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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 20:23:35 GMT
At the risk of sounding controversial, I would say one can get rid of both D7 and 100. From my recent observations (spanning the last year), it seems to be lightly used outside the peaks. The 135 and 277 provide more than sufficient capacity on westferry road and Manchester road. Instead, D6 can be double decked (why it hasn’t been done till date baffles me); D8 can be single decked, start from Stratford, continue using its current route till poplar from where it can pick up on D7’s route till limehouse burdett road. Then follow D3 till onto the highway where it can take a right turn onto glamis road -> cable street and then replaces the 100 till London wall. If this is too long, one can always cut the “new” d8 till Bow flyover or till Aldgate (preferably the latter). Of course the d8 might need a slight frequency enhancement The D7 could do with being extended to Canning Town IMO. It could go via the 115/N15/N551 routing and it would also help provide a bus link between Canary Wharf/Isle of Dogs and Canning Town. Since the 330 is set to be extended, there will be available stand space. The route is definitely overbussed off-peak so a frequency cut could maybe help fund it? So much more could be done with that route aside from it’s sole purpose - being an Isle of Dogs and Canary Wharf bus provider. Like the idea of extending the D7 to Canning Town but have seen how much trouble D8s have turning out of Bazely Street into East India Dock Road during peaks so would propose using Cotton Street but this would mean missing a few stops and this breaks links around Chrisp Street / All Saints. |
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Post by COBO on Aug 8, 2018 16:52:06 GMT
15H to be discontinued and maybe replaced by the 115 or enhanced 15 or without replacement knowing TfL.
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 8, 2018 17:16:10 GMT
15H to be discontinued and maybe replaced by the 115 or enhanced 15 or without replacement knowing TfL. The 15H is mostly only used by tourists or passengers aware of the service, considering the 3bhp frequency. The standard 15 would probably cope with no replacement. |
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Post by ronnie on Aug 8, 2018 17:47:57 GMT
15H to be discontinued and maybe replaced by the 115 or enhanced 15 or without replacement knowing TfL. The 15H is mostly only used by tourists or passengers aware of the service, considering the 3bhp frequency. The standard 15 would probably cope with no replacement. Sentiment aside, there is limited point in continuing 15H. The 15 can cope with the crowds well enough on its own. Given current congestion / roadworks, doubt the central london portion is used much in the day..... given that most of the time it is just faster to walk |
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 8, 2018 18:46:41 GMT
The 15H is mostly only used by tourists or passengers aware of the service, considering the 3bhp frequency. The standard 15 would probably cope with no replacement. Sentiment aside, there is limited point in continuing 15H. The 15 can cope with the crowds well enough on its own. Given current congestion / roadworks, doubt the central london portion is used much in the day..... given that most of the time it is just faster to walk Not sure if this is a good idea, but perhaps the 15H could be cut back to possibly just a weekend service? |
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Post by sid on Aug 8, 2018 18:59:43 GMT
Sentiment aside, there is limited point in continuing 15H. The 15 can cope with the crowds well enough on its own. Given current congestion / roadworks, doubt the central london portion is used much in the day..... given that most of the time it is just faster to walk Not sure if this is a good idea, but perhaps the 15H could be cut back to possibly just a weekend service? I don't think that would be practical, what would the buses do all week? The 15H can do a good trade in the summer months especially visitors to the Tower of London. |
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Post by redbus on Aug 8, 2018 19:08:18 GMT
Sentiment aside, there is limited point in continuing 15H. The 15 can cope with the crowds well enough on its own. Given current congestion / roadworks, doubt the central london portion is used much in the day..... given that most of the time it is just faster to walk Not sure if this is a good idea, but perhaps the 15H could be cut back to possibly just a weekend service? The 15H serves a purpose for tourists and those wishing to travel on a Routemaster. I have taken it a few times and on each occasion there are always other passengers waiting specifically for the 15H. I am not suggesting it covers its costs by any means and on a pure financial basis you would axe it, but then I am afraid that is true for a lot of bus services.
If sentimentality is brought in, you would certainly keep it. If you are being unsentimental you would axe it, but with only a few buses the savings would not be massive and set against the potential outcry, probably isn't worth the fight, more important battles to fight.
If it were axed, don't expect any replacement, the 15 would be left to cope with no extra buses.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 8, 2018 19:42:22 GMT
The 15H serves a purpose for tourists and those wishing to travel on a Routemaster. I have taken it a few times and on each occasion there are always other passengers waiting specifically for the 15H. I am not suggesting it covers its costs by any means and on a pure financial basis you would axe it, but then I am afraid that is true for a lot of bus services.
If sentimentality is brought in, you would certainly keep it. If you are being unsentimental you would axe it, but with only a few buses the savings would not be massive and set against the potential outcry, probably isn't worth the fight, more important battles to fight.
If it were axed, don't expect any replacement, the 15 would be left to cope with no extra buses. It costs over £1m a year for a low frequency service that does nothing that regular buses don't already do. In stringent times when other routes are being axed wholesale and suburban routes are being cut contrary to Mayoral commitments it makes no sense *at all* to keep running it. If I end up with a worse service on the 123 on the new contract I will certainly be drawing the comparison to the Mayor's and my local AM's attention. It's about time this utter nonsense started having political consequences. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 19:56:20 GMT
The biggest downside to the 15H must be the lack of contactless payment! I can't remember the last time I used a Oyster card and always get frustrated when I have to let a bus go as I can't pay using my debit card.
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Post by sid on Aug 8, 2018 19:59:06 GMT
The biggest downside to the 15H must be the lack of contactless payment! I can't remember the last time I used a Oyster card and always get frustrated when I have to let a bus go as I can't pay using my debit card. I think you'll get a free ride on the 15H if you present you contactless card to the conductor. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 20:02:40 GMT
The biggest downside to the 15H must be the lack of contactless payment! I can't remember the last time I used a Oyster card and always get frustrated when I have to let a bus go as I can't pay using my debit card. I think you'll get a free ride on the 15H if you present you contactless card to the conductor. Indeed I did the one time I made the mistake but it just seems madness that the service only takes Oyster! I know there is issues with the existing ticket machines but if they don't plan to update these surely another reason to scrap the service.
I would much rather this and the RV1 scrapped than a more useful service.
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Post by sid on Aug 8, 2018 20:03:50 GMT
The 15H serves a purpose for tourists and those wishing to travel on a Routemaster. I have taken it a few times and on each occasion there are always other passengers waiting specifically for the 15H. I am not suggesting it covers its costs by any means and on a pure financial basis you would axe it, but then I am afraid that is true for a lot of bus services.
If sentimentality is brought in, you would certainly keep it. If you are being unsentimental you would axe it, but with only a few buses the savings would not be massive and set against the potential outcry, probably isn't worth the fight, more important battles to fight.
If it were axed, don't expect any replacement, the 15 would be left to cope with no extra buses. It costs over £1m a year for a low frequency service that does nothing that regular buses don't already do. In stringent times when other routes are being axed wholesale and suburban routes are being cut contrary to Mayoral commitments it makes no sense *at all* to keep running it. If I end up with a worse service on the 123 on the new contract I will certainly be drawing the comparison to the Mayor's and my local AM's attention. It's about time this utter nonsense started having political consequences. Why is so much fuss made about the 15H? It could be argued that it's a heritage service and therefore not subject to the usual criteria and there are plenty of other routes that carry far fewer passengers. |
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Post by sid on Aug 8, 2018 20:07:48 GMT
I think you'll get a free ride on the 15H if you present you contactless card to the conductor. Indeed I did the one time I made the mistake but it just seems madness that the service only takes Oyster! I know there is issues with the existing ticket machines but if they don't plan to update these surely another reason to scrap the service.
I would much rather this and the RV1 scrapped than a more useful service.
I think the 15H does perform a useful function, at least in the summer months. I think the 15 would struggle on its own with loadings to and from the tower. I think the RV1 is doomed though. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 20:11:02 GMT
Indeed I did the one time I made the mistake but it just seems madness that the service only takes Oyster! I know there is issues with the existing ticket machines but if they don't plan to update these surely another reason to scrap the service.
I would much rather this and the RV1 scrapped than a more useful service.
I think the 15H does perform a useful function, at least in the summer months. I think the 15 would struggle on its own with loadings to and from the tower. I think the RV1 is doomed though. I wonder how much a PVR increase would cost on the 15 compared to the 15H (Even if short workings between Aldgate / Trafalgar Sq) |
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Post by busaholic on Aug 8, 2018 20:31:30 GMT
Here's a radical proposal. Withdraw the 15H altogether from the TfL bus network, run it as a 'special service' in its present form, but double the fare, get the conductor doing a proper job for the first time, taking contactless cards and, most radical of all, shock! horror!, CASH!!! Conductors to receive a commission on all cash sales, as an inducement. The route would have to be renumbered to make it clear it's no longer a 15, I suggest RM1. Extend it up Regent Street to the Conduit Street stand, and allow boarding there. Also, create a new stop at Tower Hill just for this route. The cable cars in San Francisco pay for themselves, as well as helping to draw many to the city, and there's no reason why the RMs should not do the same, once TfL have worked out a way of getting traffic in the area to move at more than 3 mph!
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