport are or used to be business customers so probably arrive by Black Cab and Uber. I would suggest going to look at how busy Custom House station is no matter the time of day! It is certainly better use here at City Airport IMO. The line was closed this morning and the amount of people exiting the station was intense! This feels like another east London shouldn’t get anything nice bias when you try comparing it to Greenwich. It still doesn't strike me as a place that people would really go to visit. Yes people live there and commute to central London and beyond but apart from that I think that people mostly come from elsewhere in the borough. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though. It just doesn't strike me as an attraction like Stratford is, where you've got several trains, the Olympic Park and Westfield.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 29, 2023 10:27:05 GMT
Likewise I find it funny you are ignoring the benefits of Custom House! As others have said it was not practical to build the station at City Airport! As for the £1.75 most passengers using City Airport are or used to be business customers so probably arrive by Black Cab and Uber. I would suggest going to look at how busy Custom House station is no matter the time of day! It is certainly better use here at City Airport IMO. The line was closed this morning and the amount of people exiting the station was intense! This feels like another east London shouldn’t get anything nice bias when you try comparing it to Greenwich. It still doesn't strike me as a place that people would really go to visit. Yes people live there and commute to central London and beyond but apart from that I think that people mostly come from elsewhere in the borough. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though. It just doesn't strike me as an attraction like Stratford is, where you've got several trains, the Olympic Park and Westfield. That's a ridiculous way of looking at it. Not all stations have to be somewhere that people visit. I don't think people are ones to visit Hanwell, Maidenhead etc but people use these stations as I live there. Although that said, the Excel centre is literally right next to the station where events take place all the time. Its only if the biggest exhibition centres in the country and thousands of people visit it.
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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 29, 2023 10:52:47 GMT
It still doesn't strike me as a place that people would really go to visit. Yes people live there and commute to central London and beyond but apart from that I think that people mostly come from elsewhere in the borough. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though. It just doesn't strike me as an attraction like Stratford is, where you've got several trains, the Olympic Park and Westfield. That's a ridiculous way of looking at it. Not all stations have to be somewhere that people visit. I don't think people are ones to visit Hanwell, Maidenhead etc but people use these stations as I live there. Although that said, the Excel centre is literally right next to the station where events take place all the time. Its only if the biggest exhibition centres in the country and thousands of people visit it. Those stations you mentioned were already part of the existing GWR mainline, as are the eastern stations like Forest Gate, ilford being part of Greater Anglia's mainline. Besides quite a lot of trains skip Hanwell. With the Abbey Wood branch I think it should be a bit more express and should only stop in places where there should be a station.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 29, 2023 10:54:58 GMT
That's a ridiculous way of looking at it. Not all stations have to be somewhere that people visit. I don't think people are ones to visit Hanwell, Maidenhead etc but people use these stations as I live there. Although that said, the Excel centre is literally right next to the station where events take place all the time. Its only if the biggest exhibition centres in the country and thousands of people visit it. Those stations you mentioned were already part of the existing GWR mainline, as are the eastern stations like Forest Gate, ilford being part of Greater Anglia's mainline. Besides quite a lot of trains skip Hanwell. With the Abbey Wood branch I think it should be a bit more express and should only stop in places where there should be a station. So you just want it to pass by one of the country's biggest exhibition centres? What exactly is the issue with a stop at Custom House? It's an area with a lot of housing, and even more coming up with plenty of bus links to nearby areas.
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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 29, 2023 10:59:24 GMT
Those stations you mentioned were already part of the existing GWR mainline, as are the eastern stations like Forest Gate, ilford being part of Greater Anglia's mainline. Besides quite a lot of trains skip Hanwell. With the Abbey Wood branch I think it should be a bit more express and should only stop in places where there should be a station. So you just want it to pass by one of the country's biggest exhibition centres? What exactly is the issue with a stop at Custom House? It's an area with a lot of housing, and even more coming up with plenty of bus links to nearby areas. I've been to Custom House a few times and I've not found anything interesting there. As I said in a previous post that London City Airport would be better for travellers as they wouldn't need to take a bus or a cab from Custom House. Custom House is not even on the same DLR branch as London City Airport. You might as well get a DLR from there to central London and change to continue your journey. As for your previous post there are interesting places to go in Hanwell and Maidenhead more so. Maidenhead is a big town in that part of Berkshire so of course they're not going to skip it.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 29, 2023 11:00:16 GMT
Those stations you mentioned were already part of the existing GWR mainline, as are the eastern stations like Forest Gate, ilford being part of Greater Anglia's mainline. Besides quite a lot of trains skip Hanwell. With the Abbey Wood branch I think it should be a bit more express and should only stop in places where there should be a station. So you just want it to pass by one of the country's biggest exhibition centres? What exactly is the issue with a stop at Custom House? It's an area with a lot of housing, and even more coming up with plenty of bus links to nearby areas. Exactly! It it pretty much express after Canary Wharf to Abbey Wood! Custom Hourse doesn’t exactly slow things down. I am really struggling to see what NorthLondon83 point is! The interchange has been a huge success at Custom House bring in new links to central London and a interchange onto the DLR.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 29, 2023 11:27:44 GMT
So you just want it to pass by one of the country's biggest exhibition centres? What exactly is the issue with a stop at Custom House? It's an area with a lot of housing, and even more coming up with plenty of bus links to nearby areas. I've been to Custom House a few times and I've not found anything interesting there. As I said in a previous post that London City Airport would be better for travellers as they wouldn't need to take a bus or a cab from Custom House. Custom House is not even on the same DLR branch as London City Airport. You might as well get a DLR from there to central London and change to continue your journey. As for your previous post there are interesting places to go in Hanwell and Maidenhead more so. Maidenhead is a big town in that part of Berkshire so of course they're not going to skip it. What on earth are you on about nothing interesting there? What’s that got to do with anything? You must have missed the huge Excel Centre, the redevelopment of the docks and the thousands of flats that have been built since 2000. No idea why you keep using the City Airport argument as it’s not exactly a busy airport compared to others in London! Sorry to say this but sometimes it feels like you are trying to be controversial for no real good reason. The station is built and going anywhere and the same with City Airport not getting a station on the line.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 29, 2023 11:28:44 GMT
So you just want it to pass by one of the country's biggest exhibition centres? What exactly is the issue with a stop at Custom House? It's an area with a lot of housing, and even more coming up with plenty of bus links to nearby areas. I've been to Custom House a few times and I've not found anything interesting there. As I said in a previous post that London City Airport would be better for travellers as they wouldn't need to take a bus or a cab from Custom House. Custom House is not even on the same DLR branch as London City Airport. You might as well get a DLR from there to central London and change to continue your journey. As for your previous post there are interesting places to go in Hanwell and Maidenhead more so. Maidenhead is a big town in that part of Berkshire so of course they're not going to skip it. Likewise there are plenty of interesting places to go at Custom House! The Cable car is there, Thames Barrier Park, the Excel centre with its array of food outlets. You are totally out of touch with reality if you think there's nothing at Custom House and there's nothing to do there when the station was literally built to deal with swathes of people for a reason. LCY isn't suitable as a stop on the line, and would be far more desolate than Custom House is with the lack of flights from there. The DLR manages.
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