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Post by george on Aug 6, 2019 12:37:24 GMT
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Post by rif153 on Aug 6, 2019 13:19:30 GMT
I bet the bus stand doesn’t feature in the plans
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Post by george on Aug 6, 2019 13:40:37 GMT
I bet the bus stand doesn’t feature in the plans Seems like quite a lot of house the 493/R70 bus stand might.
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Post by snowman on Aug 6, 2019 13:48:21 GMT
I bet the bus stand doesn’t feature in the plans Actually there is a stand in the plans, but it is more central in the site, so the 4 towers are better spaced Link to planning application 19/0510/FUL Of course this is not only Homebase in the area to be proposed for closure Kingston (which was completely rebuilt few years ago) might get replaced by student flats Gilette Corner might be replaced by a Tesco (and the Syon Lane Tesco store closed once it opens, apparently site pre-sold to Berekley Homes) Meanwhile the B&Q at Chiswick Roundabout might be closed and replaced by huge residental development with 6 towers But of more interest to bus enthusiasts is that new plans have been submitted for Capital Interchange Way, Brentford, without a new bus garage for Metroline Just in case you are wondering a planning application was submitted in May for Commerce Road, Brentford Link to road part of plan P/2019/1723
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Post by rif153 on Aug 6, 2019 16:38:11 GMT
I bet the bus stand doesn’t feature in the plans Seems like quite a lot of house the 493/R70 bus stand might. Although even if the stand does go, with the Richmond changes only the R70 will need stand space. A bus route terminating outside a new development could be quite attractive to potential buyers, and transport connectivity generally drives up house prices so the developers would be missing a trick if they didn’t facilitate a bus stand in their plans
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Post by vjaska on Aug 6, 2019 17:58:06 GMT
I bet the bus stand doesn’t feature in the plans Actually there is a stand in the plans, but it is more central in the site, so the 4 towers are better spaced Link to planning application 19/0510/FUL Of course this is not only Homebase in the area to be proposed for closure Kingston (which was completely rebuilt few years ago) might get replaced by student flats Gilette Corner might be replaced by a Tesco (and the Syon Lane Tesco store closed once it opens, apparently site pre-sold to Berekley Homes) Meanwhile the B&Q at Chiswick Roundabout might be closed and replaced by huge residental development with 6 towers But of more interest to bus enthusiasts is that new plans have been submitted for Capital Interchange Way, Brentford, without a new bus garage for Metroline Just in case you are wondering a planning application was submitted in May for Commerce Road, Brentford Link to road part of plan P/2019/1723 Off topic but I suspect that part about Berkeley Homes & Tesco will happen as Tesco are currently rebuilding superstores with flats on - Kennington is currently being done and Berkeley Homes are involved in that development called Oval Village from memory - a pop up Metro store is currently in use in the Kennington superstores car park. Brixton & Purley stores are to follow within the next year or two
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 6, 2019 18:31:50 GMT
Doesn't the 371 stand there aswell?
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Post by george on Aug 6, 2019 18:32:28 GMT
Doesn't the 371 stand there aswell? The 371 stands on the otherside of the road by Sainsburys.
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Post by thelondonthing on Aug 6, 2019 18:59:34 GMT
As discussed here in January, the plans for the proposed Avanton development showed that it would not include any changes to the two Manor Road stands (R70/493; and 371). There is a possible complication with TfL's planned rebuild of the Manor Circus roundabout and bridge - which could overlap with the Avanton build - but TfL opened the Richmond area consultation long after its proposal for Manor Circus had been planned, so that too seems unlikely to be a new factor in delaying the results of the consultation. And as I mentioned on the previous page of this thread, TfL said in an email two weeks ago that "the closure of the Hammersmith Bridge has meant we are still reviewing our proposals for changes to buses in Richmond and Twickenham", and "we hope to be able to provide a fuller update in the next few weeks." While the Avanton plans obviously need to be considered by TfL, including the development's impact on future bus needs in the local area, I don't think there's anything to suggest that that planning application is actively holding up the Richmond area consultation. Edit: And just to confirm, this PDF clearly shows the existing stand unchanged (apart from adding a new wall, trees and plants) on the submitted planning application.
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Post by snowman on Aug 6, 2019 19:36:06 GMT
Actually there is a stand in the plans, but it is more central in the site, so the 4 towers are better spaced Link to planning application 19/0510/FUL Of course this is not only Homebase in the area to be proposed for closure Kingston (which was completely rebuilt few years ago) might get replaced by student flats Gilette Corner might be replaced by a Tesco (and the Syon Lane Tesco store closed once it opens, apparently site pre-sold to Berekley Homes) Meanwhile the B&Q at Chiswick Roundabout might be closed and replaced by huge residental development with 6 towers But of more interest to bus enthusiasts is that new plans have been submitted for Capital Interchange Way, Brentford, without a new bus garage for Metroline Just in case you are wondering a planning application was submitted in May for Commerce Road, Brentford Link to road part of plan P/2019/1723 Off topic but I suspect that part about Berkeley Homes & Tesco will happen as Tesco are currently rebuilding superstores with flats on - Kennington is currently being done and Berkeley Homes are involved in that development called Oval Village from memory - a pop up Metro store is currently in use in the Kennington superstores car park. Brixton & Purley stores are to follow within the next year or two Found a link with quote from Tesco owgra.org.uk/2019/06/09/planning-news-for-may-2019/Hadn’t realised an ugly building was proposed for Osterley station car park, which would diminish the iconic 1930s illuminated needle tower at the station. Seriously wrong location, however many micro-apartments the mayor thinks London needs.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 6, 2019 20:04:54 GMT
I guess the question is will TFL be happy with the 419 being replaced by the 110 all the way to Barnes Pond.
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Post by george on Aug 6, 2019 20:06:33 GMT
I guess the question is will TFL be happy with the 419 being replaced by the 110 all the way to Barnes Pond. I wish they could divert the 110 to Roehampton rather than Barnes Pond.
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Post by snowman on Aug 7, 2019 5:26:07 GMT
I guess the question is will TFL be happy with the 419 being replaced by the 110 all the way to Barnes Pond. Mortlake can be very slow now in morning Peak hours and they are risking taking the long delays to the St Margaret’s and Whitton area Having said that Richmond evening peak is notorious for traffic delays so a reliable service is doubtful. It’s really a question of stand space which is why I suggested only going to Queens Road stand, no advantage in duplicating existing routes through Sheen if can’t get all the way to Hammersmith. If there is still a need to cover the Barnes- Mortlake Station area (if 419 was not replaced by extended 110) would probably be better served by extension to the now very short 209 No doubt TfL will eventually advise its plan
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 4, 2019 8:02:48 GMT
I know it's a bit far fetched but I wonder if TFL could investigate merging the 110 and 391 instead as the 419 is now serving a new purpose to Roehampton. Reasons would be it would free up a route at Richmond Bus Station, allow the 110 to reach Richmond thus the H37 could reduce as planned and the 493 could stand at the bus station and the H22 be cut back as planned. The soon to be freq of the 391 will match the planned 110.
Downsides would be that the 391 is a bit longer between Richmond and Hammersmith and the indirect routing from Chiswick to Hammersmith over the 237. That said the 110/419 in reality was not about creating new links but mroe reducing pressure on Richmond bus stands.
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Post by thelondonthing on Oct 4, 2019 10:42:27 GMT
I know it's a bit far fetched but I wonder if TFL could investigate merging the 110 and 391 instead as the 419 is now serving a new purpose to Roehampton. Reasons would be it would free up a route at Richmond Bus Station, allow the 110 to reach Richmond thus the H37 could reduce as planned and the 493 could stand at the bus station and the H22 be cut back as planned. The soon to be freq of the 391 will match the planned 110. Downsides would be that the 391 is a bit longer between Richmond and Hammersmith and the indirect routing from Chiswick to Hammersmith over the 237. That said the 110/419 in reality was not about creating new links but mroe reducing pressure on Richmond bus stands. I think this is an idea that would work better on paper than in practice. Aside from Richmond and Hammersmith town centres, the 391 runs through numerous major traffic hotspots, including Kew Bridge, Gunnersbury Roundabout, and Chiswick High Road. During peak hours, these areas often grind to a virtual standstill, making it extremely challenging to maintain a stable service along the length of the route; indeed, this was one factor in the decision to split the 391, curtailing it from Fulham to Hammersmith. By contrast, the only area of major congestion on the 419 outside of Richmond and Hammersmith is the traffic around Chalkers Corner; the rest of the route is relatively light in terms of congestion. This made it a reasonable candidate to merge with the 110, presenting relatively few opportunities for the Hammersmith-Richmond section to seriously disrupt service along the whole route. If the Hammersmith-Richmond section were to be operated via the 391 route, there would be way more opportunities for the service to be disrupted, which of course means that buses bunch up, some are turned short, and service along the whole route suffers. Remember too that the combined route would also have to navigate through other traffic choke-points such as Richmond Bridge, St Margarets, and the A316. On paper, it makes a lot of sense to replace the 419 with the 391 in the plan to create an extended route, for exactly the reasons you stated. But in reality, I fear that such a move would ultimately do little but create an extremely long and hopelessly unreliable route. Honestly, I would imagine that TfL has shelved any plans to pursue the Richmond area consultation further until the bridge reopens, making it easier to make lasting decisions on permanent changes.
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