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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 15:37:36 GMT
no need for everyone to be attacking each other, none of us are experts and we all have our own opinions. theres no need for all this fighting back. if you don’t agree, you don’t and if you do, you do. The biggest problem here is toys are thrown the minute anyone challenges a proposal even if a more knowledgeable local knows a route more. The route change and cuts speculation has gotten a bit out of hand, I would understand if TfL had launched a consultation for cuts but they haven't
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Post by greg on Aug 6, 2020 15:38:12 GMT
if a route were to be removed from the Baker Street-Marble Arch corridor I can’t see any either than the 274. It doesn’t get the patronage with the links it provides which seem busy, and yes I am local its near my school and also a walk away at two parts of the route. Also, instead of cutting a route let’s not forget about Dorchester Road which has become two-way which the 2, 30 and 74 serve eastbound. You can reroute the 274 both ways down Dorchester Road and then remove the 274 down Park Road. Would bring the 274 to Marylebone also.
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Post by george on Aug 6, 2020 15:40:51 GMT
I don't think merging the 74 and 274 is that good of an idea if I'm going to be honest. The 74 takes ages in rush hour and merging it won't be helpful. I don't have an experience of using the 274 but when in London I would 80% of the time choose a 14 or 22 over the 74 to get to Putney as they are much quicker. The 14 and 22 are definitely quicker between Central London and Putney although I don't quite see what that has got to do with extending the 74 to Camden Town? Anyway if it's not viable the only other way I can see of reducing the number of buses between Oxford Street and Baker Street is cut the 2 and/or 74 to Marble Arch and the 189 and/or the 274 to Baker Street Station. I'm not saying the 14 and 22 have got anything to do with the 74 change. The point I was trying to make was that the 74 is a slow route which takes ages to travel from Putney to Central London so extending it further North wouldn't be a good idea. I was using the 14 and 22 of routes I'd rather use to get to Putney from central London.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 6, 2020 15:43:04 GMT
The 14 and 22 are definitely quicker between Central London and Putney although I don't quite see what that has got to do with extending the 74 to Camden Town? Anyway if it's not viable the only other way I can see of reducing the number of buses between Oxford Street and Baker Street is cut the 2 and/or 74 to Marble Arch and the 189 and/or the 274 to Baker Street Station. I'm not saying the 14 and 22 have got anything to do with the 74 change. The point I was trying to make was that the 74 is a slow route which takes ages to travel from Putney to Central London so extending it further North wouldn't be a good idea. I was using the 14 and 22 of routes I'd rather use to get to Putney from central London. It would be about the same length as the 88 and that works OK.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 6, 2020 15:45:32 GMT
no need for everyone to be attacking each other, none of us are experts and we all have our own opinions. theres no need for all this fighting back. if you don’t agree, you don’t and if you do, you do. I totally agree and if people don't like the subject they don't have to participate, the title of the thread is self explainitary.
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Post by greg on Aug 6, 2020 15:45:35 GMT
I don't think merging the 74 and 274 is that good of an idea if I'm going to be honest. The 74 takes ages in rush hour and merging it won't be helpful. I don't have an experience of using the 274 but when in London I would 80% of the time choose a 14 or 22 over the 74 to get to Putney as they are much quicker. The 14 and 22 are definitely quicker between Central London and Putney although I don't quite see what that has got to do with extending the 74 to Camden Town? Anyway if it's not viable the only other way I can see of reducing the number of buses between Oxford Street and Baker Street is cut the 2 and/or 74 to Marble Arch and the 189 and/or the 274 to Baker Street Station. 113 instead of 189. 189 gets a lot more passengers than the 113. It may not seem, but the 189 is kind of like a trunk Central-North West London route linking Kilburn, Cricklewood and Brent Cross with Baker Street and Selfridges. The 16 is similar too but via Edgware Road.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 6, 2020 15:48:18 GMT
The 14 and 22 are definitely quicker between Central London and Putney although I don't quite see what that has got to do with extending the 74 to Camden Town? Anyway if it's not viable the only other way I can see of reducing the number of buses between Oxford Street and Baker Street is cut the 2 and/or 74 to Marble Arch and the 189 and/or the 274 to Baker Street Station. 113 instead of 189. 189 gets a lot more passengers than the 113. It may not seem, but the 189 is kind of like a trunk Central-North West London route linking Kilburn, Cricklewood and Brent Cross with Baker Street and Selfridges. The 16 is similar too but via Edgware Road. I think the 113 still has quite a heavy commuter usage, or at least it did pre covid, and I think there would be quite an outcry about that although I wouldn't rule it out.
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Post by george on Aug 6, 2020 15:49:04 GMT
I'm not saying the 14 and 22 have got anything to do with the 74 change. The point I was trying to make was that the 74 is a slow route which takes ages to travel from Putney to Central London so extending it further North wouldn't be a good idea. I was using the 14 and 22 of routes I'd rather use to get to Putney from central London. It would be about the same length as the 88 and that works OK. That's true however I wouldn't say it's a one size fits all approach. Maybe it will work perfectly fine.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 6, 2020 15:53:06 GMT
@greg I'm wondering why you think tfl will cut anything at the moment. Isn't public transport supposed to be accessible for all? Not going to lie I feel as if Geoff Hobbs is influencing these major decisions and I'm wondering if he's capitalist because I certainly can't imagine a labour Mayor being capitalist. It’s always supposed to be accessible, I only do think TFL will be cutting things because of their financial situation, not that they’re doing it for fun, but realistic thinking you realise they will have to in the upcoming/near future. They have lost a lot of money and need to save to keep them alive. Capitalism at its finest. "Saving money?" Who's creating the fares? I find it ridiculous why my local bus service should be at risk to be diminished because of the p*sspoor planning of fares, if you are having problems then up them a bit! Or merge services and increase the number of bus lanes
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 6, 2020 16:07:15 GMT
It’s always supposed to be accessible, I only do think TFL will be cutting things because of their financial situation, not that they’re doing it for fun, but realistic thinking you realise they will have to in the upcoming/near future. They have lost a lot of money and need to save to keep them alive. Capitalism at its finest. "Saving money?" Who's creating the fares? I find it ridiculous why my local bus service should be at risk to be diminished because of the p*sspoor planning of fares, if you are having problems then up them a bit! Or merge services and increase the number of bus lanes It is the Mayor that has decreed the fare freeze ... so it you are calling him a capitalist, yes then blame them ... otherwise your proportion of blame is wrongly attributed.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 6, 2020 16:10:02 GMT
Capitalism at its finest. "Saving money?" Who's creating the fares? I find it ridiculous why my local bus service should be at risk to be diminished because of the p*sspoor planning of fares, if you are having problems then up them a bit! Or merge services and increase the number of bus lanes It is the Mayor that has decreed the fare freeze ... so it you are calling him a capitalist, yes then blame them ... otherwise your proportion of blame is wrongly attributed. What I find capitalist is their consistent "profit" mindset on something that should be public.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 6, 2020 16:14:08 GMT
It’s always supposed to be accessible, I only do think TFL will be cutting things because of their financial situation, not that they’re doing it for fun, but realistic thinking you realise they will have to in the upcoming/near future. They have lost a lot of money and need to save to keep them alive. Capitalism at its finest. "Saving money?" Who's creating the fares? I find it ridiculous why my local bus service should be at risk to be diminished because of the p*sspoor planning of fares, if you are having problems then up them a bit! Or merge services and increase the number of bus lanes I've suggested merging certain routes...... putting fares up will drive more users away and I don't think there's much scope for more bus lanes.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 6, 2020 16:31:44 GMT
Capitalism at its finest. "Saving money?" Who's creating the fares? I find it ridiculous why my local bus service should be at risk to be diminished because of the p*sspoor planning of fares, if you are having problems then up them a bit! Or merge services and increase the number of bus lanes I've suggested merging certain routes...... putting fares up will drive more users away and I don't think there's much scope for more bus lanes. With explanation that routes would have to be cut, I think a rise to £1.70 for adults and £0.20 for children is reasonable.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 6, 2020 16:39:21 GMT
It’s always supposed to be accessible, I only do think TFL will be cutting things because of their financial situation, not that they’re doing it for fun, but realistic thinking you realise they will have to in the upcoming/near future. They have lost a lot of money and need to save to keep them alive. Capitalism at its finest. "Saving money?" Who's creating the fares? I find it ridiculous why my local bus service should be at risk to be diminished because of the p*sspoor planning of fares, if you are having problems then up them a bit! Or merge services and increase the number of bus lanes Upping fares wont bring in anywhere near as much money as neded hence why there was always a large subsidy from central government.
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Post by greg on Aug 6, 2020 16:40:54 GMT
It’s always supposed to be accessible, I only do think TFL will be cutting things because of their financial situation, not that they’re doing it for fun, but realistic thinking you realise they will have to in the upcoming/near future. They have lost a lot of money and need to save to keep them alive. Capitalism at its finest. "Saving money?" Who's creating the fares? I find it ridiculous why my local bus service should be at risk to be diminished because of the p*sspoor planning of fares, if you are having problems then up them a bit! Or merge services and increase the number of bus lanes Your getting really heated for no reason, it’s really not that serious. It’s just speculation and at the end of the day you’re acting very immature. If the 24 is your local, then ok. It is also mine, and has been for 14 years. I see it from my window all my life, so I feel I can comment about it. If you also think TFL will care, then please speak some more. Because they won’t. TFL have done a lot of things that loads of commuters don’t like and have done nothing to change them. The 25 cut is an example. Please speak with a lower tone.
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