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Post by ThinLizzy on Jul 20, 2018 16:43:34 GMT
145 & 366 in around Ilford area where they don't stop at the southbound Northbrook Road stop while all routes from Gants Hill do stop there and at Pioneer Point towards Dagenham Asda / Beckton Station while other 'through' Ilford routes heading East including 128/150 do stop there. that one really annoys me if I ever go to Sainsbury's in Ilford |
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Post by Hassaan on Jul 20, 2018 23:41:24 GMT
I’ve always wondered why ‘122’ on new fonted blinds have the full size whereas any other 3 digit number (excluding 3 digit numbers containing two 1’s) has the slightly condensed arrangement. Eg 122 is full sized but 133 isn’t, but isn’t the 2 just as wide a number as the 3 on the newest typeface? Always been an OCD bugbear of mine. EDIT: especially annoying considering ‘212’ has a condensed font on TT’s newest blinds, ie the same numbers just in a different order. In the new style font, 214 is condensed whereas 142 is not!
The 142 does appear to be slightly condensed if you look at the gap between the 4 and 2 on this old photo of 6101 and one of the current buses |
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Post by snoggle on Jul 20, 2018 23:49:42 GMT
145 & 366 in around Ilford area where they don't stop at the southbound Northbrook Road stop while all routes from Gants Hill do stop there and at Pioneer Point towards Dagenham Asda / Beckton Station while other 'through' Ilford routes heading East including 128/150 do stop there. that one really annoys me if I ever go to Sainsbury's in Ilford Err why? Northbrook Rd is way past Sainsburys near Valentines Park and I'd assume you'd be travelling in from the south of Ilford not the north (but I am making assumptions here). It's a simple matter to change at Coventry Road on s/b journeys. In the town centre the s/b 145 and 366 pick up / set down opposite the station which is reasonably near for Sainsburys or else there's the stop by that hideous tower block with Easy Gym inside it. I actually think most of the stops in Ilford work pretty well given the volume of bus movements. The only two confusing things for people are Newbury Park buses not running through the town centre but effectively starting at the station and the highest frequency / fastest service to Barking being at Chapel Rd (where the EL1 kicks in). |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 6:03:05 GMT
Speaking of the (N)65, you also have the (N)148 scenario.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jul 21, 2018 8:33:16 GMT
that one really annoys me if I ever go to Sainsbury's in Ilford Err why? Northbrook Rd is way past Sainsburys near Valentines Park and I'd assume you'd be travelling in from the south of Ilford not the north (but I am making assumptions here). It's a simple matter to change at Coventry Road on s/b journeys. In the town centre the s/b 145 and 366 pick up / set down opposite the station which is reasonably near for Sainsburys or else there's the stop by that hideous tower block with Easy Gym inside it. I actually think most of the stops in Ilford work pretty well given the volume of bus movements. The only two confusing things for people are Newbury Park buses not running through the town centre but effectively starting at the station and the highest frequency / fastest service to Barking being at Chapel Rd (where the EL1 kicks in). I meant the stop at Pioneer Point which the 145 doesn't serve, it can be a bit of a trudge up to Ilford Station with the weekly shop |
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Post by kmkcheng on Jul 21, 2018 8:50:51 GMT
H&S is the short answer to this one. The 18 would exceed the safe capacity of the Rugby Avenue stop. Before Sudbury Town Centre was redeveloped there were two bus stops and the 18 picked up closer to the shops. But the scheme was designed in such a way that parking provision reduced bus stop capacity by the shops. Due to the number of services already serving it and the cage not being all that long, it'd prove problematic to have 18s stopping there. The stop the 18 picks up now was actually moved a few dozen metres west at this point to mitigate the effect though granted it is a bit of a walk from the stops. Unfortunately it's unlikely the 18 will be changed to serve that stop and for consistency the N18 doesn't either. There's a document somewhere in the public domain that mentions this - democracy.brent.gov.uk/documents/s18020/Sudbury%2520Bus%2520Stop%2520Petition.pdf
I was in the area today and I'd have probably been caught out like many other people have been if I hadn't read your posting, I certainly hadn't noticed this before. I'm afraid I can't accept this line about the 18 stopping there would exceed the safe capacity, just look at the number of buses trying to serve one stop on Waterloo Bridge or the Marble Arch/Park Lane stops. There is room to extend the bus stop area if need be by relocating the adjacent loading bay.
I certainly agree with you regarding the 18/N18 not serving this stop. The only reason I could think of is what actually happened a week ago when I was in Sudbury where part of the 18 stand was closed off due to a hole in the road which meant some were standing at the first stop opposite instead and they didn’t want the situation of the 18 standing at the rugby ave stop when there is no space for it if it had to serve that stop |
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Post by cl54 on Jul 21, 2018 9:01:08 GMT
In the new style font, 214 is condensed whereas 142 is not!
The 142 does appear to be slightly condensed if you look at the gap between the 4 and 2 on this old photo of 6101 and one of the current buses Neither of the photos shows the latest style blinds. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 21, 2018 10:55:14 GMT
Neither of the photos shows the latest style blinds. The SP blinds are of the new style |
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Post by cl54 on Jul 21, 2018 13:15:27 GMT
Neither of the photos shows the latest style blinds. The SP blinds are of the new style Apologies now seen enlarged on laptop. The new blinds are individually created so not condensed font. The route numbers are spaced to make the best use of the space. |
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Post by abc on Jul 24, 2018 18:49:42 GMT
How about the 274 serving the same stop as 139 and 189 at Dorset Square, but continuing with 13, 113/N113 which serve an adjacent, but separate stop?
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Post by redbus on Jul 25, 2018 18:47:07 GMT
How about the 274 serving the same stop as 139 and 189 at Dorset Square, but continuing with 13, 113/N113 which serve an adjacent, but separate stop? TfL have quite unnecessarily messed up the bus stops at Dorset Square with little thought for passengers. I think TfL have lost interest and are just waiting for Baker Street to become two-way when they will have to re-vamp all the bus stops anyway. Pretty poor to leave things the way they are for six months or so. |
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Post by stubag on Jul 26, 2018 14:04:02 GMT
Last time I used the H2 I thought it did show Hampstead Garden Suburb on departure from G Green but that be my memory playing tricks.
Under Metroline the H2 did indeed show Garden Suburb on the blinds, albeit as part of a lazy display as shown here (not my photo). When Arriva took over the display changed to a pretty useless plain "Golders Green" throughout. More recently this display has gained a (lengthy) qualifier of Hampstead Garden Suburb Circular.
I think you have to go back to R & I days for the H2 to have blinds that were changed mid-route, as they seemed to have a "Garden Suburb via Market Place" display as well as a "Golders Green Stn" one. And also a "Garden Suburb via Brim Hill" display for the non-standard journeys that eventually became the H3.
The official blind change point on the H2 was Market Place. And I was a driver of it in the MTL London days. But if you do a quick Flickr search for OM243 you'll see the Garden Suburb @ Golders Green BLIND although I admit I probably was being lazy with the positioning of it 😂. The Golders Green Station blind was normally used for the H1/3 |
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Post by DE20106 on Aug 12, 2018 18:40:59 GMT
An anomaly I’d like to bring up is that the 118 (and a couple of others I can’t think of from the top of my head) is LESS frequent during peak hours. 12 normally but 13 in peaks ... What?!?!?
EDIT: 481 too.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 12, 2018 23:14:58 GMT
An anomaly I’d like to bring up is that the 118 (and a couple of others I can’t think of from the top of my head) is LESS frequent during peak hours. 12 normally but 13 in peaks ... What?!?!? EDIT: 481 too. This will become much more common as TfL refuse to maintain headways in the face of increasing run / dwell times. They are simply doing what almost every deregulated operator now does. Their peak service levels are appalling in many places now because traffic congestion is so horrific and they simply will not put on extra buses as the cost is far too high for marginal peak workings. I suspect it is now the case in many cities that off peak bus use is higher than the peak now as commuters now opt to drive rather than use buses. It's a sign of complete failure on the part of highway authorities and the bus companies. You'd imagine the peak was when operators made their money but many of them have effectively surrendered the peak traffic to cars. In London TfL is perfectly happy to cede some of the bus network peak to people using rail (more money in the bank) or cycling (brownie points from the Mayor). It will only get progressively worse in London as no one is defending buses as a mode worth looking after. Instead it is a mode to attack, weaken and steal resources from. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 19:08:48 GMT
The 423 has a night duty driver. The last duty in early hours of morning has a break before taking the first bus out also in early hours.
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