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Post by danorak on Apr 2, 2019 20:13:06 GMT
I wold like more routes merge 159 or the 59 merge with 139, merge with 2,N2 merge with 13 merge and the 74 N74 merge with 274 As you probably know, many of those were joined in the past and were an operational nightmare. To take one example, the West Hampstead end of the 159 was notoriously unreliable.
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Post by sid on Apr 2, 2019 20:30:08 GMT
I wold like more routes merge 159 or the 59 merge with 139, merge with 2,N2 merge with 13 merge and the 74 N74 merge with 274 I certainly think the 2/13 are feasible in some form, I'm not sure about the 74/274 now that the latter goes to Islington, probably better merging the 74/430 at the other end of the route.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 2, 2019 21:13:38 GMT
If the 74 was cut to Marble Arch it could probably return to Roehampton. The question would be would the 74 cope alone without the overlap and now the 430 has a unique section along the Old Brompton Road.
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Post by george on Apr 2, 2019 21:23:04 GMT
If the 74 was cut to Marble Arch it could probably return to Roehampton. The question would be would the 74 cope alone without the overlap and now the 430 has a unique section along the Old Brompton Road. I'm quite a regular user of the 430 and do just about the full route. It's never busy so IMO the future of the route must be bleak.
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Post by sid on Apr 2, 2019 21:45:23 GMT
If the 74 was cut to Marble Arch it could probably return to Roehampton. The question would be would the 74 cope alone without the overlap and now the 430 has a unique section along the Old Brompton Road. I'm quite a regular user of the 430 and do just about the full route. It's never busy so IMO the future of the route must be bleak. I thought the 74/430 split was a bad idea in the first place and it might be remembered something similar was tried with a 264 route years earlier and that wasn't a success either. Just extend either the 14 or 74 to Roehampton and bin the 430.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 22:12:30 GMT
Back in the day when there were long routes, there was little if any, financial incentive to ensure a good service at points extreme to the route. There was also widespread sectional operation which split the routes anyway, with end to end running only occurring in early mornings or late evenings. And also, joint garage allocations.
So citing traffic as a reason for not having long routes isn’t the whole reason. It’s also tendering, privatisation and enhanced quality measures leading to financial penalties regarding lost mileage.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 2, 2019 22:22:54 GMT
If the 74 was cut to Marble Arch it could probably return to Roehampton. The question would be would the 74 cope alone without the overlap and now the 430 has a unique section along the Old Brompton Road. I'm quite a regular user of the 430 and do just about the full route. It's never busy so IMO the future of the route must be bleak. I got to admit, your the first person who has said they're a regular user of the 430 and said it's quiet - everyone else I spoke to says it justifies it's existence and the times I've seen & used it, it certainly did. I remember that Saturday journey I did on it from Roehampton to South Kensington and it was absolutely rammed solid. For me, it's one that should be left alone but hey I'm not local so my opinion doesn't count.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 2, 2019 22:24:55 GMT
I wold like more routes merge 159 or the 59 merge with 139, merge with 2,N2 merge with 13 merge and the 74 N74 merge with 274 I certainly think the 2/13 are feasible in some form, I'm not sure about the 74/274 now that the latter goes to Islington, probably better merging the 74/430 at the other end of the route. The 2 merged with the 13 is not feasible at all in today's climate - all the ideas suggested are bordering on fantasy. Merging the 59 & 139 would leave both ends with awful services and would end up putting people off using buses.
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Post by sid on Apr 2, 2019 22:29:40 GMT
I certainly think the 2/13 are feasible in some form, I'm not sure about the 74/274 now that the latter goes to Islington, probably better merging the 74/430 at the other end of the route. The 2 merged with the 13 is not feasible at all in today's climate - all the ideas suggested are bordering on fantasy. Merging the 59 & 139 would leave both ends with awful services and would end up putting people off using buses. Well that's your opinion to which you are entitled but clearly some people think differently. I don't think there is much point keep arguing the same thing.
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Post by george on Apr 2, 2019 22:38:45 GMT
I'm quite a regular user of the 430 and do just about the full route. It's never busy so IMO the future of the route must be bleak. I got to admit, your the first person who has said they're a regular user of the 430 and said it's quiet - everyone else I spoke to says it justifies it's existence and the times I've seen & used it, it certainly did. I remember that Saturday journey I did on it from Roehampton to South Kensington and it was absolutely rammed solid. For me, it's one that should be left alone but hey I'm not local so my opinion doesn't count. The Roehamton to putney bit is definitely well used but many 430s I have been on are never that busy after that stop. it could be due to the fact of getting the route outside of rush hour. I went on it yesterday just after 8pm and from south ken to Putney there was never more than 4 people upstairs.
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Post by sid on Apr 2, 2019 22:47:00 GMT
I got to admit, your the first person who has said they're a regular user of the 430 and said it's quiet - everyone else I spoke to says it justifies it's existence and the times I've seen & used it, it certainly did. I remember that Saturday journey I did on it from Roehampton to South Kensington and it was absolutely rammed solid. For me, it's one that should be left alone but hey I'm not local so my opinion doesn't count. The Roehamton to putney bit is definitely well used but many 430s I have been on are never that busy after that stop. it could be due to the fact of getting the route outside of rush hour. I went on it yesterday just after 8pm and from south ken to Putney there was never more than 4 people upstairs. That's been my experience too, busy at the Roehampton end but pretty much empty north of Putney Bridge. If necessary the 190 could be extended from West Brompton to South Kensington to replace that bit of the 430, the rest is covered by the 74.
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Post by george on Apr 2, 2019 22:57:45 GMT
The Roehamton to putney bit is definitely well used but many 430s I have been on are never that busy after that stop. it could be due to the fact of getting the route outside of rush hour. I went on it yesterday just after 8pm and from south ken to Putney there was never more than 4 people upstairs. That's been my experience too, busy at the Roehampton end but pretty much empty north of Putney Bridge. If necessary the 190 could be extended from West Brompton to South Kensington to replace that bit of the 430, the rest is covered by the 74. 190 to South ken is a good idea. West Brom seems a bit of strange point to terminate given busy south Ken is just down the road.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 3, 2019 11:07:09 GMT
Seems that despite some of the C2 tiles have been removed where the 88 has replaced the route, the old parallel sections still have the old C2 tiles on them such as at Oxford Circus. Seems a bit silly someone's gone through half of the route removing tiles but not through the other half of the route.
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Post by sid on Apr 3, 2019 11:15:46 GMT
Seems that despite some of the C2 tiles have been removed where the 88 has replaced the route, the old parallel sections still have the old C2 tiles on them such as at Oxford Circus. Seems a bit silly someone's gone through half of the route removing tiles but not through the other half of the route. Doesn't greatly surprise me, I wonder how many of the staff responsible (presumably sub contractors) actually know what they're doing? Selfridges stop outside Baker Street station being a classic example.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 3, 2019 11:50:06 GMT
Seems that despite some of the C2 tiles have been removed where the 88 has replaced the route, the old parallel sections still have the old C2 tiles on them such as at Oxford Circus. Seems a bit silly someone's gone through half of the route removing tiles but not through the other half of the route. Doesn't greatly surprise me, I wonder how many of the staff responsible (presumably sub contractors) actually know what they're doing? Selfridges stop outside Baker Street station being a classic example. I don’t think it’s fair criticising frontline staff when no one knows the ins & outs.
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