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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 4, 2018 8:37:37 GMT
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Post by sid on Oct 4, 2018 9:12:14 GMT
As I've said before we are catching up on years of under investment, well no investment at all, in cycling infrastructure so there is going to be a disproportionately high level of spending on cycle lanes and such like. London has finally woken up to the benefits of making cycling a viable alternative to motor vehicles. I don't know how many are 'middle class or white' but there are a disproportionately high number of male cyclists in London simply because it's seen as dangerous and you have to be fairly macho to do it, that view seems to be gradually changing. Inevitably some cycle lanes will be empty at certain times just as some bus lanes are. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 4, 2018 9:38:08 GMT
Didn't John Trayner also say the same thing in that excellent article. I think the person in this article has actually made some good points and as usual, I notice people commenting on the article have missed his point entirely including some pro cyclists. If they want the reputation & perception of cyclists to change, at the very seriously listen to others. John Trayner had a very interesting idea regarding cycle lanes - make them retractable because his observations mentioned that were practically empty outside the peaks. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 4, 2018 9:40:45 GMT
As I've said before we are catching up on years of under investment, well no investment at all, in cycling infrastructure so there is going to be a disproportionately high level of spending on cycle lanes and such like. London has finally woken up to the benefits of making cycling a viable alternative to motor vehicles. I don't know how many are 'middle class or white' but there are a disproportionately high number of male cyclists in London simply because it's seen as dangerous and you have to be fairly macho to do it, that view seems to be gradually changing. Inevitably some cycle lanes will be empty at certain times just as some bus lanes are. Bus Lanes are only empty for a short period depending on the frequency along a road whereas cycle lanes can be empty between peaks. |
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Post by M1104 on Oct 4, 2018 9:53:11 GMT
I reckon some cycle lane traffic lights should have request buttons like with most pelican crossings, or at least have them adjusted to stay green less for cyclists off peak.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 15, 2018 22:24:45 GMT
As I've said before we are catching up on years of under investment, well no investment at all, in cycling infrastructure so there is going to be a disproportionately high level of spending on cycle lanes and such like. London has finally woken up to the benefits of making cycling a viable alternative to motor vehicles. I don't know how many are 'middle class or white' but there are a disproportionately high number of male cyclists in London simply because it's seen as dangerous and you have to be fairly macho to do it, that view seems to be gradually changing. Inevitably some cycle lanes will be empty at certain times just as some bus lanes are. The answer you gave is as I expected and its the same reason why John and many others wouldn't respect cyclists. Due to the nature of the arrogant pro cyclists. Its that left wing vegan type attitude, that anyone centre ground or right wing are evil and should be punished the same goes for anyone eating meat. |
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Post by busman on Oct 16, 2018 1:25:11 GMT
As I've said before we are catching up on years of under investment, well no investment at all, in cycling infrastructure so there is going to be a disproportionately high level of spending on cycle lanes and such like. London has finally woken up to the benefits of making cycling a viable alternative to motor vehicles. I don't know how many are 'middle class or white' but there are a disproportionately high number of male cyclists in London simply because it's seen as dangerous and you have to be fairly macho to do it, that view seems to be gradually changing. Inevitably some cycle lanes will be empty at certain times just as some bus lanes are. The answer you gave is as I expected and its the same reason why John and many others wouldn't respect cyclists. Due to the nature of the arrogant pro cyclists. Its that left wing vegan type attitude, that anyone centre ground or right wing are evil and should be punished the same goes for anyone eating meat. This post wins the forum today 😭😭😭 |
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Post by sid on Oct 16, 2018 5:13:32 GMT
As I've said before we are catching up on years of under investment, well no investment at all, in cycling infrastructure so there is going to be a disproportionately high level of spending on cycle lanes and such like. London has finally woken up to the benefits of making cycling a viable alternative to motor vehicles. I don't know how many are 'middle class or white' but there are a disproportionately high number of male cyclists in London simply because it's seen as dangerous and you have to be fairly macho to do it, that view seems to be gradually changing. Inevitably some cycle lanes will be empty at certain times just as some bus lanes are. The answer you gave is as I expected and its the same reason why John and many others wouldn't respect cyclists. Due to the nature of the arrogant pro cyclists. Its that left wing vegan type attitude, that anyone centre ground or right wing are evil and should be punished the same goes for anyone eating meat. So much stereotyping it's unreal, so all cyclists are left wing vegans are they? Yes at one time cycling in London did often attract a certain type of person, the combative alpha male type who was willing to confront the danger but as it's become safer it's attracted far more civilized people. |
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Post by redbus on Oct 18, 2018 16:17:59 GMT
The answer you gave is as I expected and its the same reason why John and many others wouldn't respect cyclists. Due to the nature of the arrogant pro cyclists. Its that left wing vegan type attitude, that anyone centre ground or right wing are evil and should be punished the same goes for anyone eating meat. So much stereotyping it's unreal, so all cyclists are left wing vegans are they? Yes at one time cycling in London did often attract a certain type of person, the combative alpha male type who was willing to confront the danger but as it's become safer it's attracted far more civilized people. There's good and bad with most things, and that includes car drivers and cyclists. Once upon a time (hard to believe I know) the powers that be wanted to encourage motoring, and things were done to make it easier to own and run a car. It was then realised we wouldn't have enough road space, and that along with other disadvantages about the car that gave the realisation that encouraging car usage wasn't right and we have had more and more restrictions ever since. Now we are repeating a similar cycle (forgive the pun) with bicycles. What we need is a balanced policy to help everyone get around as they need as well as supporting a modern economy.
I do notice more arrogance and rule breaking amongst cyclists than car drivers. I can't remember the last time a cyclist stopped for me at a zebra crossing, whilst it is very common for cars to. Likewise I can't remember the last day I have NOT seen a cyclist go against a red traffic light, and I don't mean just as the lights turn red. Yesterday a cyclist had the audacity to hoot me and swear at me for being in his way, that is for me daring to walk on the pavement which meant I was in his way as he wished to ride on the pavement. Sadly this type of behaviour is all too common and is what gives cyclists a bad name. If we could change this sort behaviour (and that won't happen whilst we encourage cycling at all costs), then there would be much more support for cycling.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 18, 2018 17:14:18 GMT
I do notice more arrogance and rule breaking amongst cyclists than car drivers. I can't remember the last time a cyclist stopped for me at a zebra crossing, whilst it is very common for cars to. Likewise I can't remember the last day I have NOT seen a cyclist go against a red traffic light, and I don't mean just as the lights turn red. Yesterday a cyclist had the audacity to hoot me and swear at me for being in his way, that is for me daring to walk on the pavement which meant I was in his way as he wished to ride on the pavement. Sadly this type of behaviour is all too common and is what gives cyclists a bad name. If we could change this sort behaviour (and that won't happen whilst we encourage cycling at all costs), then there would be much more support for cycling. I recently complained to a local WF councillor about the cycle paths near me pointing out various inadequacies if you're a pedestrian / bus user. Not had a reply but interesting to note a sudden flurry of activity with white paint to add extra zebra crossing marks on the cycle lanes and other markings, in outline, near my local bus stop. Obviously I can't know if my complaint has had any direct influence on any of this but the coincidence is startling.  |
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Post by redbus on Oct 18, 2018 18:10:59 GMT
I do notice more arrogance and rule breaking amongst cyclists than car drivers. I can't remember the last time a cyclist stopped for me at a zebra crossing, whilst it is very common for cars to. Likewise I can't remember the last day I have NOT seen a cyclist go against a red traffic light, and I don't mean just as the lights turn red. Yesterday a cyclist had the audacity to hoot me and swear at me for being in his way, that is for me daring to walk on the pavement which meant I was in his way as he wished to ride on the pavement. Sadly this type of behaviour is all too common and is what gives cyclists a bad name. If we could change this sort behaviour (and that won't happen whilst we encourage cycling at all costs), then there would be much more support for cycling. I recently complained to a local WF councillor about the cycle paths near me pointing out various inadequacies if you're a pedestrian / bus user. Not had a reply but interesting to note a sudden flurry of activity with white paint to add extra zebra crossing marks on the cycle lanes and other markings, in outline, near my local bus stop. Obviously I can't know if my complaint has had any direct influence on any of this but the coincidence is startling. Prospects of cyclists stopping at the zebra crossing whilst a pedestrian is waiting to cross are ? ? ? |
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Post by sid on Oct 18, 2018 18:23:35 GMT
I recently complained to a local WF councillor about the cycle paths near me pointing out various inadequacies if you're a pedestrian / bus user. Not had a reply but interesting to note a sudden flurry of activity with white paint to add extra zebra crossing marks on the cycle lanes and other markings, in outline, near my local bus stop. Obviously I can't know if my complaint has had any direct influence on any of this but the coincidence is startling. Prospects of cyclists stopping at the zebra crossing whilst a pedestrian is waiting to cross are ? ? ? I wouldn't actually expect them to stop, it's easier for a pedestrian to wait for the cyclist to pass. |
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Post by sid on Oct 18, 2018 18:28:14 GMT
So much stereotyping it's unreal, so all cyclists are left wing vegans are they? Yes at one time cycling in London did often attract a certain type of person, the combative alpha male type who was willing to confront the danger but as it's become safer it's attracted far more civilized people. There's good and bad with most things, and that includes car drivers and cyclists. Once upon a time (hard to believe I know) the powers that be wanted to encourage motoring, and things were done to make it easier to own and run a car. It was then realised we wouldn't have enough road space, and that along with other disadvantages about the car that gave the realisation that encouraging car usage wasn't right and we have had more and more restrictions ever since. Now we are repeating a similar cycle (forgive the pun) with bicycles. What we need is a balanced policy to help everyone get around as they need as well as supporting a modern economy.
I do notice more arrogance and rule breaking amongst cyclists than car drivers. I can't remember the last time a cyclist stopped for me at a zebra crossing, whilst it is very common for cars to. Likewise I can't remember the last day I have NOT seen a cyclist go against a red traffic light, and I don't mean just as the lights turn red. Yesterday a cyclist had the audacity to hoot me and swear at me for being in his way, that is for me daring to walk on the pavement which meant I was in his way as he wished to ride on the pavement. Sadly this type of behaviour is all too common and is what gives cyclists a bad name. If we could change this sort behaviour (and that won't happen whilst we encourage cycling at all costs), then there would be much more support for cycling.
I agree that there is good and bad with most things but encouraging cycling will actually improve behaviour because it will encourage more law abiding people to take it up where as in the past it has been seen as dangerous and so tends to attract the alpha male aggressive type of person. |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 18, 2018 18:47:55 GMT
Prospects of cyclists stopping at the zebra crossing whilst a pedestrian is waiting to cross are ? ? ? The point though is that the zebra markings extend from the road over the cycle lanes. This means, as far as I am concerned as a pedestrian, that if cars stop then so should cyclists. It is in precisely this situation that I have nearly been run down twice by cyclists who believe they can ignore MARKINGS ON THEIR CYCLE LANE. They CANNOT ignore them - they are a legally recognised part of overall highway design. The council didn't put them there for no reason. They are there to afford pedestrians a safe crossing point. |
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Post by ronnie on Oct 18, 2018 19:15:13 GMT
Prospects of cyclists stopping at the zebra crossing whilst a pedestrian is waiting to cross are ? ? ? I wouldn't actually expect them to stop, it's easier for a pedestrian to wait for the cyclist to pass. In that case maybe we shouldn’t expect cars to stop at a pedestrian crossing either? |
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