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Post by sid on Oct 19, 2018 5:04:55 GMT
It is not general etiquette it is the law. The fact it is rarely ever enforced does not change this fact! If you don't stop and hit someone you WILL be prosecuted. It is not the pedestrians fault. You are right, and if you are 'unlucky' enough to be caught by a policeman for failing to stop at a zebra crossing you can be prosecuted even if there's no accident. I suspect you'll never hear about the vast majority of prosecutions as they don't make the news. There is no law that states that you have to stop if somebody is waiting to cross. www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/908627/Zebra-crossing-rules-law-fine-cars-Highway-Code |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 19, 2018 8:58:43 GMT
Seems you are in the worryingly large majority that had no idea. Direct quote from highway code. www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/pedestrian-crossings.html#195 Zebra crossings. As you approach a zebra crossing look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross you MUST give way when a pedestrian has moved onto a crossingallow more time for stopping on wet or icy roads do not wave or use your horn to invite pedestrians across; this could be dangerous if another vehicle is approaching be aware of pedestrians approaching from the side of the crossing. Azebra crossing with a central island is two separate crossings (see pictures in Crossings (18 to 30)). Law ZPPPCRGD reg 25 Definition of must. en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/mustMODAL VERB 1Be obliged to; should (expressing necessity) ‘you must show your ID card’ ‘the essay mustn't be over 2,000 words’ ‘she said she must be going’ The article you quote even contains that very statement!!!! |
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Post by sid on Oct 19, 2018 9:06:04 GMT
Seems you are in the worryingly large majority that had no idea. Direct quote from highway code. www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/pedestrian-crossings.html#195 Zebra crossings. As you approach a zebra crossing look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross you MUST give way when a pedestrian has moved onto a crossingallow more time for stopping on wet or icy roads do not wave or use your horn to invite pedestrians across; this could be dangerous if another vehicle is approaching be aware of pedestrians approaching from the side of the crossing. Azebra crossing with a central island is two separate crossings (see pictures in Crossings (18 to 30)). Law ZPPPCRGD reg 25 I don't dispute that but what it does not say is that you must stop for a pedestrian waiting to cross, obviously if they are in the process of crossing then it's a different matter. |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 19, 2018 9:07:15 GMT
Seems you are in the worryingly large majority that had no idea. Direct quote from highway code. www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/pedestrian-crossings.html#195 Zebra crossings. As you approach a zebra crossing look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross you MUST give way when a pedestrian has moved onto a crossingallow more time for stopping on wet or icy roads do not wave or use your horn to invite pedestrians across; this could be dangerous if another vehicle is approaching be aware of pedestrians approaching from the side of the crossing. Azebra crossing with a central island is two separate crossings (see pictures in Crossings (18 to 30)). Law ZPPPCRGD reg 25 I don't dispute that but what it does not say is that you must stop for a pedestrian waiting to cross, obviously if they are in the process of crossing then it's a different matter. As soon as you have a toe on the crossing it does |
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Post by sid on Oct 19, 2018 9:17:23 GMT
I don't dispute that but what it does not say is that you must stop for a pedestrian waiting to cross, obviously if they are in the process of crossing then it's a different matter. As soon as you have a toe on the crossing it does Yes as I said if the pedestrian is already in the process of crossing it's a different matter but the pedestrian also has some responsibility to ensure it's safe to set foot on the crossing. |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 19, 2018 9:21:03 GMT
As soon as you have a toe on the crossing it does Yes as I said if the pedestrian is already in the process of crossing it's a different matter but the pedestrian also has some responsibility to ensure it's safe to set foot on the crossing. So if I stand with a toe on the crossing the pedestrian has the right of way and other road users are obligated by law to stop .... Agreed? Now are you aware where a crossing legally begins? |
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Post by sid on Oct 19, 2018 9:25:47 GMT
Yes as I said if the pedestrian is already in the process of crossing it's a different matter but the pedestrian also has some responsibility to ensure it's safe to set foot on the crossing. So if I stand with a toe on the crossing the pedestrian has the right of way and other road users are obligated by law to stop .... Agreed? Now are you aware where a crossing legally begins? If a pedestrian sets foot on the crossing without looking and gets hit by a vehicle or bike that is in close proximity and travelling within the speed limit then then it's basically their own fault. |
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Post by ronnie on Oct 19, 2018 9:35:40 GMT
At bank junction today morning - a cyclist coming from Cornhill went through the red light after it had changed, took a banned right turn onto Princes Street, bang in front of an eastbound 8. The driver had to literally stomp on to the brakes to stop the bus! Luckily there was no bus immediately behind the 8 else there would have been a collision for sure
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 19, 2018 10:06:09 GMT
So if I stand with a toe on the crossing the pedestrian has the right of way and other road users are obligated by law to stop .... Agreed? Now are you aware where a crossing legally begins? If a pedestrian sets foot on the crossing without looking and gets hit by a vehicle or bike that is in close proximity and travelling within the speed limit then then it's basically their own fault Ok "stop if safe to do so" ... not suggesting an unsafe emergency stop is performed that would cause a potential rta. But the driver can not legally choose just to ignore the pedestrian if they can safely stop and are obligated to stop. Now what I can not find are those bumpy bits on the decline to the road, which identify to the visually impaired it is a pedestrian crossing considered part of the crossing or not. |
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Post by sid on Oct 19, 2018 10:11:39 GMT
If a pedestrian sets foot on the crossing without looking and gets hit by a vehicle or bike that is in close proximity and travelling within the speed limit then then it's basically their own fault Ok "stop if safe to do so" ... not suggesting an unsafe emergency stop is performed that would cause a potential rta. But the driver can not legally choose just to ignore the pedestrian if they can safely stop and are obligated to stop. Now what I can not find are those bumpy bits on the decline to the road, which identify to the visually impaired it is a pedestrian crossing considered part of the crossing or not. We're just going round in circles here, I think we've covered everything. |
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Post by sid on Oct 19, 2018 10:14:21 GMT
At bank junction today morning - a cyclist coming from Cornhill went through the red light after it had changed, took a banned right turn onto Princes Street, bang in front of an eastbound 8. The driver had to literally stomp on to the brakes to stop the bus! Luckily there was no bus immediately behind the 8 else there would have been a collision for sure No excuse for the cyclists actions but if there had been a bus behind the 8 and it rear ended then clearly the driver of that bus would be held responsible. |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 19, 2018 10:27:51 GMT
At bank junction today morning - a cyclist coming from Cornhill went through the red light after it had changed, took a banned right turn onto Princes Street, bang in front of an eastbound 8. The driver had to literally stomp on to the brakes to stop the bus! Luckily there was no bus immediately behind the 8 else there would have been a collision for sure No excuse for the cyclists actions but if there had been a bus behind the 8 and it rear ended then clearly the driver of that bus would be held responsible. Insurance wise yes as bikes are not required to be insured ... But if you have sufficient evidence ie dashcam, and able to identify rider, you can take the cyclist to court and the cyclist will probably be held responsible and could recover your costs ... but identifying the cyclist is the hard part! |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 19, 2018 11:12:08 GMT
Seems you are in the worryingly large majority that had no idea. Direct quote from highway code. www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/pedestrian-crossings.html#195 Zebra crossings. As you approach a zebra crossing look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross you MUST give way when a pedestrian has moved onto a crossingallow more time for stopping on wet or icy roads do not wave or use your horn to invite pedestrians across; this could be dangerous if another vehicle is approaching be aware of pedestrians approaching from the side of the crossing. Azebra crossing with a central island is two separate crossings (see pictures in Crossings (18 to 30)). Law ZPPPCRGD reg 25 I don't dispute that but what it does not say is that you must stop for a pedestrian waiting to cross, obviously if they are in the process of crossing then it's a different matter. What it does say is be ready to slow down or stop rather than just ignore the pedestrian and carry on driving. |
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Post by ronnie on Oct 19, 2018 13:15:02 GMT
No excuse for the cyclists actions but if there had been a bus behind the 8 and it rear ended then clearly the driver of that bus would be held responsible. Insurance wise yes as bikes are not required to be insured ... But if you have sufficient evidence ie dashcam, and able to identify rider, you can take the cyclist to court and the cyclist will probably be held responsible and could recover your costs ... but identifying the cyclist is the hard part! So essentially d*mned if you do, d*mned if you don’t. Don’t stop, cyclist gets run over, driver’s fault, evil buses theme plays on and on. Driver manages to stop, buses behind crash into it, again the driver’s fault... |
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Post by sid on Oct 19, 2018 14:06:26 GMT
Insurance wise yes as bikes are not required to be insured ... But if you have sufficient evidence ie dashcam, and able to identify rider, you can take the cyclist to court and the cyclist will probably be held responsible and could recover your costs ... but identifying the cyclist is the hard part! So essentially d*mned if you do, d*mned if you don’t. Don’t stop, cyclist gets run over, driver’s fault, evil buses theme plays on and on. Driver manages to stop, buses behind crash into it, again the driver’s fault... This is ridiculous. If a driver is too close to a vehicle in front and rear ends it then it's their fault, end of.
You are talking about something that didn't actually happen and a completely imaginary scenario.
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