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Post by 6HP502C on Jul 14, 2018 12:26:52 GMT
The Rugby Avenue stop in Sudbury not being served by 18/N18 even though every bus passes it. When a 18 or N18 leaves the Sudbury stand to start service, it turns around at the Watford Road roundabout but then skips this stop much to the annoyance of passengers. However, the N18 that starts from Harrow Weald also skips this stop unlike the 182 day counterpart H&S is the short answer to this one. The 18 would exceed the safe capacity of the Rugby Avenue stop. Before Sudbury Town Centre was redeveloped there were two bus stops and the 18 picked up closer to the shops. But the scheme was designed in such a way that parking provision reduced bus stop capacity by the shops. Due to the number of services already serving it and the cage not being all that long, it'd prove problematic to have 18s stopping there. The stop the 18 picks up now was actually moved a few dozen metres west at this point to mitigate the effect though granted it is a bit of a walk from the stops. Unfortunately it's unlikely the 18 will be changed to serve that stop and for consistency the N18 doesn't either. There's a document somewhere in the public domain that mentions this - democracy.brent.gov.uk/documents/s18020/Sudbury%2520Bus%2520Stop%2520Petition.pdf |
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Post by kmkcheng on Jul 14, 2018 12:43:20 GMT
The Rugby Avenue stop in Sudbury not being served by 18/N18 even though every bus passes it. When a 18 or N18 leaves the Sudbury stand to start service, it turns around at the Watford Road roundabout but then skips this stop much to the annoyance of passengers. However, the N18 that starts from Harrow Weald also skips this stop unlike the 182 day counterpart H&S is the short answer to this one. The 18 would exceed the safe capacity of the Rugby Avenue stop. Before Sudbury Town Centre was redeveloped there were two bus stops and the 18 picked up closer to the shops. But the scheme was designed in such a way that parking provision reduced bus stop capacity by the shops. Due to the number of services already serving it and the cage not being all that long, it'd prove problematic to have 18s stopping there. The stop the 18 picks up now was actually moved a few dozen metres west at this point to mitigate the effect though granted it is a bit of a walk from the stops. Unfortunately it's unlikely the 18 will be changed to serve that stop and for consistency the N18 doesn't either. There's a document somewhere in the public domain that mentions this. Thanks for the explanation. I happen to past Sudbury just now and part of the 18 stand is unusable as it’s been coned off due to a hole in the road so some were standing at the first stop opposite so imagine the carnage if they had to serve the Rugby Ave stop |
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Post by 6HP502C on Jul 14, 2018 13:36:27 GMT
Why doesn't the 250 stop at the Fairfield Halls bus stop upon leaving the stand like the 75 does? Honestly, I've no answer to this One that no longer exists as of this year but is again Croydon related - why did the 264 pick up from the Katherine Street stand but the 197 didn't despite terminating in exactly the same stand? I'd hazard a guess that things like this are to do with maintaining the same bus stopping arrangements if the stand is likely to change. |
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Post by busaholic on Jul 14, 2018 14:10:45 GMT
Why do some bus routes leaving Romford Station northbound not serve the next stop at the entrance to whatever the shopping centre is called? The one I was on went sailing past the last time I was there. I'd normally walk that distance but it was hot, I'd been out all day and my leg was beginning to seize up (I walk with a stick these days.) I seem to remember there were two adjacent stops at that location some years ago, but has one of them now gone?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 14, 2018 14:27:15 GMT
Why do some bus routes leaving Romford Station northbound not serve the next stop at the entrance to whatever the shopping centre is called? The one I was on went sailing past the last time I was there. I'd normally walk that distance but it was hot, I'd been out all day and my leg was beginning to seize up (I walk with a stick these days.) I seem to remember there were two adjacent stops at that location some years ago, but has one of them now gone? There is a very complicated system that you get used to if you're local. Westbound Western Road still has two adjacent stops, but the routes which go down Main Road stop at Mercury Gardens as well. The 498 and 499 stop at Western road additionally but as far as I remember the 174 and 370 go past. However there is also an entrance to the Liberty from that Mercury Gardens stop. Eastbound all routes that terminate at Romford Station do not stop at Mercury Gardens while all routes which terminate elsewhere stop. All routes stop at Western Road. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 14:50:03 GMT
For some odd reason, along the Uxbridge Road, routes E2 and E8 miss out random stops. Heading Eastbound, everything stops at Longfield Avenue outside the council, except the E2 and E8 which zoom straight past. The E7 stops here too so it isn't like this is confined to the routes going straight through, avoiding Haven Green. I'm not complaining though, it means I can often make a 207/427 in front as the E2 overtakes! Heading Westbound, the E2 doesn't stop at Northfield Avenue (just before it turns left), whilst the E8 skips the stop after (Dean Gardens / Bedford Road). It just seems a bit random. Another one I don't get is why the 27 has a massive gap between stops, from Chiswick Road to Chiswick Business Park. It skips both Gunnersbury Station (not stopping at a station is something even the 607 doesn't manage) and The Plaza, where I believe new bus stops should've emerged. If Chiswick Park hadn't refused (assuming that's why they haven't been erected), maybe the route would've actually generated some usage and they wouldn't have to cut it! All the route does at the moment is serve a dingy construction site at the back of the Danone quarter, but there are 14 other buildings which would be directly served by other bus stops in the park! I can’t imagine why the E2/8 wouldn’t stop outside Ealing Council towards the Broadway.... other than perhaps TfL don’t want too many routes stopping there. Perhaps the E7 and E11 being allowed to stop may be to do with Ealing residents having a direct route to the council offices. E2 and E8 stray off toward Hounslow’s borough. With regard to the E8 westbound, i assume you mean stop L on Uxbridge Road... again just guesswork but I wonder if TfL wanted to reserve the stop for Uxbridge Road continuing buses. The E8 one at Dean Gardens is probably the most anomalous of all, perhaps the L stop and this one (T) are so to benefit local passengers by avoiding any confusion about buses not applicable to regular travel patterns? (I note that the E3 stops there though and that turns off Uxbridge Road before the E8 does) As for the CBP, I remember in an old consultation (I think it was about the 70 going to CBP) that one of the comments was to provide more stops in the CBP. However it’s private land and the one place TfL wanted to use was rejected by the owners as it is reserved for loading. The 27 misses Gunnersbury Station because it turns off before. They could have made a stop before the lights but the problems this causes are: a) evening peak traffic build up in that area might make it difficult for 27 buses to pull out and access the right turn filter lane and b) there is no way other buses would be serving a stop so close to the existing stop H, which is better placed for interchange between rail and bus. And with passengers exiting the bus there would likely be ignorance about other buses not stopping there, and with other routes potentially stuck behind in the bus lane with other traffic preventing overtaking, you’d likely get passengers expecting to board these routes only to be refused entry, which could create problems for drivers. Would love to hear what TfL would say about these good questions though! |
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Post by snowman on Jul 14, 2018 17:52:13 GMT
The night 65 has another anomaly, in Eden Street the southbound 71 and 65 serve different stops, the 71 stop has a blue night 65 tile and the other stop a 24 hour 65 tile.
So at night they are advertised as stopping at both stops about 2 bus lengths apart.
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Post by 725DYE on Jul 14, 2018 17:55:24 GMT
One that has annoyed me for years is the fact that the 127/289/359/412 all terminate at "Purley". In reality the 127 and 289 terminate at the station whereas the 359 and 412 terminate at the high street. It would be most ideal to change the 127 and 289 to "Purley Station" and either leave the 359 and 412 as they are or maybe change them to "Purley High Street".
It's interesting that some areas are better informed than others. The best examples are the division between Sutton Town Centre and Sutton Station, Epsom and Epsom General Hospital, Caterham and Caterham-on-the-Hill and Coulsdon and Coulsdon South Station.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 14, 2018 18:00:08 GMT
It adds a common stop with the 281 to Surbiton at night (and the same stop as the day 71).
To make the stop before just the day 65 would be confusing thou i guess if the bell is rung and nobody is at the day 65 stop it will go past and stop at the blue titled stop.
I still think they should just created a N65.
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Post by sid on Jul 14, 2018 18:00:32 GMT
One that has annoyed me for years is the fact that the 127/289/359/412 all terminate at "Purley". In reality the 127 and 289 terminate at the station whereas the 359 and 412 terminate at the high street. It would be most ideal to change the 127 and 289 to "Purley Station" and either leave the 359 and 412 as they are or maybe change them to "Purley High Street". It's interesting that some areas are better informed than others. The best examples are the division between Sutton Town Centre and Sutton Station, Epsom and Epsom General Hospital, Caterham and Caterham-on-the-Hill and Coulsdon and Coulsdon South Station. Purley Hospital would be appropriate for the 412, the route was altered specifically to serve the hospital. |
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Post by Max B on Jul 14, 2018 19:58:41 GMT
One that has annoyed me for years is the fact that the 127/289/359/412 all terminate at "Purley". In reality the 127 and 289 terminate at the station whereas the 359 and 412 terminate at the high street. It would be most ideal to change the 127 and 289 to " Purley Station" and either leave the 359 and 412 as they are or maybe change them to "Purley High Street". It's interesting that some areas are better informed than others. The best examples are the division between Sutton Town Centre and Sutton Station, Epsom and Epsom General Hospital, Caterham and Caterham-on-the-Hill and Coulsdon and Coulsdon South Station. When the 289 was operating from CN, the DWs, DWLs and PDLs did have "Purley Station" on their blinds, and they did also use the now "Purley" blind on a few occasions. |
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Post by ak121 on Jul 15, 2018 0:17:57 GMT
For some odd reason, along the Uxbridge Road, routes E2 and E8 miss out random stops. Heading Eastbound, everything stops at Longfield Avenue outside the council, except the E2 and E8 which zoom straight past. The E7 stops here too so it isn't like this is confined to the routes going straight through, avoiding Haven Green. I'm not complaining though, it means I can often make a 207/427 in front as the E2 overtakes! Heading Westbound, the E2 doesn't stop at Northfield Avenue (just before it turns left), whilst the E8 skips the stop after (Dean Gardens / Bedford Road). It just seems a bit random. Another one I don't get is why the 27 has a massive gap between stops, from Chiswick Road to Chiswick Business Park. It skips both Gunnersbury Station (not stopping at a station is something even the 607 doesn't manage) and The Plaza, where I believe new bus stops should've emerged. If Chiswick Park hadn't refused (assuming that's why they haven't been erected), maybe the route would've actually generated some usage and they wouldn't have to cut it! All the route does at the moment is serve a dingy construction site at the back of the Danone quarter, but there are 14 other buildings which would be directly served by other bus stops in the park! The Uxbridge Road bus stops are actually very confusing: Westbound: 427: Christchurch Ealing Police Station Dane Road (Same Name, different stop to E8's one) Northfield Avenue (Shares with E8) Dean Gardens / Bedford Road (E8 completely misses this one, but E3 serves) West Ealing Broadway (Same name, different stop to E8's one) Grosvenor Road Church Road (E8 as well) Hanwell Broadway (E8 as well) E8: Ealing Town Hall St Leonards Road Dane Road (Same name, different stop to 427's one) Northfield Avenue (Same stop, shares with 427, very rare  ) (Completely skips Dean Gardens / Bedford Road) West Ealing Broadway (Same name, different stop to 427's one) Michael Gaynor Close Church Road (427 as well) Hanwell Broadway (427 as well) Eastbound: 427: Hanwell Broadway (E8 as well) Grosvenor Road (E8 as well) West Ealing Broadway (Same name, different stop to E8's one) Dean Gardens / Bedford Road (E8 as well, E3 skips this stop as it has to turn right and instead serves Dean Gardens / Mattock Lane) Broughton Road St Leonards Road (Same name, different stop to E8, E2, E7 and 483/N83 as well and very unusual) Longfield Avenue (E8 and E2 completely skip) Bond Street (Every route stops here apart from 607 and 65, talked about later) E8: Hanwell Broadway (427 as well) Grosvenor Road (427 as well) West Ealing Broadway (Same name, different stop to 427's one) Dean Gardens / Bedford Road (E8 actually serves rather than skipping like westbound services, but E3 skips unlike westbound services) Dane Road St Leonards Road (Same Name, different stop to 427 and 207/N207 only) Bond Street (all routes apart from 607 and 65) This one stretch of road with a few routes, but every route basically has a unique stopping arrangement. It seems like whenever there is roadspace, TfL try and segregate the continuous Uxbridge Road routes (427, 207/N207, 483/N83 and 607) with the E Prefix routes. However, the 483 and N83 leave the 427 and 207 at St Leonards Road and serves the E Prefix bus stop with the same name, weird. Also, when going eastbound, all routes serve Bond Street, wheras the 607 stops at the eastbound 65's Christchurch stop. On the other hand, all the Uxbridge Road routes stop at Christchurch Eastbound, as there is no Eastbound Bond Street stop. Loads of skipping, alternative stops and weird stopping arrangements and even the locals get mixed up sometimes, It took me a few months to get to grips with the Uxbridge Road corridor in between Boston Manor Road and Ealing Broadway Station. Apologies for the long post, hope this simplifies things for people and for people who aren't familiar with the area, they'd probably get even more confused tbh!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 12:22:01 GMT
One that has annoyed me for years is the fact that the 127/289/359/412 all terminate at "Purley". In reality the 127 and 289 terminate at the station whereas the 359 and 412 terminate at the high street. It would be most ideal to change the 127 and 289 to "Purley Station" and either leave the 359 and 412 as they are or maybe change them to "Purley High Street". It's interesting that some areas are better informed than others. The best examples are the division between Sutton Town Centre and Sutton Station, Epsom and Epsom General Hospital, Caterham and Caterham-on-the-Hill and Coulsdon and Coulsdon South Station. True. they do the "High Street" and "Station" specifics in Eltham. But Purley they don't. Very inconsistent. |
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Post by busaholic on Jul 15, 2018 13:38:40 GMT
One that has annoyed me for years is the fact that the 127/289/359/412 all terminate at "Purley". In reality the 127 and 289 terminate at the station whereas the 359 and 412 terminate at the high street. It would be most ideal to change the 127 and 289 to "Purley Station" and either leave the 359 and 412 as they are or maybe change them to "Purley High Street". It's interesting that some areas are better informed than others. The best examples are the division between Sutton Town Centre and Sutton Station, Epsom and Epsom General Hospital, Caterham and Caterham-on-the-Hill and Coulsdon and Coulsdon South Station. True. they do the "High Street" and "Station" specifics in Eltham. But Purley they don't. Very inconsistent. When I lived in Eltham we had ''Eltham, Well Hall Station'', ''Eltham Church'' and ''Eltham, Southend Crescent'' on a regular basis, also ''Eltham Green'' but, strictly speaking, that wasn't in Eltham, also slightly later ''Eltham Park, Dumbreck Gardens'', but Eltham Green was also known as Middle Park Avenue on the 186 (later the 122). To add to that, Well Hall Roundabout appeared on the 161/A but Rochester Way, Well Hall Road on the 108A for the same place! MANY more anomalies abounded then, owing in part to bonding in ex-tram and ex-trolleybus routes and practice. |
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Post by 6HP502C on Jul 19, 2018 22:07:09 GMT
Another quirk is the 25N is more frequent on weekdays than weekends (7.5bph vs 5bph). This arose from the introduction of Night Tube but that level of service maintained on weekdays due to significant demand into London in the small hours!
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