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Post by vjaska on Apr 11, 2020 14:39:32 GMT
Interesting choices. Do agree with the 137 as the first stop down Park Lane is a walk from Oxford Street. Probably 23 to Aldwych or Trafalgar Square and the 8 back to Oxford Circus for sure so atleast the old 25 route can be done with one change (25 and 8 changing at either Bow Church or City Thameslink) and would restore a Bank to Oxford Circus link. The 8 should really have gone back if just to maintain a proper city to west end route. 73 and 390 swap didnt bother me too much as I think the 94 and 148 are ok to NHG and the 390 maintains the 73 between Kings X and Victoria and Angel still has the 38. I agree with the first bit including the 8 back to Oxford Circus but I'd have the 25 to Holborn rather than current terminus which really is very poor. The east of the city & south of the river have been arguably hit hardest by the changes so rightly that they're concentrated on. I know what I'd like to do with Oxford Street & Wigmore Street in general but it's very controversial. |
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Post by londonboy71 on Apr 11, 2020 14:46:16 GMT
In a word, no. Absolutely no. Here in Bexley, we have little interest in travel to Lakeside when Bluewater is so much easier to get to. I’m rather more positive about the X80’s credentials than snoggle: the X80 seems to be doing well on my observations but a TfL service would kill it stone dead. My proposal was not necessarily about linking Bexleyheath or indeed Dartford with Lakeside, but rather linking these two parts of London, Romford and Dartford/Bexleyheath. From there other continued journeys are open. It would save travelling into central London and out again. I live in Ilford but regularly travel to Bexleyheath to my barbers,( there's a great barbershop in Pickford Lane), it's so time consuming. What's really needed is a new bridge, Rainham to Erith would be ideal, though I've read somewhere that a Thamesmead to Barking bridge was mooted. I don't know the X80 , but if it's a stopping service then it shouldn't suffer from a new TFL non stopping route. Aren't there any barbers in Ilford?? |
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Post by 6HP502C on Apr 11, 2020 14:54:52 GMT
My proposal was not necessarily about linking Bexleyheath or indeed Dartford with Lakeside, but rather linking these two parts of London, Romford and Dartford/Bexleyheath. From there other continued journeys are open. It would save travelling into central London and out again. I live in Ilford but regularly travel to Bexleyheath to my barbers,( there's a great barbershop in Pickford Lane), it's so time consuming. What's really needed is a new bridge, Rainham to Erith would be ideal, though I've read somewhere that a Thamesmead to Barking bridge was mooted. I don't know the X80 , but if it's a stopping service then it shouldn't suffer from a new TFL non stopping route. Aren't there any barbers in Ilford?? Some people tend to be fiercely loyal to their barbers. Despite moving out of the area I still trip to Dulwich for a haircut/shave which I've been going to for about 16 years and Brixton to get my canerow done at the hairdressers. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 11, 2020 15:32:52 GMT
The 6, 10 (despite being withdrawn) and the old 13. Those routes got really good usage along Oxford Street. If I could I'd also put the 23 back. No only 3 routes lol. No bonus routes ok 6, 23 & 137 |
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Post by rif153 on Apr 11, 2020 19:57:32 GMT
If you could put 3 routes back along Oxford Street which ones? Reinstate the 10, have the 23 running Westbourne Park-Aldywch and extend the 25 back to Oxford Circus |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 11, 2020 20:08:45 GMT
Even back in days of reductions and cuts in the 80s a link would still have been maintained from the city to Oxford Circus. Its funny now but the 242 always seemed the poor relation only going to TCR when the 8 and 25 went to Oxo and Victoria. At the moment the 8 doesn't even reach TCR.
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Post by 725DYE on Apr 11, 2020 22:38:42 GMT
I feel as if local MPs are very against Sadiq as a lot of them disagreed with the WLBC and CLBC. What I hope is we get a mayor who takes on local opinions more than sadiq did and not just focus on the financial status. Yes, Sadiq was being very good in reducing the amount of buses along Oxford Street and therefore reducing more traffic but I just don't know if everyone's up for voting after what he's done to people's local routes. I'd also like Geoff Hobbs gone. The local constituents in my area are furious about the lack of attention towards local public transportation improvements. In fact, the only time I can recall Khan paying any attention towards any form of bus changes in my area was in 2018 when Khan pledged to cull the 166, a foolish move given its connectivity to Epsom Hospital (at a time when the mayor was heavily in favour of improving hospital links), as well as the fact that it terminated at the then transport secretary Chris Grayling's constituency, MP for Epsom and Ewell, who had a heavy involvement in local transport improvements. Yes granted, the 166 is part funded by SCC, but it was recently given the go-ahead for a further 5 years of cooperative TFL and SCC funding at the time at which Khan pledged to withdraw the route - needless to say his ridiculous proposal failed. And that is the one example of any mayoral intervention into any transportation changes in my area in recent years. People on the city outskirts, especially in Sutton (consistently the worst connected borough of London) feel outraged by the lack of attention to their part of the city. Its two constituencies have been rather volatile, with narrow majorities for the conservatives and the liberal democrats since 1997, but this seems to have stabilised in favour of the tories who have pledged to improve local connectivity, including an extension of the overground to Sutton and a new Sutton branch of the Tramlink. The issue is, apart from some past mention of the Tramlink extension, there has seemingly never been any acknowledgement by Khan of the necessary transportation improvements badly needed. The Go-Sutton scheme has been a step in the right direction, but this has largely been an effort by the local council and yet remains temporary for now. By no means was Johnson a perfect Mayor, but I badly hope that Khan can become a mayor for all of London, acknowledging MPs and constituents in the outer-suburbs demanding more involvement and change. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 11, 2020 23:01:16 GMT
I feel as if local MPs are very against Sadiq as a lot of them disagreed with the WLBC and CLBC. What I hope is we get a mayor who takes on local opinions more than sadiq did and not just focus on the financial status. Yes, Sadiq was being very good in reducing the amount of buses along Oxford Street and therefore reducing more traffic but I just don't know if everyone's up for voting after what he's done to people's local routes. I'd also like Geoff Hobbs gone. The local constituents in my area are furious about the lack of attention towards local public transportation improvements. In fact, the only time I can recall Khan paying any attention towards any form of bus changes in my area was in 2018 when Khan pledged to cull the 166, a foolish move given its connectivity to Epsom Hospital (at a time when the mayor was heavily in favour of improving hospital links), as well as the fact that it terminated at the then transport secretary Chris Grayling's constituency, MP for Epsom and Ewell, who had a heavy involvement in local transport improvements. Yes granted, the 166 is part funded by SCC, but it was recently given the go-ahead for a further 5 years of cooperative TFL and SCC funding at the time at which Khan pledged to withdraw the route - needless to say his ridiculous proposal failed. And that is the one example of any mayoral intervention into any transportation changes in my area in recent years. People on the city outskirts, especially in Sutton (consistently the worst connected borough of London) feel outraged by the lack of attention to their part of the city. Its two constituencies have been rather volatile, with narrow majorities for the conservatives and the liberal democrats since 1997, but this seems to have stabilised in favour of the tories who have pledged to improve local connectivity, including an extension of the overground to Sutton and a new Sutton branch of the Tramlink. The issue is, apart from some past mention of the Tramlink extension, there has seemingly never been any acknowledgement by Khan of the necessary transportation improvements badly needed. The Go-Sutton scheme has been a step in the right direction, but this has largely been an effort by the local council and yet remains temporary for now. By no means was Johnson a perfect Mayor, but I badly hope that Khan can become a mayor for all of London, acknowledging MPs and constituents in the outer-suburbs demanding more involvement and change. I think there seems to be a fundamental link here. That part of London is going to be a Tory/Lib Dem battle. Labour don't stand much of a chance, so I wonder if the policy of not flogging a dead horse is being used. Khan could probably throw loads of improvements however it'll be a Tory win at the election. The improvements could probably be better in places which could unexpectedly swing away from Labour - such as those who are Labour stronghold MP seats but voted for Boris in 2008. All polls at the moment show a borderline landslide for Khan at the 2021 election, it seems increasingly likely that we will have another 4 years with him at the helm. Like with Boris that will give him an opportunity to get back into parliament at the 2024 general election. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 11, 2020 23:06:13 GMT
Undoubtedly the reason the 19 was saved. Battersea and Kensington and Chelsea have been marginal for Labour and Conservatives in local and general elections compared with the not a hells chance of Labour winning in Sutton and the safe Labour areas along the 48 route.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 12, 2020 1:39:25 GMT
Undoubtedly the reason the 19 was saved. Battersea and Kensington and Chelsea have been marginal for Labour and Conservatives in local and general elections compared with the not a hells chance of Labour winning in Sutton and the safe Labour areas along the 48 route. Local Labour politicians in the Battersea area launched campaigns to save the 19 which I suspect had more bearing on that particular route but I think the other Kings Road routes involved didn’t have the same publicity or any campaigns fought for them. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 12, 2020 6:25:57 GMT
Even back in days of reductions and cuts in the 80s a link would still have been maintained from the city to Oxford Circus. Its funny now but the 242 always seemed the poor relation only going to TCR when the 8 and 25 went to Oxo and Victoria. At the moment the 8 doesn't even reach TCR. Indeed, I even remember being shocked when route 22b, predecessor to route 242, was withdrawn between TCR and Piccadilly Circus. This severed the Chancery Lane - Piccadilly Circus link which does not even have a direct Underground link like Bank - Oxford Circus for example. It's a pity that TfL insufficiently priorise direct bus links in central London where there is no direct Underground link. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 12, 2020 6:47:55 GMT
Without any doubt in the 80s or 90s and probably still up to 2015 the 8 would have replaced the 25 to Oxo.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 12, 2020 7:21:13 GMT
With Khan at the helm, he's going to have to throw so many improvements to London in order to be voted for. Khan in many local constitutencies has been seen as controversial, and local MPs clearly aren't standing by his decisions. I hope he isn't mayor for another round, I can't see the network fall to pieces.
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Post by rif153 on Apr 12, 2020 8:30:15 GMT
The local constituents in my area are furious about the lack of attention towards local public transportation improvements. In fact, the only time I can recall Khan paying any attention towards any form of bus changes in my area was in 2018 when Khan pledged to cull the 166, a foolish move given its connectivity to Epsom Hospital (at a time when the mayor was heavily in favour of improving hospital links), as well as the fact that it terminated at the then transport secretary Chris Grayling's constituency, MP for Epsom and Ewell, who had a heavy involvement in local transport improvements. Yes granted, the 166 is part funded by SCC, but it was recently given the go-ahead for a further 5 years of cooperative TFL and SCC funding at the time at which Khan pledged to withdraw the route - needless to say his ridiculous proposal failed. And that is the one example of any mayoral intervention into any transportation changes in my area in recent years. People on the city outskirts, especially in Sutton (consistently the worst connected borough of London) feel outraged by the lack of attention to their part of the city. Its two constituencies have been rather volatile, with narrow majorities for the conservatives and the liberal democrats since 1997, but this seems to have stabilised in favour of the tories who have pledged to improve local connectivity, including an extension of the overground to Sutton and a new Sutton branch of the Tramlink. The issue is, apart from some past mention of the Tramlink extension, there has seemingly never been any acknowledgement by Khan of the necessary transportation improvements badly needed. The Go-Sutton scheme has been a step in the right direction, but this has largely been an effort by the local council and yet remains temporary for now. By no means was Johnson a perfect Mayor, but I badly hope that Khan can become a mayor for all of London, acknowledging MPs and constituents in the outer-suburbs demanding more involvement and change. I think there seems to be a fundamental link here. That part of London is going to be a Tory/Lib Dem battle. Labour don't stand much of a chance, so I wonder if the policy of not flogging a dead horse is being used. Khan could probably throw loads of improvements however it'll be a Tory win at the election. The improvements could probably be better in places which could unexpectedly swing away from Labour - such as those who are Labour stronghold MP seats but voted for Boris in 2008. All polls at the moment show a borderline landslide for Khan at the 2021 election, it seems increasingly likely that we will have another 4 years with him at the helm. Like with Boris that will give him an opportunity to get back into parliament at the 2024 general election. I think we'll see Sadiq Khan win in the first round, assuming the coronavirus is over by then I think Starmer will have helped shift the polls sufficiently to increase Labour's popularity to allow Khan to win in round one, as it is a round one win was within the margin of error of that poll which put him on 49%. If I were a Labour strategist I wouldn't be concerned about the London mayoral election at all, I'd be far more concerned about the Scottish Parliament election in 2021 given the abysmal state of Scottish Labour who are the third largest party in Holyrood behind the SNP and the Tories and for the first time since 1918 have less parliamentary seats in that the Scottish Liberals/Lib Dems. |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 12, 2020 13:00:40 GMT
With Khan at the helm, he's going to have to throw so many improvements to London in order to be voted for. Khan in many local constitutencies has been seen as controversial, and local MPs clearly aren't standing by his decisions. I hope he isn't mayor for another round, I can't see the network fall to pieces. I'm not so sure that's the case - apart from the outer boroughs with exceptions, London is practically controlled by Labour partly because of the EU referendum which London voted unanimously against leaving but the outer boroughs generally were in favour of leave. Since that time, I can't recall Labour losing any seats in London unlike the Tories or Lib Dems and they've certainly gained some such as Putney. It's true some are unhappy are him but sadly, many quite like him with his populist policies so I'm afraid we're likely stuck with him for a second term and even if not, the Tory candidate isn't much better and probably not interested in the bus network at all. |
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