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Post by YY13VKP on Oct 29, 2018 21:21:34 GMT
407 for sure
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Post by snowman on Oct 29, 2018 21:29:02 GMT
K2?? Are you sure? I’ve never seen a double deck on that route The K2 passes under the low bridge at Norbiton station so will never see double decks |
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 29, 2018 22:14:45 GMT
I think the following are the SD routes that either have regular DD workings, or may be busy enough to warrant conversion to DD (if the routeing complies):
80 95 126 152 163 164 165 190 200 203 219 235 236 244 251 256 286 289 293 355 371 396 407 423 487 490 A10 D6 H98 U1 U3
Please add anything that I have missed out, or correct if any of the above can not take DDs or would not need them.
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Post by Arriva London Explorer on Oct 29, 2018 22:19:39 GMT
I think the following are the SD routes that either have regular DD workings, or may be busy enough to warrant conversion to DD (if the routeing complies): 80 95 126 152 163 164 165 190 200 203 219 235 236 244 251 256 286 289 293 355 371 396 407 423 487 490 A10 D6 H98 U1 U3 Please add anything that I have missed out, or correct if any of the above can not take DDs or would not need them. Can 364 take DD as I heard on the forum before a DD trail was happening on that route? |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 29, 2018 22:25:16 GMT
I think the following are the SD routes that either have regular DD workings, or may be busy enough to warrant conversion to DD (if the routeing complies): 80 95 126 152 163 164 165 190 200 203 219 235 236 244 251 256 286 289 293 355 371 396 407 423 487 490 A10 D6 H98 U1 U3 Please add anything that I have missed out, or correct if any of the above can not take DDs or would not need them. The P4 warrants a conversion but it won’t happen due to residents in Dulwich Village. Low trees are also supposed to be an issue but the P4 has seen 2 double deckers serve the route with one doing the full route (the other was curtailed to Loughborough Junction on a different occasion). The 312 generally sees double deckers in the evenings when the EMC’s are charging. The 313 has a double decker school journey and has seen deckers on occasion. Now out of date but the 288, 303 & H18/H19 all saw very regular decker workings with one allocated to the H18/H19 |
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Post by rugbyref on Oct 29, 2018 22:30:35 GMT
Quite common to see a DD on the R9.
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Post by COBO on Oct 29, 2018 22:48:32 GMT
I think the following are the SD routes that either have regular DD workings, or may be busy enough to warrant conversion to DD (if the routeing complies): 80 95 126 152 163 164 165 190 200 203 219 235 236 244 251 256 286 289 293 355 371 396 407 423 487 490 A10 D6 H98 U1 U3 Please add anything that I have missed out, or correct if any of the above can not take DDs or would not need them. The H17 is busy enough to warrant double deckers. |
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Post by DE20106 on Oct 29, 2018 22:55:51 GMT
I think the following are the SD routes that either have regular DD workings, or may be busy enough to warrant conversion to DD (if the routeing complies): 80 95 126 152 163 164 165 190 200 203 219 235 236 244 251 256 286 289 293 355 371 396 407 423 487 490 A10 D6 H98 U1 U3 Please add anything that I have missed out, or correct if any of the above can not take DDs or would not need them. The P4 warrants a conversion but it won’t happen due to residents in Dulwich Village. Low trees are also supposed to be an issue but the P4 has seen 2 double deckers serve the route with one doing the full route (the other was curtailed to Loughborough Junction on a different occasion). The 312 generally sees double deckers in the evenings when the EMC’s are charging. The 313 has a double decker school journey and has seen deckers on occasion. Now out of date but the 288, 303 & H18/H19 all saw very regular decker workings with one allocated to the H18/H19 I’m surprised this hasn’t been bought up before but does the 288 suffer from bad overcrowding? I’ve never used the route but looking at the route stats it has broadly the same dimensions as route 291. Same length, similar PVR, very similar frequencies and very similar patronage numbers, and of course the 291 is renowned for terrible overcrowding. So I wonder if GR used DDs on the 288 because it actually needed them at certain times ooooorrr they just couldn’t be bothered to allocate the vehicles properly. Most probably the latter but it’s food for thought nonetheless. |
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Post by DE20106 on Oct 29, 2018 23:01:48 GMT
I think the following are the SD routes that either have regular DD workings, or may be busy enough to warrant conversion to DD (if the routeing complies): 80 95 126 152 163 164 165 190 200 203 219 235 236 244 251 256 286 289 293 355 371 396 407 423 487 490 A10 D6 H98 U1 U3 Please add anything that I have missed out, or correct if any of the above can not take DDs or would not need them. I know the 190 very well and I wouldn’t say it’s a route warranting a full DD allocation. It’s singles give perfectly adequate capacity (even in the peaks it copes imo) and obviously is cleared for DDs (I’ve ridden a DD 190) but it’s almost certainly to do with AH’s quite relaxed allocations rather than actually needing them. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 30, 2018 0:20:54 GMT
I think the following are the SD routes that either have regular DD workings, or may be busy enough to warrant conversion to DD (if the routeing complies): 80 95 126 152 163 164 165 190 200 203 219 235 236 244 251 256 286 289 293 355 371 396 407 423 487 490 A10 D6 H98 U1 U3 Please add anything that I have missed out, or correct if any of the above can not take DDs or would not need them. I know the 190 very well and I wouldn’t say it’s a route warranting a full DD allocation. It’s singles give perfectly adequate capacity (even in the peaks it copes imo) and obviously is cleared for DDs (I’ve ridden a DD 190) but it’s almost certainly to do with AH’s quite relaxed allocations rather than actually needing them. Granted I've not rode the 190 many times but when I have, both journeys were extremely busy so from an outsider, I'd say it does but of course, I don't see or use it enough  |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 30, 2018 0:23:04 GMT
The P4 warrants a conversion but it won’t happen due to residents in Dulwich Village. Low trees are also supposed to be an issue but the P4 has seen 2 double deckers serve the route with one doing the full route (the other was curtailed to Loughborough Junction on a different occasion). The 312 generally sees double deckers in the evenings when the EMC’s are charging. The 313 has a double decker school journey and has seen deckers on occasion. Now out of date but the 288, 303 & H18/H19 all saw very regular decker workings with one allocated to the H18/H19 I’m surprised this hasn’t been bought up before but does the 288 suffer from bad overcrowding? I’ve never used the route but looking at the route stats it has broadly the same dimensions as route 291. Same length, similar PVR, very similar frequencies and very similar patronage numbers, and of course the 291 is renowned for terrible overcrowding. So I wonder if GR used DDs on the 288 because it actually needed them at certain times ooooorrr they just couldn’t be bothered to allocate the vehicles properly. Most probably the latter but it’s food for thought nonetheless. The times I've used it, it gets busy but I wouldn't say as busy as the 291 gets. I don't think GR just willy nilly put buses anywhere as you get fined for that but maybe it was more so because of things like how the run out is laid out at GR or the maintenance schedule and at times, it just couldn't be helped. |
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Post by thebusguy on Oct 30, 2018 6:56:38 GMT
K2?? Are you sure? I’ve never seen a double deck on that route One time when route 57 and 131 were being transferred, an ALX400 was put on for 1 day. Then it got withdrawn along with the other K2 blinded Double Deckers (many 56 plate Omnicitys, all ALX400s) |
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Oct 30, 2018 7:07:44 GMT
K2?? Are you sure? I’ve never seen a double deck on that route One time when route 57 and 131 were being transferred, an ALX400 was put on for 1 day. Then it got withdrawn along with the other K2 blinded Double Deckers (many 56 plate Omnicitys, all ALX400s) Are you absolutely certain? It would have to curtail because of Norbiton plus I believe there is also a tree issue in Berrylands, hence school route 665 is using single-deckers. Is there any photo proof? |
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Post by redexpress on Oct 30, 2018 7:12:04 GMT
K2?? Are you sure? I’ve never seen a double deck on that route One time when route 57 and 131 were being transferred, an ALX400 was put on for 1 day. Then it got withdrawn along with the other K2 blinded Double Deckers (many 56 plate Omnicitys, all ALX400s) Not sure which transfers you're referring to but LVF doesn't show any DD appearances on the K2, so any DD appearance must have been off iBus (or prior to Sept 2012 when LVF records started).
Surprised to hear that K2 was on DD blinds given the low bridge on the route.
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Post by thebusguy on Oct 30, 2018 7:14:40 GMT
One time when route 57 and 131 were being transferred, an ALX400 was put on for 1 day. Then it got withdrawn along with the other K2 blinded Double Deckers (many 56 plate Omnicitys, all ALX400s) Not sure which transfers you're referring to but LVF doesn't show any DD appearances on the K2, so any DD appearance must have been off iBus (or prior to Sept 2012 when LVF records started).
Surprised to hear that K2 was on DD blinds given the low bridge on the route.
It was told to go down via route 213 to Kingston, then skipped parts of Berrylands |
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