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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 20, 2018 8:05:31 GMT
Not so much other the southern section but with the 1, 68, 59, 168, 171, 243 and 521 I can see Russel Square/Euston/Holborn to Waterloo I can see some serious thinning there. For nearly all the day there would be plenty of spare cacapcity.
I wonder if the 1 could extend to North Greenwich with the Surrey Quays to Elephant section replaced with a diverted 381 maybe and the 188 cut. Or the 68 cut to Waterloo/Elephant with maybe the 468 cut.
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Post by sid on Jul 20, 2018 8:07:30 GMT
I haven't seen that often personally and even using it in the evenings it can be full. Now I'm not saying a frequency decrease here or there couldn't be achieved but to take an entire route out is absolutely the wrong way to go about it. There is quite a bit of interchange at Brixton & Oval but a lot of local links are still used inbetween from what I've noticed. Let's say it's the 159 that's withdrawn with the 59 extended to Streatham but the 159 number kept, I and others along the route will end up with a longer & more unreliable route as a result and Brixton Hill ends up with one route less along an intensive corridor. It's telling that when the 45 terminated at Telford Avenue, that it was never extended further south than that & there has always been 3 routes along the Kennington to Brixton corridor during my lifetime - first the 3, 109 & 159 and now the 3, 59 & 159. In these times, it’s not beyond the realms of possibility to see possibly the 360 diverted away from E&C to run via Baylis Road to Waterloo, the 68 to extend to King’s Cross and then the 59 be stripped out completely. Re. out county services : Surrey seem to be doing well in supporting services. I see Kent routes though as being very vulnerable: I can see the 492 being cut to Dartford (so not even fast to Bluewater), and extending the 469 to Crayford could easily do for the 428 (hopper, hopper to the 96)... The 59 seems quite well used, I think there is more a case for axing the 68 which is duplicated in its entirety by the 168,171 and 468. I think the 492 should be withdrawn between Dartford and Bluewater, or run fast via DVH like the 96 and 428, as the area in between is outside of TfL remit. I did suggest rerouting it across the river to Lakeside but unlikely in the current climate. |
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Post by sid on Jul 20, 2018 8:24:39 GMT
Route 396 is almost but not quite superfluous, it does indeed provide a link between Ilford, Gants Hill, Newbury Park and King George Hospital. However if TFL are looking for savings then all they need do is slightly up the frequency of the 296 , and have that serve the hospital, maintaining the link, and then withdraw the 396. I DON'T want that to happen but it would save money. I see your point, I think the problem is that the 296 would get stuck in traffic serving King George's Hospital and obviously make the service unattractive to through passengers but I certainly wouldn't rule it out. |
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Post by Arriva London Explorer on Jul 21, 2018 12:18:40 GMT
I've clearly ask your question... I don't get why your being rude it's not that big of a deal it's just people expressing opinions and your very draining If you had clearly answered my question, then you would of gave actual reason as to why extending the 328 supposedly is good for reliability - the answer you gave made absolutely no sense by telling me it links North West London with South West London and that apparently, the Words End section is pointless, none of that has anything to do with being good for reliability. Furthermore, it wasn't rude - I simply asked you nicely for a reply that related to what I asked which you didn't do and the only person being rude is you saying I'm draining when you don't even know me and have hardly ever conversed with me on here before. I have no problem with people expressing opinions but at least make sure what your saying makes sense next time  It does make, but with you how the way your say the sentence sounds stand off-ish and for you to have the audacity saying expressing my opinions make sense of course it makes snece it's called an opinion, it's a human right. Reason why I said the 328 should extend to Battersea, South side or even Battersea Park would be reliable with an extra increase of 2 buses, would be adding a additional links especially since there's events going on at earls Court, this would be very reliable and keeping the frequency the same but extended |
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Post by Arriva London Explorer on Jul 21, 2018 12:21:08 GMT
Route 396 is almost but not quite superfluous, it does indeed provide a link between Ilford, Gants Hill, Newbury Park and King George Hospital. However if TFL are looking for savings then all they need do is slightly up the frequency of the 296 , and have that serve the hospital, maintaining the link, and then withdraw the 396. I DON'T want that to happen but it would save money. I see your point, I think the problem is that the 296 would get stuck in traffic serving King George's Hospital and obviously make the service unattractive to through passengers but I certainly wouldn't rule it out. I do see the 396 as being pointless maybe, EL3 cod be extended to Newbury Park, also reroute the 362 to this: Chadwell Heath, Wangley Road Grove Road, King Georges Hospital (Double Run) Billets Lane Marks Gate And to it's normal route to Grange hill This could happen and cancel the 296, 396 on total, the 66 can more than cope alone on the Eastern Avenue tbh and the 62 on Whalebone Lane |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 21, 2018 12:37:26 GMT
If you had clearly answered my question, then you would of gave actual reason as to why extending the 328 supposedly is good for reliability - the answer you gave made absolutely no sense by telling me it links North West London with South West London and that apparently, the Words End section is pointless, none of that has anything to do with being good for reliability. Furthermore, it wasn't rude - I simply asked you nicely for a reply that related to what I asked which you didn't do and the only person being rude is you saying I'm draining when you don't even know me and have hardly ever conversed with me on here before. I have no problem with people expressing opinions but at least make sure what your saying makes sense next time It does make, but with you how the way your say the sentence sounds stand off-ish and for you to have the audacity saying expressing my opinions make sense of course it makes snece it's called an opinion, it's a human right. Reason why I said the 328 should extend to Battersea, South side or even Battersea Park would be reliable with an extra increase of 2 buses, would be adding a additional links especially since there's events going on at earls Court, this would be very reliable and keeping the frequency the same but extended Extending a route increases the probability that a route can become less reliable as it length has increased and has to serve more roads adding more time on. It would not make a route more reliable unless its routing was diverted along roads that were less intensive traffic wise - this isn't the case for the 328 as a decent amount of extra routing is added on thus increasing the chance of it being less reliable. The 328 serves a number of traffic hotspots as well that already presumably affect reliability such as the one way system from Kensington to Earls Court which regularly is full of heavy traffic & Kensington Church Street not to mention the sizeable length of route as well. It should be left as it is IMO unless congestion is cut significantly. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 21, 2018 13:09:46 GMT
Once the northern line extention openes I think the 436 will be cut to Vauxhall. With a tube station at Battersea Park I can see the (little) demand there is on the 436 vanishing. Maybe the 452 will be cut aswell with a station at Nine Elms on Wandsworth Road.
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Post by busaholic on Jul 21, 2018 13:24:25 GMT
Once the northern line extention openes I think the 436 will be cut to Vauxhall. With a tube station at Battersea Park I can see the (little) demand there is on the 436 vanishing. Maybe the 452 will be cut aswell with a station at Nine Elms on Wandsworth Road. If the 436 truncation happened, it really would be a nonsense not to withdraw the route, and extend the 36 to Lewisham, with short workings if necessary (extra Paddingtons and New Crosses in the peak), maybe an extension of the 136 to Vauxhall too. |
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Post by M1104 on Jul 21, 2018 13:40:56 GMT
Once the northern line extention openes I think the 436 will be cut to Vauxhall. With a tube station at Battersea Park I can see the (little) demand there is on the 436 vanishing. Maybe the 452 will be cut aswell with a station at Nine Elms on Wandsworth Road. The 436 was rerouted to Battersea Park mainly because of the eventual opening of the Northern Line extension. It should prove useful for when punters are coming out the tube towards Nine Elms. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 21, 2018 14:46:00 GMT
I think some cuts could easily be made around the Elephant & Castle area. There is a very large number of routes serving, many of which duplicate links in various directions.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 21, 2018 15:24:17 GMT
I think some cuts could easily be made around the Elephant & Castle area. There is a very large number of routes serving, many of which duplicate links in various directions. The corridors in & out of Elephant & Castle are very busy hence why many routes running through follow each other for a good distance however all have their own unique selling point and usefulness. Obviously TfL will no doubt cut stuff here (the 45 & 133 have already done so off the top of my head) but that doesn’t mean it’s correct or justified. |
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Post by ronnie on Jul 21, 2018 15:51:53 GMT
I think the 100 and 242 will disappear at some stage. Of course something would need to replace the lost link to homerton hospital. Maybe tflwill play around with the 26 / 388 / 242
The 100 has lost usefulness ever since it was cut back to London wall and looks like a stub route with limited usefulness
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 21, 2018 15:53:12 GMT
Once the northern line extention openes I think the 436 will be cut to Vauxhall. With a tube station at Battersea Park I can see the (little) demand there is on the 436 vanishing. Maybe the 452 will be cut aswell with a station at Nine Elms on Wandsworth Road. The 436 was rerouted to Battersea Park mainly because of the eventual opening of the Northern Line extension. It should prove useful for when punters are coming out the tube towards Nine Elms. That could happen buts a short period of each day that large numbers would be coming out. I think in most cases people would walk from either Battersea Park or Vauxhall. In the case of the 36 the 414 could divert at Edgware Road over it to Queens Park and the 36 running as Paddington to Lewisham. Having the 36 on its own from Paddington to Vauxhall has coped despite the worries so I think Vauxhall to New Cross could cope so withdraw the 436. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 21, 2018 15:56:29 GMT
The 436 was rerouted to Battersea Park mainly because of the eventual opening of the Northern Line extension. It should prove useful for when punters are coming out the tube towards Nine Elms. That could happen buts a short period of each day that large numbers would be coming out. I think in most cases people would walk from either Battersea Park or Vauxhall. In the case of the 36 the 414 could divert at Edgware Road over it to Queens Park and the 36 running as Paddington to Lewisham. Having the 36 on its own from Paddington to Vauxhall has coped despite the worries so I think Vauxhall to New Cross could cope so withdraw the 436. There is no room at Vauxhall once the junction demolition works start and there won’t be room after as the bus station area will be a high street instead so either the 436 remains where it is or is withdrawn entirely - the latter would be incredibly silly to do. |
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Post by redbus on Jul 21, 2018 17:58:10 GMT
I think the 100 and 242 will disappear at some stage. Of course something would need to replace the lost link to homerton hospital. Maybe tflwill play around with the 26 / 388 / 242 The 100 has lost usefulness ever since it was cut back to London wall and looks like a stub route with limited usefulness I think the 242 is more likely to be cut back to Liverpool Street or even Shoreditch leaves a somewhat short and emasculated route!
I can't see the 100 being axed, it was a useful route even in the days when it only went as far as Liverpool Street. It also has unique routing to serve Shadwell / Wapping and if it were axed I suspect it would leave many more people more than 400m (or whatever it is) from a bus.
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