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Post by yunus on Jul 1, 2023 23:07:00 GMT
I just think the Elizabeth Line is fantastic. I love how handy it is and has taken pressure of other lines e.g Central.
I rarely take the bus in Central London anymore so it is either the Elizabeth, Central or Victoria lines.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 2, 2023 0:14:06 GMT
This seriously takes the pee. Plain and simple imo a driver milking it. If it was me a would have blown the horn which I am sure it would have pooped it self and moved out of the way, or end up running it over. Yes I like animals and swans but a railway line is no place to just be swanning about. not the driver milking it, I wouldn't want to run over an animal on the tracks if I could avoid it, I'm sure you would be the same when you was driving a bus. The company would also have rules around operations following reports of animals on the line- I haven't really read much of the Network Rail rule book but the railway I work on certainly has rules and procedures in place. There have also been instances in the past when members of the public have gone trackside to help recover a lost animal whilst trains are running, which could create further issues. Again, this is one of the reasons why rules are put in place in this situation Similarly, bulkier animals (including swans and people) can cause damage to some equipment underneath trains. There was one a few years ago (swan) on the DLR at South Quay that refused to move. Likewise, depending on the location of the animal, don't feel it would be right to run over an animal that is close or within the station area in front of customers Someone should have thrown some food its way
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 2, 2023 0:22:31 GMT
Interchanges are always going to be longer on the Elizabeth Line because of how deep it was built. Personally don’t think they are that bad and pretty similar to some Underground changes. People might know short cuts but not really practical to send masses of passengers those ways. It is not always that deep. There are other Underground lines that go deeper than that at various parts of the network and does not have poor interchanges.
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 19, 2023 13:29:23 GMT
TfL has released some more Elizabeth Line statistics, ahead of an Elizabeth Line Committee meeting next week. Although passenger numbers are not meeting pre-pandemic projections (the "business-as-usual" scenario), they are exceeding the most optimistic post-pandemic projections. Just over 150 million passenger journeys were made on the line in its first year of operation. The line is now averaging 3.5 million passenger journeys a week and the busiest week peaked at over 4.1 million. At these figures the line is expected to carry 170 million passenger journeys in its second year and could reach 200 million if post-pandemic recovery continues. Based on Oyster Card/contactless data, there has been a six-fold increase in journeys between Paddington and Tottenham Court Road and a four-fold increase in journeys between Stratford and Paddington. Some of the increase has come at the expense of Underground services; there has been a 40% drop in demand for the Central Line at Ealing Broadway and a 5% reduction in Bakerloo Line journeys between Paddington and Oxford Circus. However TfL believes that 30% of traffic is new, and consists mostly of journeys that would not have been made had the Elizabeth Line not existed. Bus-wise there has been in increase in passenger use on routes feeding into suburban Elizabeth Line stations, although this is partly offset by a decline in bus use around Zone 1 stations [the latter may not solely be down to the Elizabeth Line]. Early analysis is that the Elizabeth Line has had a bigger impact on how people travel than previous infrastucture changes, such as the Jubilee Line Extension, and it is believed this is due to the faster journeys and improved comfort level. This could be significant for future investment - if pound-for-pound a new main-line upgrade produces more benefit than a tube-style one, it is easier to argue for it. TfL is now commissioning Arup to evaluate objectively how the Elizabeth line has changed travel and the economy; initial findings are expected to be reported next Spring with a full report due in 2025. A second evaluation will explore the wider social, economic and environmental impact of the new railway. TfL will review the funding and financing of the Crossrail project to produce an objective and factual report. These reviews will serve not only to learn the lessons from the past, but to demonstrate concrete justification for future rail infrastructure projects. www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/elizabeth-line-passenger-numbers-beating-forecasts-2-64311/
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 19, 2023 14:07:57 GMT
TfL has released some more Elizabeth Line statistics, ahead of an Elizabeth Line Committee meeting next week. Although passenger numbers are not meeting pre-pandemic projections (the "business-as-usual" scenario), they are exceeding the most optimistic post-pandemic projections. Just over 150 million passenger journeys were made on the line in its first year of operation. The line is now averaging 3.5 million passenger journeys a week and the busiest week peaked at over 4.1 million. At these figures the line is expected to carry 170 million passenger journeys in its second year and could reach 200 million if post-pandemic recovery continues. Based on Oyster Card/contactless data, there has been a six-fold increase in journeys between Paddington and Tottenham Court Road and a four-fold increase in journeys between Stratford and Paddington. Some of the increase has come at the expense of Underground services; there has been a 40% drop in demand for the Central Line at Ealing Broadway and a 5% reduction in Bakerloo Line journeys between Paddington and Oxford Circus. However TfL believes that 30% of traffic is new, and consists mostly of journeys that would not have been made had the Elizabeth Line not existed. Bus-wise there has been in increase in passenger use on routes feeding into suburban Elizabeth Line stations, although this is partly offset by a decline in bus use around Zone 1 stations [the latter may not solely be down to the Elizabeth Line]. Early analysis is that the Elizabeth Line has had a bigger impact on how people travel than previous infrastucture changes, such as the Jubilee Line Extension, and it is believed this is due to the faster journeys and improved comfort level. This could be significant for future investment - if pound-for-pound a new main-line upgrade produces more benefit than a tube-style one, it is easier to argue for it. TfL is now commissioning Arup to evaluate objectively how the Elizabeth line has changed travel and the economy; initial findings are expected to be reported next Spring with a full report due in 2025. A second evaluation will explore the wider social, economic and environmental impact of the new railway. TfL will review the funding and financing of the Crossrail project to produce an objective and factual report. These reviews will serve not only to learn the lessons from the past, but to demonstrate concrete justification for future rail infrastructure projects. www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/elizabeth-line-passenger-numbers-beating-forecasts-2-64311/I wonder if this may spur TfL on to believe that Crossrail 2 might be worth it. I personally don’t support CR2 but it would unlock key expansion at Wimbledon which would in turn allow for increases in Tram services and could allow for increases in District Line services.
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 19, 2023 15:39:59 GMT
TfL has released some more Elizabeth Line statistics, ahead of an Elizabeth Line Committee meeting next week. Although passenger numbers are not meeting pre-pandemic projections (the "business-as-usual" scenario), they are exceeding the most optimistic post-pandemic projections. Just over 150 million passenger journeys were made on the line in its first year of operation. The line is now averaging 3.5 million passenger journeys a week and the busiest week peaked at over 4.1 million. At these figures the line is expected to carry 170 million passenger journeys in its second year and could reach 200 million if post-pandemic recovery continues. Based on Oyster Card/contactless data, there has been a six-fold increase in journeys between Paddington and Tottenham Court Road and a four-fold increase in journeys between Stratford and Paddington. Some of the increase has come at the expense of Underground services; there has been a 40% drop in demand for the Central Line at Ealing Broadway and a 5% reduction in Bakerloo Line journeys between Paddington and Oxford Circus. However TfL believes that 30% of traffic is new, and consists mostly of journeys that would not have been made had the Elizabeth Line not existed. Bus-wise there has been in increase in passenger use on routes feeding into suburban Elizabeth Line stations, although this is partly offset by a decline in bus use around Zone 1 stations [the latter may not solely be down to the Elizabeth Line]. Early analysis is that the Elizabeth Line has had a bigger impact on how people travel than previous infrastucture changes, such as the Jubilee Line Extension, and it is believed this is due to the faster journeys and improved comfort level. This could be significant for future investment - if pound-for-pound a new main-line upgrade produces more benefit than a tube-style one, it is easier to argue for it. TfL is now commissioning Arup to evaluate objectively how the Elizabeth line has changed travel and the economy; initial findings are expected to be reported next Spring with a full report due in 2025. A second evaluation will explore the wider social, economic and environmental impact of the new railway. TfL will review the funding and financing of the Crossrail project to produce an objective and factual report. These reviews will serve not only to learn the lessons from the past, but to demonstrate concrete justification for future rail infrastructure projects. www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/elizabeth-line-passenger-numbers-beating-forecasts-2-64311/I wonder if this may spur TfL on to believe that Crossrail 2 might be worth it. I personally don’t support CR2 but it would unlock key expansion at Wimbledon which would in turn allow for increases in Tram services and could allow for increases in District Line services. Indeed, I would not be surprised if TfL and City Hall uses the reports showing statistical evidence of the economic, social and environmental benefits of the Elizabeth Line to build a new case for the construction of Crossrail 2.
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Post by mkay315 on Jul 19, 2023 18:25:08 GMT
I don't know if it's just me or has anyone else noticed how slow the train pulls into Whitechapel if it's coming from Canary Wharf as opposed to it coming from Stratford. When it comes from Stratford it seems a bit faster pulling in.
Why is this the case?
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Post by snowman on Jul 19, 2023 21:07:03 GMT
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 20, 2023 9:10:18 GMT
TfL has released some more Elizabeth Line statistics, ahead of an Elizabeth Line Committee meeting next week. Although passenger numbers are not meeting pre-pandemic projections (the "business-as-usual" scenario), they are exceeding the most optimistic post-pandemic projections. Just over 150 million passenger journeys were made on the line in its first year of operation. The line is now averaging 3.5 million passenger journeys a week and the busiest week peaked at over 4.1 million. At these figures the line is expected to carry 170 million passenger journeys in its second year and could reach 200 million if post-pandemic recovery continues. Based on Oyster Card/contactless data, there has been a six-fold increase in journeys between Paddington and Tottenham Court Road and a four-fold increase in journeys between Stratford and Paddington. Some of the increase has come at the expense of Underground services; there has been a 40% drop in demand for the Central Line at Ealing Broadway and a 5% reduction in Bakerloo Line journeys between Paddington and Oxford Circus. However TfL believes that 30% of traffic is new, and consists mostly of journeys that would not have been made had the Elizabeth Line not existed. Bus-wise there has been in increase in passenger use on routes feeding into suburban Elizabeth Line stations, although this is partly offset by a decline in bus use around Zone 1 stations [the latter may not solely be down to the Elizabeth Line]. Early analysis is that the Elizabeth Line has had a bigger impact on how people travel than previous infrastucture changes, such as the Jubilee Line Extension, and it is believed this is due to the faster journeys and improved comfort level. This could be significant for future investment - if pound-for-pound a new main-line upgrade produces more benefit than a tube-style one, it is easier to argue for it. TfL is now commissioning Arup to evaluate objectively how the Elizabeth line has changed travel and the economy; initial findings are expected to be reported next Spring with a full report due in 2025. A second evaluation will explore the wider social, economic and environmental impact of the new railway. TfL will review the funding and financing of the Crossrail project to produce an objective and factual report. These reviews will serve not only to learn the lessons from the past, but to demonstrate concrete justification for future rail infrastructure projects. www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/elizabeth-line-passenger-numbers-beating-forecasts-2-64311/I very much doubt the improved comfort level with rock hard seats!!! Even a 40 year old car has better seats. The main advantage is the quick journeys, nothing else. Some journeys can actually be quicker, but is not down to long dwell times at stops. I reckon as much as 8 minutes can be trimmed off the journey between Shenfield and Paddington.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jul 20, 2023 9:10:27 GMT
TfL has released some more Elizabeth Line statistics, ahead of an Elizabeth Line Committee meeting next week. Although passenger numbers are not meeting pre-pandemic projections (the "business-as-usual" scenario), they are exceeding the most optimistic post-pandemic projections. Just over 150 million passenger journeys were made on the line in its first year of operation. The line is now averaging 3.5 million passenger journeys a week and the busiest week peaked at over 4.1 million. At these figures the line is expected to carry 170 million passenger journeys in its second year and could reach 200 million if post-pandemic recovery continues. Based on Oyster Card/contactless data, there has been a six-fold increase in journeys between Paddington and Tottenham Court Road and a four-fold increase in journeys between Stratford and Paddington. Some of the increase has come at the expense of Underground services; there has been a 40% drop in demand for the Central Line at Ealing Broadway and a 5% reduction in Bakerloo Line journeys between Paddington and Oxford Circus. However TfL believes that 30% of traffic is new, and consists mostly of journeys that would not have been made had the Elizabeth Line not existed. Bus-wise there has been in increase in passenger use on routes feeding into suburban Elizabeth Line stations, although this is partly offset by a decline in bus use around Zone 1 stations [the latter may not solely be down to the Elizabeth Line]. Early analysis is that the Elizabeth Line has had a bigger impact on how people travel than previous infrastucture changes, such as the Jubilee Line Extension, and it is believed this is due to the faster journeys and improved comfort level. This could be significant for future investment - if pound-for-pound a new main-line upgrade produces more benefit than a tube-style one, it is easier to argue for it. TfL is now commissioning Arup to evaluate objectively how the Elizabeth line has changed travel and the economy; initial findings are expected to be reported next Spring with a full report due in 2025. A second evaluation will explore the wider social, economic and environmental impact of the new railway. TfL will review the funding and financing of the Crossrail project to produce an objective and factual report. These reviews will serve not only to learn the lessons from the past, but to demonstrate concrete justification for future rail infrastructure projects. www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/elizabeth-line-passenger-numbers-beating-forecasts-2-64311/I wonder if this may spur TfL on to believe that Crossrail 2 might be worth it. I personally don’t support CR2 but it would unlock key expansion at Wimbledon which would in turn allow for increases in Tram services and could allow for increases in District Line services. I have heard a rumour on the grapevine that eventually once the Piccadilly Line is increased to 33-36 trains per hour that they will start terminating some of them at Ealing Broadway using the District Line platforms, and then Wimbledon and Richmond terminator services will become 50 50 in terms of service pattern. So the District May already be seeing an increase in frequency down to Wimbledon if that’s true
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jul 20, 2023 9:14:16 GMT
TfL has released some more Elizabeth Line statistics, ahead of an Elizabeth Line Committee meeting next week. Although passenger numbers are not meeting pre-pandemic projections (the "business-as-usual" scenario), they are exceeding the most optimistic post-pandemic projections. Just over 150 million passenger journeys were made on the line in its first year of operation. The line is now averaging 3.5 million passenger journeys a week and the busiest week peaked at over 4.1 million. At these figures the line is expected to carry 170 million passenger journeys in its second year and could reach 200 million if post-pandemic recovery continues. Based on Oyster Card/contactless data, there has been a six-fold increase in journeys between Paddington and Tottenham Court Road and a four-fold increase in journeys between Stratford and Paddington. Some of the increase has come at the expense of Underground services; there has been a 40% drop in demand for the Central Line at Ealing Broadway and a 5% reduction in Bakerloo Line journeys between Paddington and Oxford Circus. However TfL believes that 30% of traffic is new, and consists mostly of journeys that would not have been made had the Elizabeth Line not existed. Bus-wise there has been in increase in passenger use on routes feeding into suburban Elizabeth Line stations, although this is partly offset by a decline in bus use around Zone 1 stations [the latter may not solely be down to the Elizabeth Line]. Early analysis is that the Elizabeth Line has had a bigger impact on how people travel than previous infrastucture changes, such as the Jubilee Line Extension, and it is believed this is due to the faster journeys and improved comfort level. This could be significant for future investment - if pound-for-pound a new main-line upgrade produces more benefit than a tube-style one, it is easier to argue for it. TfL is now commissioning Arup to evaluate objectively how the Elizabeth line has changed travel and the economy; initial findings are expected to be reported next Spring with a full report due in 2025. A second evaluation will explore the wider social, economic and environmental impact of the new railway. TfL will review the funding and financing of the Crossrail project to produce an objective and factual report. These reviews will serve not only to learn the lessons from the past, but to demonstrate concrete justification for future rail infrastructure projects. www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/elizabeth-line-passenger-numbers-beating-forecasts-2-64311/I very much doubt the improved comfort level with rock hard seats!!! Even a 40 year old car has better seats. The main advantage is the quick journeys, nothing else. Some journeys can actually be quicker, but is not down to long dwell times at stops. I reckon as much as 8 minutes can be trimmed off the journey between Shenfield and Paddington. Comfort can be quite subjective, and I would certainly rather use the Elizabeth Line between Tottenham Court Road and Stratford on an air conditioned and quiet 345, even if the seats aren’t what one would consider “comfortable” rather than spend that on the Central Line crammed into a tiny 92 stock and having to endure the hell that is Liverpool Street to Bethnal Green (those who know, know) 😨
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Post by WH241 on Jul 20, 2023 9:14:27 GMT
I wonder if this may spur TfL on to believe that Crossrail 2 might be worth it. I personally don’t support CR2 but it would unlock key expansion at Wimbledon which would in turn allow for increases in Tram services and could allow for increases in District Line services. I have heard a rumour on the grapevine that eventually once the Piccadilly Line is increased to 33-36 trains per hour that they will start terminating some of them at Ealing Broadway using the District Line platforms, and then Wimbledon and Richmond terminator services will become 50 50 in terms of service pattern. So the District May already be seeing an increase in frequency down to Wimbledon if that’s true In addition to terminating at Uxbridge and Heathrow? I assume those other branches would have a reduced frequency?
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jul 20, 2023 9:15:36 GMT
I have heard a rumour on the grapevine that eventually once the Piccadilly Line is increased to 33-36 trains per hour that they will start terminating some of them at Ealing Broadway using the District Line platforms, and then Wimbledon and Richmond terminator services will become 50 50 in terms of service pattern. So the District May already be seeing an increase in frequency down to Wimbledon if that’s true In addition to terminating at Uxbridge and Heathrow? I assume those other branches would have a reduced frequency? I don’t think I said those branches would have a reduced frequency, more referencing the extra 9-12 trains per hour that will be introduced onto the Piccadilly Line and a place to terminate them needs to be found.
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Post by WH241 on Jul 20, 2023 9:19:17 GMT
In addition to terminating at Uxbridge and Heathrow? I assume those other branches would have a reduced frequency? I don’t think I said those branches would have a reduced frequency, more referencing the extra 9-12 trains per hour that will be introduced onto the Piccadilly Line and a place to terminate them needs to be found. I never said you did! I said “I assume” I made the assumption that there wouldn’t be enough trains to cover the three terminals at the same frequency.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jul 20, 2023 9:21:21 GMT
I don’t think I said those branches would have a reduced frequency, more referencing the extra 9-12 trains per hour that will be introduced onto the Piccadilly Line and a place to terminate them needs to be found. I never said you did! I said “I assume” I made the assumption that there wouldn’t be enough trains to cover the three terminals at the same frequency. Trains don’t all terminate at Heathrow or Uxbridge however. Some terminate early at Northfields and Rayners Lane, so it’s a bit like the northern end of the Central Line really terminus wise.
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