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Post by busoccultation on Jun 29, 2023 11:40:51 GMT
So you just want it to pass by one of the country's biggest exhibition centres? What exactly is the issue with a stop at Custom House? It's an area with a lot of housing, and even more coming up with plenty of bus links to nearby areas. I've been to Custom House a few times and I've not found anything interesting there. As I said in a previous post that London City Airport would be better for travellers as they wouldn't need to take a bus or a cab from Custom House. Custom House is not even on the same DLR branch as London City Airport. You might as well get a DLR from there to central London and change to continue your journey. As for your previous post there are interesting places to go in Hanwell and Maidenhead more so. Maidenhead is a big town in that part of Berkshire so of course they're not going to skip it. As others have said Custom House is already a major destination in its own right for having the ExCeL exhibition centre and not even to mention the already large amount of housing in the nearby area including the areas that now can be reached by a direct bus to/from Custom House.
You need to see how busy the nearby tube stations such as Stratford, Upton Park and East Ham are during the peak hours. Having Custom House as a stop helps to relieve congestion at those tube stations and providing a quicker train ride into Central London as well.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jun 29, 2023 12:53:18 GMT
Those stations you mentioned were already part of the existing GWR mainline, as are the eastern stations like Forest Gate, ilford being part of Greater Anglia's mainline. Besides quite a lot of trains skip Hanwell. With the Abbey Wood branch I think it should be a bit more express and should only stop in places where there should be a station. So you just want it to pass by one of the country's biggest exhibition centres? What exactly is the issue with a stop at Custom House? It's an area with a lot of housing, and even more coming up with plenty of bus links to nearby areas. Considering ExCeL is being extended there really needs to be an Elizabeth Line station there. During some of the biggest events at ExCeL (like World Travel Market week) DLR would have to run ammended timetables to provide additional capacity on the Beckton route. The Elizabeth line provides that additional capacity that has been needed at Custom House for years.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 29, 2023 13:00:45 GMT
I've been to Custom House a few times and I've not found anything interesting there. As I said in a previous post that London City Airport would be better for travellers as they wouldn't need to take a bus or a cab from Custom House. Custom House is not even on the same DLR branch as London City Airport. You might as well get a DLR from there to central London and change to continue your journey. As for your previous post there are interesting places to go in Hanwell and Maidenhead more so. Maidenhead is a big town in that part of Berkshire so of course they're not going to skip it. Likewise there are plenty of interesting places to go at Custom House! The Cable car is there, Thames Barrier Park, the Excel centre with its array of food outlets. You are totally out of touch with reality if you think there's nothing at Custom House and there's nothing to do there when the station was literally built to deal with swathes of people for a reason. LCY isn't suitable as a stop on the line, and would be far more desolate than Custom House is with the lack of flights from there. The DLR manages. Surely one of main purpose for the Elizabeth Line anyway is for commuters, there isn't a need for each station to have attractions nearby. Clearly a priority was for the line to serve Canary Wharf, and to avoid duplicating the Jubilee Line, Custom House is a logical option for the next stop. In theory you could have a station slightly to the south of the airport, which I would suggest if London City was a more major airport. But passengers would likely still prefer to take the DLR from directly outside the airport, and of course have the option to change to the Elizabeth Line at Woolwich or Poplar.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jun 29, 2023 13:03:22 GMT
Likewise there are plenty of interesting places to go at Custom House! The Cable car is there, Thames Barrier Park, the Excel centre with its array of food outlets. You are totally out of touch with reality if you think there's nothing at Custom House and there's nothing to do there when the station was literally built to deal with swathes of people for a reason. LCY isn't suitable as a stop on the line, and would be far more desolate than Custom House is with the lack of flights from there. The DLR manages. Surely one of main purpose for the Elizabeth Line anyway is for commuters, there isn't a need for each station to have attractions nearby. Clearly a priority was for the line to serve Canary Wharf, and to avoid duplicating the Jubilee Line, Custom House is a logical option for the next stop. In theory you could have a station slightly to the south of the airport, which I would suggest if London City was a more major airport. But passengers would likely still prefer to take the DLR from directly outside the airport, and of course have the option to change to the Elizabeth Line at Woolwich or Poplar. Having flown in/out of City Airport a few times it's not the busiest of airports, certainly not busy enough to justify the expense of building a station on the Elizabeth line there.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 29, 2023 14:05:01 GMT
So you just want it to pass by one of the country's biggest exhibition centres? What exactly is the issue with a stop at Custom House? It's an area with a lot of housing, and even more coming up with plenty of bus links to nearby areas. Considering ExCeL is being extended there really needs to be an Elizabeth Line station there. During some of the biggest events at ExCeL (like World Travel Market week) DLR would have to run ammended timetables to provide additional capacity on the Beckton route. The Elizabeth line provides that additional capacity that has been needed at Custom House for years. The Star Wars event at ExCeL was similar (I wasn't going there, I was heading for Prince Regent for B9TL's ) - very busy on the DLR & Elizabeth line so I can definitely see the benefits of having a station there
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Post by redbus on Jun 29, 2023 14:06:15 GMT
Not having an interchange with the Victoria line seems like a massive oversight, means its two changes to Victoria from anywhere on the Liz line unless you fancy trundling round the Circle line - which isn't worth it. For me its a glaring gap which Crossrail 2 is desparately needed to close. I've not tried all the possible interchanges in the core but the length of the walks at Bond Street to the Jubilee and Liverpool Street to Moorgate Northern line are so offputting. Farringdon Thameslink and Paddington Bakerloo are probably the most convenient ones. There is an out of station interchange between the Bond Street Hanover Square exit and Oxford Circus station for users wishing to interchange from the Victoria Line. Sadly this isn't well advertised. It was very deliberate that the Elizabeth line does not stop at Oxford Circus - it simply could not handle the passenger numbers with no realistic way to upgrade it. Next best thing was to have it stop at Bind Street and have the Hanover Square entrance which is pretty close to Oxford Circus.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 29, 2023 14:14:36 GMT
There is an out of station interchange between the Bond Street Hanover Square exit and Oxford Circus station for users wishing to interchange from the Victoria Line. Sadly this isn't well advertised. It was very deliberate that the Elizabeth line does not stop at Oxford Circus - it simply could not handle the passenger numbers with no realistic way to upgrade it. Next best thing was to have it stop at Bind Street and have the Hanover Square entrance which is pretty close to Oxford Circus. I think most of us are aware that Oxford Square is less able to be upgraded to accommodate it but it don't stop us pointing out the flaws all the same especially when the Hanover Square interchange is hardly advertised - I wasn't aware of it so god help any passengers who aren't into transport related stuff.
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Post by borneobus on Jun 29, 2023 14:16:52 GMT
Those stations you mentioned were already part of the existing GWR mainline, as are the eastern stations like Forest Gate, ilford being part of Greater Anglia's mainline. Besides quite a lot of trains skip Hanwell. With the Abbey Wood branch I think it should be a bit more express and should only stop in places where there should be a station. So you just want it to pass by one of the country's biggest exhibition centres? What exactly is the issue with a stop at Custom House? It's an area with a lot of housing, and even more coming up with plenty of bus links to nearby areas. I've never visited the ExCeL but note from their website that they welcome 4 million visitors each year (source www.excel.london/organiser/visitor-experience-intro). Custom House [CUS] station will encourage more visitors to visit (and use public transport) and hopefully more exhibitors to choose London as a venue with all the added benefit to 'UK PLC' that it brings to airlines, airports, hospitality, entertainment etc. "New trains depart from Custom House every few minutes and you can be in the West End in 16 minutes" has to be a selling point.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 29, 2023 14:37:32 GMT
Elizabeth line suspended due to swan on the track
The line was closed this morning and still seems to be the case!
If the problem is at Paddington how can the Shenfield service still run! Seems a bit odd the lines been closed all day. Unless this is a different incident to the closure in the AM peak.
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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 29, 2023 15:27:10 GMT
I've been to Custom House a few times and I've not found anything interesting there. As I said in a previous post that London City Airport would be better for travellers as they wouldn't need to take a bus or a cab from Custom House. Custom House is not even on the same DLR branch as London City Airport. You might as well get a DLR from there to central London and change to continue your journey. As for your previous post there are interesting places to go in Hanwell and Maidenhead more so. Maidenhead is a big town in that part of Berkshire so of course they're not going to skip it. What on earth are you on about nothing interesting there? What’s that got to do with anything? You must have missed the huge Excel Centre, the redevelopment of the docks and the thousands of flats that have been built since 2000. No idea why you keep using the City Airport argument as it’s not exactly a busy airport compared to others in London! Sorry to say this but sometimes it feels like you are trying to be controversial for no real good reason. The station is built and going anywhere and the same with City Airport not getting a station on the line. I'm not an East Londoner unlike yourself so I wouldn't have the same perspective that you do. Also it's a matter of opinion, I can express my opinion if I want to but you seem to disagree with everything I say. If I said the sky is blue you'd probably disagree with me. I've never been to excel as it's not a place I plan to go
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 29, 2023 15:33:37 GMT
What on earth are you on about nothing interesting there? What’s that got to do with anything? You must have missed the huge Excel Centre, the redevelopment of the docks and the thousands of flats that have been built since 2000. No idea why you keep using the City Airport argument as it’s not exactly a busy airport compared to others in London! Sorry to say this but sometimes it feels like you are trying to be controversial for no real good reason. The station is built and going anywhere and the same with City Airport not getting a station on the line. I'm not an East Londoner unlike yourself so I wouldn't have the same perspective that you do. That does not mean you go around telling everyone untrue facts
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jun 29, 2023 15:40:22 GMT
What on earth are you on about nothing interesting there? What’s that got to do with anything? You must have missed the huge Excel Centre, the redevelopment of the docks and the thousands of flats that have been built since 2000. No idea why you keep using the City Airport argument as it’s not exactly a busy airport compared to others in London! Sorry to say this but sometimes it feels like you are trying to be controversial for no real good reason. The station is built and going anywhere and the same with City Airport not getting a station on the line. I'm not an East Londoner unlike yourself so I wouldn't have the same perspective that you do. Also it's a matter of opinion, I can express my opinion if I want to but you seem to disagree with everything I say. If I said the sky is blue you'd probably disagree with me. I've never been to excel as it's not a place I plan to go Of course you are entitled to your own opinion. But opinions can be factually wrong, in this case your opinion is factually WRONG. Others can respond quite rightly with facts, you have to be prepared for that when launching an argument.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 29, 2023 16:08:29 GMT
It was very deliberate that the Elizabeth line does not stop at Oxford Circus - it simply could not handle the passenger numbers with no realistic way to upgrade it. Next best thing was to have it stop at Bind Street and have the Hanover Square entrance which is pretty close to Oxford Circus. I think most of us are aware that Oxford Square is less able to be upgraded to accommodate it but it don't stop us pointing out the flaws all the same especially when the Hanover Square interchange is hardly advertised - I wasn't aware of it so god help any passengers who aren't into transport related stuff. I didn't even know it was there till recently. I assumed I'd I wanted Bond Street I would have to walk down to the main Jubilee/Central line station for the Elizabeth Line as opposed to just down Holles Street to the entrance.
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Post by richard on Jun 29, 2023 16:11:22 GMT
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Post by VPL630 on Jun 29, 2023 16:57:06 GMT
Elizabeth line suspended due to swan on the track The line was closed this morning and still seems to be the case! If the problem is at Paddington how can the Shenfield service still run! Seems a bit odd the lines been closed all day. Unless this is a different incident to the closure in the AM peak. Originally it was closed due to signal failure at TCR, then the swan issue which took them nearly 2 hours to decide to reverse the train back into the tunnel, I also believe there was more than one swan and that one was struck by another train, all in all it’s been another bad day for the EL, the GEML service can pretty much run independent of the core sections due to driver placement and stock location, they will just terminate at Stratford or LST if there is space
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