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Post by sid on Apr 3, 2019 12:00:32 GMT
Doesn't greatly surprise me, I wonder how many of the staff responsible (presumably sub contractors) actually know what they're doing? Selfridges stop outside Baker Street station being a classic example. I don’t think it’s fair criticising frontline staff when no one knows the ins & outs. Clearly somebody isn't doing their job properly.
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Post by aaron1 on Apr 4, 2019 9:25:30 GMT
Merging the 59 and the 139 many not be a good idea but merging 139 and the 159 may be better and at same extended the 113 to waterloo more routes to merge the 8 and the 98 don't know what to do the with the N98 From Willesden to Stanmore bit and 1, N1 and 176 extended to Willesden via Marylebone the 6 and the 26 merge don't know how to make it work well
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 4, 2019 10:16:29 GMT
Sounds like going bcak in time. None of those will be re merging.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 4, 2019 11:56:29 GMT
Merging the 59 and the 139 many not be a good idea but merging 139 and the 159 may be better and at same extended the 113 to waterloo more routes to merge the 8 and the 98 don't know what to do the with the N98 From Willesden to Stanmore bit and 1, N1 and 176 extended to Willesden via Marylebone the 6 and the 26 merge don't know how to make it work well The 159 to West Hampstead could still be workable and it would still be able to go along Oxford Street if it was merged with the 139, assuming the intention is still to terminate it at Oxford Circus. The 159 is not workable to West Hampstead in the slightest in today’s climate - unless you significantly reduce congestion, none of these style routes are workable at all.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 4, 2019 11:59:34 GMT
Sounds like going bcak in time. None of those will be re merging. Exactly, and as I’ve said repeatedly, I love these old routes and I’ve done some on running days but in today’s climate, they’re not workable with the amount of congestion amongst other things and I’d much rather a reliable service than an enthusiasts dream route.
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Post by sid on Apr 4, 2019 12:48:21 GMT
Sounds like going bcak in time. None of those will be re merging. Exactly, and as I’ve said repeatedly, I love these old routes and I’ve done some on running days but in today’s climate, they’re not workable with the amount of congestion amongst other things and I’d much rather a reliable service than an enthusiasts dream route. Sorry but once again that is only your opinion and keep repeating it won't make it anymore valid than anybody elses opinion.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 5, 2019 17:53:30 GMT
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Post by John tuthill on Apr 5, 2019 18:39:05 GMT
Further proof that TFL are deaf, "66% were opposed to the changes"
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Post by sid on Apr 5, 2019 19:14:34 GMT
Was the driver really in tears? Forgive my cynicism but I do find this just a little bit over the top. I had a chat with a friendly driver on the route last Friday and whilst he was sad to see the route go he was fairly pragmatic about it. Nice touch arranging a little do in the pub, I wonder if any drivers went considering the distance involved? No great surprise that 66% were against it, I'm actually surprised it wasn't more than that, but we know these consultations are just a cosmetic exercise. I'm sure the locals liked having their own bespoke service and being tagged onto the end of the 88 won't seem quite so personal but I'm sure there are plenty of friendly drivers on the 88. In reality if they had kept the C2 and it was adjusted to meet demand it would probably be down to x20 minutes off peak.
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Post by kmkcheng on Apr 5, 2019 19:17:38 GMT
Obviously didn’t do too much research as they say the 88 is run by Metroline
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Post by rif153 on Apr 5, 2019 19:33:57 GMT
“I’ve been on the C2 bus a number of times from Swain’s Lane up to Regent’s Park. What I really like about it are the great big windows with the great view, which the 88 doesn’t have.”
Maybe I'm just being stupid, but what is he on about? The 88 uses the old C2 routeing betwen Great Portland Street and Parliament Hill Fields and uses the same buses. Seemed a bizzare comment when I was reading the article
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 19:40:09 GMT
The C2 lives on according to bus stops between Oxford Circus and Great Portland Street.
The negative impact will soon be felt when the 88 gets disrupted due to demos in the Parliament Square and Whitehall areas.
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Post by busaholic on Apr 5, 2019 19:43:02 GMT
Obviously didn’t do too much research as they say the 88 is run by Metroline Irrelevant to the public, as it is to the argument for axeing the C2. What could, maybe should, have been mentioned somewhere in the report is that taking away the extension to Victoria destroyed a lot of the value of the route together with a lot of patronage, including at offpeak times. A complete TfL own goal!
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Post by rif153 on Apr 5, 2019 19:47:04 GMT
The C2 lives on according to bus stops between Oxford Circus and Great Portland Street. The negative impact will soon be felt when the 88 gets disrupted due to demos in the Parliament Square and Whitehall areas. I presume the 88 will run a split service which will be Piccadilly Circus-PHF and Vauxhall-Clapham Common. I did the 88 end to end on New Year's Eve when it was diverted via the Strand, Waterloo Bridge, York Road, County Hall, Lambeth Palace Road and Lambeth Bridge. It was unbearably slow between Trafalgar Square and Lambeth Palace and the whole route took around 90-100 minutes end to end. God knows how long it would take with the PHF extension. My TFL weekend closures email informs me there is a demo tommorow so check LVF to see the service go to pot
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Post by sid on Apr 5, 2019 19:53:33 GMT
Obviously didn’t do too much research as they say the 88 is run by Metroline Irrelevant to the public, as it is to the argument for axeing the C2. What could, maybe should, have been mentioned somewhere in the report is that taking away the extension to Victoria destroyed a lot of the value of the route together with a lot of patronage, including at offpeak times. A complete TfL own goal! Not really, the route returned to it's original format. Back then heavy loadings necessitated double deckers but times change and the demand isn't there anymore.
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