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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 7:31:26 GMT
We’ve seen some big changes proposed to bus services in London over the last few years and with demand changing this shows no sign of abating. That’s why I’ve come up with this guessing game about what you think they will do in the near future.
What routes are at risk from the chop? What enhancements will TfL look at, especially in relation to the rail network and building development? Please give your reasonings and try to compare trends with other changes/consultations if you can. Moreover, keep it friendly and respect others’ opinions!
Please don’t ‘suggest’ routes here, use the “Withdrawn routes/new route ideas” thread for your submissions. Thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 7:43:06 GMT
I guess I’ll start it off with stuff recycled from what I’ve said previously:
391 at risk:
- TfL consultation about the 27 claiming that even after withdrawal, the Chiswick High Road would still be overbussed
- Proposed chopping of 391 east of Hammersmith and frequency reduction
- Linear running to the District line
- Proposed 440 change which will leave Power Road stand available for another route from the west
Routes 28, 31 and 328:
- Although I’ve previously noted others claim the routes all have something to offer, I think at least one of these would be subject to alteration going by the current climate. All depends, I think, on whether TfL see these as useful enough given improvements to SSR on the Paddington to Kensington stretch. If patronage numbers fall I genuinely believe they could revert the 28 and 31 back to their old routes.
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Post by sid on Jul 19, 2018 8:01:14 GMT
I guess I’ll start it off with stuff recycled from what I’ve said previously: 391 at risk:- TfL consultation about the 27 claiming that even after withdrawal, the Chiswick High Road would still be overbussed - Proposed chopping of 391 east of Hammersmith and frequency reduction - Linear running to the District line - Proposed 440 change which will leave Power Road stand available for another route from the west Routes 28, 31 and 328:- Although I’ve previously noted others claim the routes all have something to offer, I think at least one of these would be subject to alteration going by the current climate. All depends, I think, on whether TfL see these as useful enough given improvements to SSR on the Paddington to Kensington stretch. If patronage numbers fall I genuinely believe they could revert the 28 and 31 back to their old routes. I agree about the 28 and 31 reverting to their former routes with the 28 curtailed at West Hampstead as the 139 now covers the Golders Green section. A small but useful extension would be from Chelsea Worlds End to Battersea Bridge south side for connections to the 49,319 etc. I can't help thinking that the 345 must be at risk, London Overground expansion has taken a chunk of its custom and most of the route is covered by other routes with maybe the 219 extended from Clapham Junction to South Kensington? I have heard a rumour about the 130 being axed, how true I don't know, with the 312 extended to Thornton Heath and the 466 to New Addington in part replacement. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 8:06:45 GMT
I guess I’ll start it off with stuff recycled from what I’ve said previously: 391 at risk:- TfL consultation about the 27 claiming that even after withdrawal, the Chiswick High Road would still be overbussed - Proposed chopping of 391 east of Hammersmith and frequency reduction - Linear running to the District line - Proposed 440 change which will leave Power Road stand available for another route from the west Routes 28, 31 and 328:- Although I’ve previously noted others claim the routes all have something to offer, I think at least one of these would be subject to alteration going by the current climate. All depends, I think, on whether TfL see these as useful enough given improvements to SSR on the Paddington to Kensington stretch. If patronage numbers fall I genuinely believe they could revert the 28 and 31 back to their old routes. I agree about the 28 and 31 reverting to their former routes with the 28 curtailed at West Hampstead as the 139 now covers the Golders Green section. A small but useful extension would be from Chelsea Worlds End to Battersea Bridge south side for connections to the 49,319 etc. I can't help thinking that the 345 must be at risk, London Overground expansion has taken a chunk of its custom and most of the route is covered by other routes with maybe the 219 extended from Clapham Junction to South Kensington?I have heard a rumour about the 130 being axed, how true I don't know, with the 312 extended to Thornton Heath and the 466 to New Addington in part replacement. Yes but do you actually think TfL will do that or is it a suggestion based on your preference? I’m only really looking for the former on this thread |
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Post by sid on Jul 19, 2018 8:31:28 GMT
I agree about the 28 and 31 reverting to their former routes with the 28 curtailed at West Hampstead as the 139 now covers the Golders Green section. A small but useful extension would be from Chelsea Worlds End to Battersea Bridge south side for connections to the 49,319 etc. I can't help thinking that the 345 must be at risk, London Overground expansion has taken a chunk of its custom and most of the route is covered by other routes with maybe the 219 extended from Clapham Junction to South Kensington?I have heard a rumour about the 130 being axed, how true I don't know, with the 312 extended to Thornton Heath and the 466 to New Addington in part replacement. Yes but do you actually think TfL will do that or is it a suggestion based on your preference? I’m only really looking for the former on this thread I don't particularly want the 345 to be axed but I wouldn't be surprised if TfL were thinking along those lines. |
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Post by ronnie on Jul 19, 2018 9:29:30 GMT
Can I suggest D8 being withdrawn  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 9:35:57 GMT
Can I suggest D8 being withdrawn Of course, what is your reasoning? |
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 19, 2018 10:06:42 GMT
Can I suggest D8 being withdrawn <iframe width="24.200000000000045" height="2.980000000000004" style="position: absolute; width: 24.200000000000045px; height: 2.980000000000004px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_90744108" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.200000000000045" height="2.980000000000004" style="position: absolute; width: 24.2px; height: 2.98px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1149px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_64255927" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.200000000000045" height="2.980000000000004" style="position: absolute; width: 24.2px; height: 2.98px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 90px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_50240098" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.200000000000045" height="2.980000000000004" style="position: absolute; width: 24.2px; height: 2.98px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1149px; top: 90px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_54326001" scrolling="no"></iframe> The D8 won't be withdrawn unless there is a significant reshuffle of other routes to cover it. It provides a number of unique links and bus use in Tower Hamlets does not appear to be falling as sharply as other areas of London. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 19, 2018 11:19:46 GMT
I guess I’ll start it off with stuff recycled from what I’ve said previously: 391 at risk:- TfL consultation about the 27 claiming that even after withdrawal, the Chiswick High Road would still be overbussed - Proposed chopping of 391 east of Hammersmith and frequency reduction - Linear running to the District line - Proposed 440 change which will leave Power Road stand available for another route from the west Routes 28, 31 and 328:- Although I’ve previously noted others claim the routes all have something to offer, I think at least one of these would be subject to alteration going by the current climate. All depends, I think, on whether TfL see these as useful enough given improvements to SSR on the Paddington to Kensington stretch. If patronage numbers fall I genuinely believe they could revert the 28 and 31 back to their old routes. I agree about the 28 and 31 reverting to their former routes with the 28 curtailed at West Hampstead as the 139 now covers the Golders Green section. A small but useful extension would be from Chelsea Worlds End to Battersea Bridge south side for connections to the 49,319 etc. I can't help thinking that the 345 must be at risk, London Overground expansion has taken a chunk of its custom and most of the route is covered by other routes with maybe the 219 extended from Clapham Junction to South Kensington? I have heard a rumour about the 130 being axed, how true I don't know, with the 312 extended to Thornton Heath and the 466 to New Addington in part replacement. The 345 shouldn't be at risk as even though the Overground has taken some custom, buses are still busy because it offers many local links that neither the Overground nor other bus routes do. The 219 is an inadequate replacement given its single decker and contends with a lot of traffic on Trinity Road & at Colliers Wood. |
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Post by busaholic on Jul 19, 2018 12:08:31 GMT
I agree about the 28 and 31 reverting to their former routes with the 28 curtailed at West Hampstead as the 139 now covers the Golders Green section. A small but useful extension would be from Chelsea Worlds End to Battersea Bridge south side for connections to the 49,319 etc. I can't help thinking that the 345 must be at risk, London Overground expansion has taken a chunk of its custom and most of the route is covered by other routes with maybe the 219 extended from Clapham Junction to South Kensington? I have heard a rumour about the 130 being axed, how true I don't know, with the 312 extended to Thornton Heath and the 466 to New Addington in part replacement. The 345 shouldn't be at risk as even though the Overground has taken some custom, buses are still busy because it offers many local links that neither the Overground nor other bus routes do. The 219 is an inadequate replacement given its single decker and contends with a lot of traffic on Trinity Road & at Colliers Wood. The Overground section referred to has a maximum frequency of 15 minutes, with no scope for enhancement, serves no part of Brixton and only the fringes of Camberwell too. |
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Post by redbus on Jul 19, 2018 12:46:12 GMT
I guess I’ll start it off with stuff recycled from what I’ve said previously: 391 at risk:- TfL consultation about the 27 claiming that even after withdrawal, the Chiswick High Road would still be overbussed - Proposed chopping of 391 east of Hammersmith and frequency reduction - Linear running to the District line - Proposed 440 change which will leave Power Road stand available for another route from the west Routes 28, 31 and 328:- Although I’ve previously noted others claim the routes all have something to offer, I think at least one of these would be subject to alteration going by the current climate. All depends, I think, on whether TfL see these as useful enough given improvements to SSR on the Paddington to Kensington stretch. If patronage numbers fall I genuinely believe they could revert the 28 and 31 back to their old routes. I agree about the 28 and 31 reverting to their former routes with the 28 curtailed at West Hampstead as the 139 now covers the Golders Green section. A small but useful extension would be from Chelsea Worlds End to Battersea Bridge south side for connections to the 49,319 etc. I can't help thinking that the 345 must be at risk, London Overground expansion has taken a chunk of its custom and most of the route is covered by other routes with maybe the 219 extended from Clapham Junction to South Kensington? I have heard a rumour about the 130 being axed, how true I don't know, with the 312 extended to Thornton Heath and the 466 to New Addington in part replacement. I also agree about the 28 and 31 reverting to their former routes, but I am less convinced about the 28 being curtailed at West Hampstead. Golders Green is not much farther on and the 328 carries far more passengers over this section than the 139. The bus stand at West Hampstead may also be too small to hold two G3s.
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Post by Arriva London Explorer on Jul 19, 2018 13:09:14 GMT
I agree about the 28 and 31 reverting to their former routes with the 28 curtailed at West Hampstead as the 139 now covers the Golders Green section. A small but useful extension would be from Chelsea Worlds End to Battersea Bridge south side for connections to the 49,319 etc. I can't help thinking that the 345 must be at risk, London Overground expansion has taken a chunk of its custom and most of the route is covered by other routes with maybe the 219 extended from Clapham Junction to South Kensington? I have heard a rumour about the 130 being axed, how true I don't know, with the 312 extended to Thornton Heath and the 466 to New Addington in part replacement. I also agree about the 28 and 31 reverting to their former routes, but I am less convinced about the 28 being curtailed at West Hampstead. Golders Green is not much farther on and the 328 carries far more passengers over this section than the 139. The bus stand at West Hampstead may also be too small to hold two G3s.
If any future changes happen 328 should be extended to Battersea Bridge, that short extension would be key linking Battersea to Earls Court and good for reliability. 391 could be withdrawn and extend 371 to Chiswick Business park it will connect the business park to the west side and replace the 27 if the axe to Hammersmith is coming and frequency with H91 and 267 reliable. 371 would go to Keep garden so the link isn't lost and 391 ,could be withdrawn with 424 going on imperial road. I think 31 and 28 is fine tbh |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 19, 2018 13:11:42 GMT
The 345 shouldn't be at risk as even though the Overground has taken some custom, buses are still busy because it offers many local links that neither the Overground nor other bus routes do. The 219 is an inadequate replacement given its single decker and contends with a lot of traffic on Trinity Road & at Colliers Wood. The Overground section referred to has a maximum frequency of 15 minutes, with no scope for enhancement, serves no part of Brixton and only the fringes of Camberwell too. Exactly my point - the links provided by the 345 cannot be provided by the Overground. Not only is Brixton not served but neither is Loughborough Junction whilst Stockwell isn't even on its route so the 345 wouldn't be trouble. The only link provided by Overground that the 345 also provides is Clapham Junction to Clapham High Street and I can't see many people plumping for the train over the bus unless switching from other trains at Clapham Junction. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 19, 2018 13:14:08 GMT
I also agree about the 28 and 31 reverting to their former routes, but I am less convinced about the 28 being curtailed at West Hampstead. Golders Green is not much farther on and the 328 carries far more passengers over this section than the 139. The bus stand at West Hampstead may also be too small to hold two G3s.
If any future changes happen 328 should be extended to Battersea Bridge, that short extension would be key linking Battersea to Earls Court and good for reliability. 391 could be withdrawn and extend 371 to Chiswick Business park it will connect the business park to the west side and replace the 27 if the axe to Hammersmith is coming and frequency with H91 and 267 reliable. 371 would go to Keep garden so the link isn't lost and 391 ,could be withdrawn with 424 going on imperial road. I think 31 and 28 is fine tbh I don't get how extending the 328 is good for reliability? |
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 19, 2018 13:31:21 GMT
Since the 27 is proposed to be cut back to Hammersmith, I think it will be extended from Camden Town to Parliament Hill to replace the C2.
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