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Post by snowman on Oct 30, 2018 9:23:14 GMT
K2?? Are you sure? I’ve never seen a double deck on that route One time when route 57 and 131 were being transferred, an ALX400 was put on for 1 day. Then it got withdrawn along with the other K2 blinded Double Deckers (many 56 plate Omnicitys, all ALX400s) There were some TAs and TLAs that transferred to Tolworth few years ago, they were manual blinded and it is highly likely they were fitted with old blind sets, (newer power blinds are different size) some of these older blinds had every TV and FW route which would have included the K2 Doesn't mean any ever worked the whole route |
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Post by John tuthill on Oct 30, 2018 10:34:26 GMT
K2?? Are you sure? I’ve never seen a double deck on that route Well before your time (1984/85) Picture from Ian Armstrongs bus route page. They were also on the K1 around the same time  Attachment Deleted |
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Post by snowman on Oct 30, 2018 10:47:46 GMT
K2?? Are you sure? I’ve never seen a double deck on that route Well before your time (1984/85) Picture from Ian Armstrongs bus route page. They were also on the K1 around the same time View AttachmentThe Shoppers Express (hence yellow blinds), a one bus off peak service than ran for just over a year The current K2 only started in 1987 |
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Post by VMH2452 on Oct 30, 2018 10:54:57 GMT
The P4 warrants a conversion but it won’t happen due to residents in Dulwich Village. Low trees are also supposed to be an issue but the P4 has seen 2 double deckers serve the route with one doing the full route (the other was curtailed to Loughborough Junction on a different occasion). The 312 generally sees double deckers in the evenings when the EMC’s are charging. The 313 has a double decker school journey and has seen deckers on occasion. Now out of date but the 288, 303 & H18/H19 all saw very regular decker workings with one allocated to the H18/H19 I’m surprised this hasn’t been bought up before but does the 288 suffer from bad overcrowding? I’ve never used the route but looking at the route stats it has broadly the same dimensions as route 291. Same length, similar PVR, very similar frequencies and very similar patronage numbers, and of course the 291 is renowned for terrible overcrowding. So I wonder if GR used DDs on the 288 because it actually needed them at certain times ooooorrr they just couldn’t be bothered to allocate the vehicles properly. Most probably the latter but it’s food for thought nonetheless. 288 does suffer from bad overcrowding. I often see people being left behind and under GR, most seats on the DDs were taken. The DLEs have slightly reduced overcrowding. |
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Post by aaron1 on Oct 30, 2018 11:26:00 GMT
the 112 have 3 decker's it need to decked all times and then run it 24 hours
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Post by John tuthill on Oct 30, 2018 11:40:05 GMT
Well before your time (1984/85) Picture from Ian Armstrongs bus route page. They were also on the K1 around the same time View AttachmentThe Shoppers Express (hence yellow blinds), a one bus off peak service than ran for just over a year The current K2 only started in 1987 That's very true. But it does show that a DD can run around the back streets of Berrylands |
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Post by DE20106 on Oct 30, 2018 13:59:21 GMT
I’m surprised this hasn’t been bought up before but does the 288 suffer from bad overcrowding? I’ve never used the route but looking at the route stats it has broadly the same dimensions as route 291. Same length, similar PVR, very similar frequencies and very similar patronage numbers, and of course the 291 is renowned for terrible overcrowding. So I wonder if GR used DDs on the 288 because it actually needed them at certain times ooooorrr they just couldn’t be bothered to allocate the vehicles properly. Most probably the latter but it’s food for thought nonetheless. 288 does suffer from bad overcrowding. I often see people being left behind and under GR, most seats on the DDs were taken. The DLEs have slightly reduced overcrowding. It that’s the case (which I do believe is), I wonder why the 291’s issues are in the spotlight far more than the 288’s. It’s funny because to me until it was awarded to RATP and hence got some attention (most probably because it changeover was far from smooth) it was very much what I’d call a ghost route. No ones really ever talked about it (before it went to RATP) it’s very short and I hadn’t really ever acknowledged its existence until I made my bus route spreadsheet, and I had to even look online to see where it went and who operated it. A few months ago if someone had mentioned to me ‘288’ I probably would have thought ‘is that number even in use?’, I don’t know how that route has managed to stay so much off the radar. I honestly can’t think of any route that’s managed to avoid being mentioned and discussed as much as that one. (Obviously all before it’s changeover) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 18:47:39 GMT
288 does suffer from bad overcrowding. I often see people being left behind and under GR, most seats on the DDs were taken. The DLEs have slightly reduced overcrowding. It that’s the case (which I do believe is), I wonder why the 291’s issues are in the spotlight far more than the 288’s. It’s funny because to me until it was awarded to RATP and hence got some attention (most probably because it changeover was far from smooth) it was very much what I’d call a ghost route. No ones really ever talked about it (before it went to RATP) it’s very short and I hadn’t really ever acknowledged its existence until I made my bus route spreadsheet, and I had to even look online to see where it went and who operated it. A few months ago if someone had mentioned to me ‘288’ I probably would have thought ‘is that number even in use?’, I don’t know how that route has managed to stay so much off the radar. I honestly can’t think of any route that’s managed to avoid being mentioned and discussed as much as that one. (Obviously all before it’s changeover) 291s are more prominent as it uses short buses (same length as 386, 100 etc). The 288 had ENLs and DDs whereas 291 ONLY had these short buses due to lack of variety at PD. The only time longer buses were used was when 469 was there, but even then the route had overcrowding. It is a weird one, however; its a short route so there's no telling how many people will go upstairs |
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Post by sid on Oct 30, 2018 19:25:46 GMT
It that’s the case (which I do believe is), I wonder why the 291’s issues are in the spotlight far more than the 288’s. It’s funny because to me until it was awarded to RATP and hence got some attention (most probably because it changeover was far from smooth) it was very much what I’d call a ghost route. No ones really ever talked about it (before it went to RATP) it’s very short and I hadn’t really ever acknowledged its existence until I made my bus route spreadsheet, and I had to even look online to see where it went and who operated it. A few months ago if someone had mentioned to me ‘288’ I probably would have thought ‘is that number even in use?’, I don’t know how that route has managed to stay so much off the radar. I honestly can’t think of any route that’s managed to avoid being mentioned and discussed as much as that one. (Obviously all before it’s changeover) 291s are more prominent as it uses short buses (same length as 386, 100 etc). The 288 had ENLs and DDs whereas 291 ONLY had these short buses due to lack of variety at PD. The only time longer buses were used was when 469 was there, but even then the route had overcrowding. It is a weird one, however; its a short route so there's no telling how many people will go upstairs That's what I thought about the 291, how many people travelling between Woodlands Estate and Woolwich Arsenal would go upstairs if the route was double decked? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 20:37:16 GMT
I think the following are the SD routes that either have regular DD workings, or may be busy enough to warrant conversion to DD (if the routeing complies): 80 95 126 152 163 164 165 190 200 203 219 235 236 244 251 256 286 289 293 355 371 396 407 423 487 490 A10 D6 H98 U1 U3 Please add anything that I have missed out, or correct if any of the above can not take DDs or would not need them. The 251 has never seen a DD working due to low hanging trees in Lawrence Street. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 30, 2018 20:54:51 GMT
291s are more prominent as it uses short buses (same length as 386, 100 etc). The 288 had ENLs and DDs whereas 291 ONLY had these short buses due to lack of variety at PD. The only time longer buses were used was when 469 was there, but even then the route had overcrowding. It is a weird one, however; its a short route so there's no telling how many people will go upstairs That's what I thought about the 291, how many people travelling between Woodlands Estate and Woolwich Arsenal would go upstairs if the route was double decked? I'm sure plenty would do so - it 2.1 miles roughly on the bus between Woolwich Arsenal & High Grove at the southern most point of Woodlands which is a little more than a local & popular journey of mine between Brixton Water Lane & Becmead Avenue which is roughly 1.9 miles and is just 11 stops yet plenty of people use the upstairs on this journey. |
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Post by thebusguy on Oct 30, 2018 21:01:31 GMT
I think the following are the SD routes that either have regular DD workings, or may be busy enough to warrant conversion to DD (if the routeing complies): 80 95 126 152 163 164 165 190 200 203 219 235 236 244 251 256 286 289 293 355 371 396 407 423 487 490 A10 D6 H98 U1 U3 Please add anything that I have missed out, or correct if any of the above can not take DDs or would not need them. The 251 has never seen a DD working due to low hanging trees in Lawrence Street. That’s true, it’s only allocated E200 Dart 10.2m (basically thrash central) |
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Post by uakari on Oct 31, 2018 1:53:56 GMT
I can't think of any. The last obvious route was the 274 which has now converted. I keep getting scared sitting on the top deck as we reach the Baynes Street bridge, but so far we've remained intact! It's a pity they couldn't sort out the massive reliability problems on the 274 at the same time as reducing the frequency and introducing the double deckers. Still far too many buses coming in twos and threes and then getting curtailed at Copenhagen Street, Market Road Gardens, Baker Street and Portman Square, with resulting 24 or even 36 minute gaps between a bus. |
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Post by thebusguy on Oct 31, 2018 17:11:27 GMT
How about route 371 to be fully double decked?
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Post by vjaska on Nov 1, 2018 2:14:48 GMT
How about route 371 to be fully double decked? It's receiving DE's from the C1 so can't see that happening but it should warrant them personally - I remember using it regularly during a certain period when it was DPS operated and it was busy back then. |
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