|
|
Post by busaholic on Jul 19, 2018 22:26:40 GMT
Another quirk is the 25N is more frequent on weekdays than weekends (7.5bph vs 5bph). This arose from the introduction of Night Tube but that level of service maintained on weekdays due to significant demand into London in the small hours! it may show that the weekday 25N is used by a goodly number of lower-paid workers servicing office blocks/hotels, travelling from their homes in east London. I believe there is less of this work at weekends, particularly in the office sector. |
|
|
|
Post by RandomBusesGirl on Jul 19, 2018 22:51:06 GMT
Oh gosh, one thing that makes me wonder is why does N8 and 145 head Leytonstone-bound via 308+101 then W19 LoR from Wanstead, however eastbound they arrive via W13+W14? I heard back in the day the road served by W13+W14 was deemed unsuitable for DDs, and the school run W13D took a different route in result, but it's all been cleared now, so why haven't 145+N8 also been re-routed that way?  Also, why do 308+101 serve both Woodbine Place and then Wanstead High Street stops, which are ridiculously close together? XD Believe the closest 2 stops in London! (Although gotta check that N65 thing mentioned earlier. Gosh that numbering anomaly annoys me too). Another odd one, N87 in Wimbledon. Northbound buses skip the station stop despite passing next to it and head straight for the bus station. It's quite annoying and catches people out all the time (including myself once!). And why does 360 have such a trek from its Lister Hospital and Westmoreland Terrace stops? Why aren't there bus stops at Grosvenor Road? I found out the hard way how far that is by having to chase a bus that way. Twice. *_* And why do passing (not terminating) buses force you onto the tube at Edgware bus station and are reluctant to set down at the actual bus station? Walthamstow you can get off at either point. |
|
|
|
Post by 6HP502C on Jul 19, 2018 23:11:17 GMT
Another odd one, N87 in Wimbledon. Northbound buses skip the station stop despite passing next to it and head straight for the bus station. It's quite annoying and catches people out all the time (including myself once!). And why does 360 have such a trek from its Lister Hospital and Westmoreland Terrace stops? Why aren't there bus stops at Grosvenor Road? I found out the hard way how far that is by having to chase a bus that way. Twice. *_* And why do passing (not terminating) buses force you onto the tube at Edgware bus station and are reluctant to set down at the actual bus station? Walthamstow you can get off at either point. Re N87, fortunately that gives you lots of time to cross the road and catch it from opposite the station! If you're already on the bus it's probably a bit annoying though. Sometimes night buses do strange things around gyratories - the N1 has a curious routing in the Surrey Quays area at odds with the day route, but no easy way to fix it. Edgware Bus Station. There's no room for conflicting pedestrian movements at the pickup stops. The less time buses spend dwelling at the stops, the better as they create visibility issues should a bus pull up behind. The driver changeovers at the pickup stops are a big pain in the backside for waiting passengers and cause congestion problems. I got caught out the first time I wanted to alight for interchange purposes but it's a mistake you only make once. |
|
|
|
Post by 6HP502C on Jul 19, 2018 23:17:53 GMT
Also, why do 308+101 serve both Woodbine Place and then Wanstead High Street stops, which are ridiculously close together? XD Believe the closest 2 stops in London! (Although gotta check that N65 thing mentioned earlier. Gosh that numbering anomaly annoys me too). I think Gayton Road (EE) and Northwick Avenue (GG) on the H9 and H19 towards Kenton are closer still - less risk of customers being taken around the houses than 265 boarders at Danebury Avenue or the K5 at Cromwell Road! |
|
|
|
Post by galwhv69 on Jul 20, 2018 5:37:39 GMT
Why do day routes have seperate tiles on bus stops but N routes don't
|
|
|
|
Post by joefrombow on Jul 20, 2018 5:45:07 GMT
Another quirk is the 25N is more frequent on weekdays than weekends (7.5bph vs 5bph). This arose from the introduction of Night Tube but that level of service maintained on weekdays due to significant demand into London in the small hours! it may show that the weekday 25N is used by a goodly number of lower-paid workers servicing office blocks/hotels, travelling from their homes in east London. I believe there is less of this work at weekends, particularly in the office sector. I never knew this still says every 4-8 minutes at all the stops with no times at all .Is that another anomaly I don't know any other routes that just have the frequency's laid out on a timetable ?? |
|
|
|
Post by 6HP502C on Jul 20, 2018 7:25:00 GMT
it may show that the weekday 25N is used by a goodly number of lower-paid workers servicing office blocks/hotels, travelling from their homes in east London. I believe there is less of this work at weekends, particularly in the office sector. I never knew this still says every 4-8 minutes at all the stops with no times at all .Is that another anomaly I don't know any other routes that just have the frequency's laid out on a timetable ?? Yes it would be, because it's the 24 hour only route that runs without ever dropping below 5bph (except Christmas Day). Specific times are only shown for first and last buses and when the frequency is 4bph or fewer, none of which apply to the 25! |
|
|
|
Post by ctrh136 on Jul 20, 2018 9:12:13 GMT
Why doesn't the 250 stop at the Fairfield Halls bus stop upon leaving the stand like the 75 does? Honestly, I've no answer to this One that no longer exists as of this year but is again Croydon related - why did the 264 pick up from the Katherine Street stand but the 197 didn't despite terminating in exactly the same stand? On the former, think it's because the 250 serves the same stops as the 109 in the northbound direction. Another anomaly is that the 75 actually serves west Croydon bus station unlike the 50 and 468, I think this was because it always used to start from/ terminate at West Croydon until it and the 409 were diverted to Fairfield halls in 2001 due to lack of stand space. |
|
|
|
Post by sid on Jul 20, 2018 9:14:05 GMT
Why doesn't the 250 stop at the Fairfield Halls bus stop upon leaving the stand like the 75 does? Honestly, I've no answer to this One that no longer exists as of this year but is again Croydon related - why did the 264 pick up from the Katherine Street stand but the 197 didn't despite terminating in exactly the same stand? On the former, think it's because the 250 serves the same stops as the 109 in the northbound direction. Another anomaly is that the 75 actually serves west Croydon bus station unlike the 50 and 468, I think this was because it always used to start from/ terminate at West Croydon until it and the 409 were diverted to Fairfield halls in 2001 due to lack of stand space. I think the 75 goes through West Croydon bus station to serve a common stop with the 157. |
|
|
|
Post by 6HP502C on Jul 20, 2018 11:47:48 GMT
The night 65 has another anomaly, in Eden Street the southbound 71 and 65 serve different stops, the 71 stop has a blue night 65 tile and the other stop a 24 hour 65 tile. So at night they are advertised as stopping at both stops about 2 bus lengths apart. I have looked into this. The day 65 sets down at stop D1. There shouldn't be a 65 tile on that stop, but there is a white on red notice stating that 65s terminating at Bond Street set down there. This doesn't apply to the night 65 which only serves stop D2. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 12:02:56 GMT
I’ve always wondered why ‘122’ on new fonted blinds have the full size whereas any other 3 digit number (excluding 3 digit numbers containing two 1’s) has the slightly condensed arrangement. Eg 122 is full sized but 133 isn’t, but isn’t the 2 just as wide a number as the 3 on the newest typeface? Always been an OCD bugbear of mine. EDIT: especially annoying considering ‘212’ has a condensed font on TT’s newest blinds, ie the same numbers just in a different order. In the new style font, 214 is condensed whereas 142 is not!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 12:06:28 GMT
Another anomaly occurs with the 398 in South Harrow where the route passes through South Harrow bus station towards Ruislip and Northolt yet neither serve, however they both serve the bus stops for the underground station on both sides of the main road towards both temini.
|
|
|
|
Post by DE20106 on Jul 20, 2018 12:11:26 GMT
I’ve always wondered why ‘122’ on new fonted blinds have the full size whereas any other 3 digit number (excluding 3 digit numbers containing two 1’s) has the slightly condensed arrangement. Eg 122 is full sized but 133 isn’t, but isn’t the 2 just as wide a number as the 3 on the newest typeface? Always been an OCD bugbear of mine. EDIT: especially annoying considering ‘212’ has a condensed font on TT’s newest blinds, ie the same numbers just in a different order. In the new style font, 214 is condensed whereas 142 is not!
Oh yeah, another anomaly. 241 isn’t condensed either.... |
|
|
|
Post by sid on Jul 20, 2018 14:21:55 GMT
The Rugby Avenue stop in Sudbury not being served by 18/N18 even though every bus passes it. When a 18 or N18 leaves the Sudbury stand to start service, it turns around at the Watford Road roundabout but then skips this stop much to the annoyance of passengers. However, the N18 that starts from Harrow Weald also skips this stop unlike the 182 day counterpart H&S is the short answer to this one. The 18 would exceed the safe capacity of the Rugby Avenue stop. Before Sudbury Town Centre was redeveloped there were two bus stops and the 18 picked up closer to the shops. But the scheme was designed in such a way that parking provision reduced bus stop capacity by the shops. Due to the number of services already serving it and the cage not being all that long, it'd prove problematic to have 18s stopping there. The stop the 18 picks up now was actually moved a few dozen metres west at this point to mitigate the effect though granted it is a bit of a walk from the stops. Unfortunately it's unlikely the 18 will be changed to serve that stop and for consistency the N18 doesn't either. There's a document somewhere in the public domain that mentions this - democracy.brent.gov.uk/documents/s18020/Sudbury%2520Bus%2520Stop%2520Petition.pdf
I was in the area today and I'd have probably been caught out like many other people have been if I hadn't read your posting, I certainly hadn't noticed this before. I'm afraid I can't accept this line about the 18 stopping there would exceed the safe capacity, just look at the number of buses trying to serve one stop on Waterloo Bridge or the Marble Arch/Park Lane stops. There is room to extend the bus stop area if need be by relocating the adjacent loading bay.
|
|
|
|
Post by vjaska on Jul 20, 2018 15:18:13 GMT
Why doesn't the 250 stop at the Fairfield Halls bus stop upon leaving the stand like the 75 does? Honestly, I've no answer to this One that no longer exists as of this year but is again Croydon related - why did the 264 pick up from the Katherine Street stand but the 197 didn't despite terminating in exactly the same stand? On the former, think it's because the 250 serves the same stops as the 109 in the northbound direction. Another anomaly is that the 75 actually serves west Croydon bus station unlike the 50 and 468, I think this was because it always used to start from/ terminate at West Croydon until it and the 409 were diverted to Fairfield halls in 2001 due to lack of stand space. The strange thing is that the 250 could actually serve that stop and then serve its current stops because the 109’s first stop was on Katherine Street just like the 250’s but the 250’s reaches Katherine Street via the Flyover slip road. |
|
