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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 1, 2023 0:25:25 GMT
So you just want it to pass by one of the country's biggest exhibition centres? What exactly is the issue with a stop at Custom House? It's an area with a lot of housing, and even more coming up with plenty of bus links to nearby areas. Exactly! It it pretty much express after Canary Wharf to Abbey Wood! Custom Hourse doesn’t exactly slow things down. I am really struggling to see what NorthLondon83 point is! The interchange has been a huge success at Custom House bring in new links to central London and a interchange onto the DLR. I have used it to get the DLR to Gallions Reach. The interchange at Custom House is good.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 1, 2023 0:29:38 GMT
Elizabeth line suspended due to swan on the track The line was closed this morning and still seems to be the case! If the problem is at Paddington how can the Shenfield service still run! Seems a bit odd the lines been closed all day. Unless this is a different incident to the closure in the AM peak. This seriously takes the pee. Plain and simple imo a driver milking it. If it was me a would have blown the horn which I am sure it would have pooped it self and moved out of the way, or end up running it over. Yes I like animals and swans but a railway line is no place to just be swanning about.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 1, 2023 0:30:09 GMT
I'm not an East Londoner unlike yourself so I wouldn't have the same perspective that you do. That does not mean you go around telling everyone untrue facts BAHAHAHAHAHA, Joke of the week, that is rich coming from you.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 1, 2023 5:41:41 GMT
Elizabeth line suspended due to swan on the track The line was closed this morning and still seems to be the case! If the problem is at Paddington how can the Shenfield service still run! Seems a bit odd the lines been closed all day. Unless this is a different incident to the closure in the AM peak. This seriously takes the pee. Plain and simple imo a driver milking it. If it was me a would have blown the horn which I am sure it would have pooped it self and moved out of the way, or end up running it over. Yes I like animals and swans but a railway line is no place to just be swanning about. Apparently blasting horns has been tried in similar railway incidents and the swans have stubbornly refused to move.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jul 1, 2023 10:35:02 GMT
Elizabeth line suspended due to swan on the track The line was closed this morning and still seems to be the case! If the problem is at Paddington how can the Shenfield service still run! Seems a bit odd the lines been closed all day. Unless this is a different incident to the closure in the AM peak. This seriously takes the pee. Plain and simple imo a driver milking it. If it was me a would have blown the horn which I am sure it would have pooped it self and moved out of the way, or end up running it over. Yes I like animals and swans but a railway line is no place to just be swanning about. not the driver milking it, I wouldn't want to run over an animal on the tracks if I could avoid it, I'm sure you would be the same when you was driving a bus. The company would also have rules around operations following reports of animals on the line- I haven't really read much of the Network Rail rule book but the railway I work on certainly has rules and procedures in place. There have also been instances in the past when members of the public have gone trackside to help recover a lost animal whilst trains are running, which could create further issues. Again, this is one of the reasons why rules are put in place in this situation Similarly, bulkier animals (including swans and people) can cause damage to some equipment underneath trains. There was one a few years ago (swan) on the DLR at South Quay that refused to move. Likewise, depending on the location of the animal, don't feel it would be right to run over an animal that is close or within the station area in front of customers
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 1, 2023 11:32:18 GMT
This seriously takes the pee. Plain and simple imo a driver milking it. If it was me a would have blown the horn which I am sure it would have pooped it self and moved out of the way, or end up running it over. Yes I like animals and swans but a railway line is no place to just be swanning about. not the driver milking it, I wouldn't want to run over an animal on the tracks if I could avoid it, I'm sure you would be the same when you was driving a bus. The company would also have rules around operations following reports of animals on the line- I haven't really read much of the Network Rail rule book but the railway I work on certainly has rules and procedures in place. There have also been instances in the past when members of the public have gone trackside to help recover a lost animal whilst trains are running, which could create further issues. Again, this is one of the reasons why rules are put in place in this situation Similarly, bulkier animals (including swans and people) can cause damage to some equipment underneath trains. There was one a few years ago (swan) on the DLR at South Quay that refused to move. Likewise, depending on the location of the animal, don't feel it would be right to run over an animal that is close or within the station area in front of customers I think Swans are also a bit different as killing them is a criminal offence. They also don't have any ability to leave tracks as they can only start to fly from a body of water, so the swan wouldn't actually be able to go anywhere.
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Post by rif153 on Jul 1, 2023 15:15:44 GMT
I've interchanged at Farringdon, Moorgate, Liverpool Street and Whitechapel before. All were incredibly long and took over 5 minutes between lines That is the biggest downside of the crossrail, they are extremely far from other lines in stations. Liverpool St is very far from mainline and other Underground lines. The connection at Moorgate between the Northern line and Elizabeth line is a 3 minute walk. I once run the length of it non stop to get a train and it took literally 1 minute to run. Changing from the Central line at TCR and to/from the sub surface lines at Farringdon the signs send you out of one set of ticket barriers then back in another which seems totally ridiculous and counterintuitive. If you go up to the ticket hall and back down at TCR it takes ages rather than going via the Northern line platforms. Similarly at Farringdon I use the northbound Thameslink platform to get from the sub surface lines to Crossrail.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 1, 2023 15:22:27 GMT
That is the biggest downside of the crossrail, they are extremely far from other lines in stations. Liverpool St is very far from mainline and other Underground lines. The connection at Moorgate between the Northern line and Elizabeth line is a 3 minute walk. I once run the length of it non stop to get a train and it took literally 1 minute to run. Changing from the Central line at TCR and to/from the sub surface lines at Farringdon the signs send you out of one set of ticket barriers then back in another which seems totally ridiculously and counterintuitive. If you go up to the ticket hall and back down at TCR it takes ages rather than going via the Northern line platforms. Similarly at Farringdon I use the northbound Thameslink platform to get from the sub surface lines to Crossrail. Yeah, the Farringdon interchange from Thameslink to Elizabeth line seems more thought out compared to the others - Tottenham Court Road one is a joke, after doing it, I've refused to change there since.
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Post by northlondon83 on Jul 1, 2023 16:05:53 GMT
Changing from the Central line at TCR and to/from the sub surface lines at Farringdon the signs send you out of one set of ticket barriers then back in another which seems totally ridiculously and counterintuitive. If you go up to the ticket hall and back down at TCR it takes ages rather than going via the Northern line platforms. Similarly at Farringdon I use the northbound Thameslink platform to get from the sub surface lines to Crossrail. Yeah, the Farringdon interchange from Thameslink to Elizabeth line seems more thought out compared to the others - Tottenham Court Road one is a joke, after doing it, I've refused to change there since. Although not strictly Elizabeth line, the worst interchange in my opinion is Green Park. Everywhere takes so long to walk!
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Post by ronnie on Jul 1, 2023 20:05:40 GMT
Yeah, the Farringdon interchange from Thameslink to Elizabeth line seems more thought out compared to the others - Tottenham Court Road one is a joke, after doing it, I've refused to change there since. Although not strictly Elizabeth line, the worst interchange in my opinion is Green Park. Everywhere takes so long to walk! I use it every day. It’s a downright pain Actually the easiest is to just go the exit concourse and back down again, that cuts down greatly on the walking vs the signposted way! Overall Elizabeth line is great (can’t complain!) but the interchanges are loooong. For me North Greenwich always wins over woolwich (zone 2 va zone 4, longer bus ride) plus to get to anywhere on the picc line will have to change twice which eliminates any potential time saving otherwise
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Post by vjaska on Jul 1, 2023 20:23:05 GMT
Although not strictly Elizabeth line, the worst interchange in my opinion is Green Park. Everywhere takes so long to walk! I use it every day. It’s a downright pain Actually the easiest is to just go the exit concourse and back down again, that cuts down greatly on the walking vs the signposted way! Overall Elizabeth line is great (can’t complain!) but the interchanges are loooong. For me North Greenwich always wins over woolwich (zone 2 va zone 4, longer bus ride) plus to get to anywhere on the picc line will have to change twice which eliminates any potential time saving otherwise Green Park is another pain as you say though I think it's bearable compared to Crossrail - thanks for the tip regarding ignoring the signs, I'll try that one next time. The Elizabeth line is brilliant but like you, some of the distances when changing at some stations is excessive
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Post by rif153 on Jul 1, 2023 21:43:48 GMT
Yeah, the Farringdon interchange from Thameslink to Elizabeth line seems more thought out compared to the others - Tottenham Court Road one is a joke, after doing it, I've refused to change there since. Although not strictly Elizabeth line, the worst interchange in my opinion is Green Park. Everywhere takes so long to walk! I find the Piccadilly to Victoria line change bearable by ignoring the sings to save a bit of time but maybe that's just because of how horrendously long the walk to the Jubilee line is.
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Post by WH241 on Jul 1, 2023 22:24:32 GMT
Interchanges are always going to be longer on the Elizabeth Line because of how deep it was built. Personally don’t think they are that bad and pretty similar to some Underground changes.
People might know short cuts but not really practical to send masses of passengers those ways.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 1, 2023 22:57:47 GMT
Interchanges are always going to be longer on the Elizabeth Line because of how deep it was built. Personally don’t think they are that bad and pretty similar to some Underground changes. People might know short cuts but not really practical to send masses of passengers those ways. I think it does a bit of weaving in and out in the West End, it passes above the Northern at Tottenham Court Road and is pretty much level with the Central Line there which is probably why you need to come up and down again. Liverpool Street seems like a long walk, however the station itself is at Moorgate and is a far shorter walk from the SSR platforms there, from Moorgate street level it's pretty much straight down. It depends where people come from and where people are going to be going.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 1, 2023 22:58:27 GMT
Yeah, the Farringdon interchange from Thameslink to Elizabeth line seems more thought out compared to the others - Tottenham Court Road one is a joke, after doing it, I've refused to change there since. Although not strictly Elizabeth line, the worst interchange in my opinion is Green Park. Everywhere takes so long to walk! Unless you're doing the Victoria to Jubilee interchange where it's just up some stairs and then down an escalator. It's the Piccadilly Line that's a bit far from everything else.
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