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Post by george on Jun 18, 2020 16:40:12 GMT
I'm guessing the first stop on the 493 will move to being the George Street stop with the 33 and 337 then Eton Street outside Waitrose then normal line of route and in reverse will drop off at Eton Street as I don't think anything but the 337 can drop off and pick up at the Bus station. This is correct first stop will be Eton Street outside the HSBC. All routes that terminate at the bus station can drop people off but only the 337 can pick up passengers. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Jun 18, 2020 16:50:20 GMT
Despite being shortened to Hammersmith-Richmond route 391 remains one of the most unreliable bus routes in London according to latest TfL statistics, the extension and rugby match disruption will make it even worse.
Adding even more buses between Twickenham and West Middlesex Hospital seems a total waste, when TfL already said there was excess capacity available. Maybe they cannot be seen to be cutting services to hospitals at the moment and something had to replace the 110.
If the H22 is to provide the main link between Whitton and West Middlesex Hospital that does not bode well for the 481 which is much more direct, albeit less frequent.
490 is going to be very busy given it will be the only direct route between Staines Road and Richmond. Should have double decked it or just not withdrawn the H22 between Twickenham and Richmond.
Overall not good. The faster link from Whitton to Richmond is long overdue, but a great shame that the 110 will be hideously unreliabile.
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Post by rif153 on Jun 18, 2020 18:01:34 GMT
I'm guessing the first stop on the 493 will move to being the George Street stop with the 33 and 337 then Eton Street outside Waitrose then normal line of route and in reverse will drop off at Eton Street as I don't think anything but the 337 can drop off and pick up at the Bus station. This is correct first stop will be Eton Street outside the HSBC. All routes that terminate at the bus station can drop people off but only the 337 can pick up passengers. It would be sensible for the 337 and 493 to share the same first stop at Richmond Bus Station given they both go down the Upper Richmond Road but sadly that wouldn't be possible. |
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Post by adl on Jun 18, 2020 18:58:43 GMT
Was the 419s extension to Roehampton, Bessborough Road a different consultation to this and is it permanent?
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Post by george on Jun 18, 2020 18:59:19 GMT
This is correct first stop will be Eton Street outside the HSBC. All routes that terminate at the bus station can drop people off but only the 337 can pick up passengers. It would be sensible for the 337 and 493 to share the same first stop at Richmond Bus Station given they both go down the Upper Richmond Road but sadly that wouldn't be possible. I know I'm kind of repeating the same message but in my opinion removing the 337 stop at Richmond bus station is hardly a bad thing as to be honest that stop is not that well used anyway. The biggest loss is the 493 not serving Richmond Station as this is a popular stop that's why I think the 493 should use the Pools in the pond stand with 490 cut back to the bus station but with it now using the 337 stop so it can pick passengers up from there. If both routes could use Pools in the Park then this would be the best option. |
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Post by snowman on Jun 18, 2020 19:08:18 GMT
Was the 419s extension to Roehampton, Bessborough Road a different consultation to this and is it permanent? The Roehampton extension came about due to 72 not crossing river when Hammersmith bridge closed. The Richmond consultation had closed before Hammersmith bridge problems surfaced |
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Post by adl on Jun 18, 2020 19:10:21 GMT
Was the 419s extension to Roehampton, Bessborough Road a different consultation to this and is it permanent? The Roehampton extension came about due to 72 not crossing river when Hammersmith bridge closed. The Richmond consultation had closed before Hammersmith bridge problems surfaced Thanks for the clarification, the 419 confused me for a while, first it was being merged then it got extended. Great to see it extended rather than merged though. |
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Post by COBO on Jun 18, 2020 19:17:47 GMT
I remember southlondonbus saying that there are plans that the 110 and 111 swapping western ends I.e 110 going to Heathrow and the 111 being curtailed at Hounslow Bus Station. So it could be possible seeing the 110 be running between Heathrow and Hammersmith via current 111 to Hounslow, 110 to Twickenham, Richmond Bridge and the current 391 to Hammersmith. I wonder if that’s still going ahead and I wonder if there will a DD conversion. |
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Post by LK65EBO on Jun 18, 2020 19:18:49 GMT
I remember southlondonbus saying that there are plans that the 110 and 111 swapping western ends I.e 110 going to Heathrow and the 111 being curtailed at Hounslow Bus Station. So it could be possible seeing the 110 be running between Heathrow and Hammersmith via current 111 to Hounslow, 110 to Twickenham, Richmond Bridge and the current 391 to Hammersmith. I wonder if that’s still going ahead and I wonder if there will a DD conversion. Or just extend the H91. |
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Post by COBO on Jun 18, 2020 19:22:45 GMT
I remember southlondonbus saying that there are plans that the 110 and 111 swapping western ends I.e 110 going to Heathrow and the 111 being curtailed at Hounslow Bus Station. So it could be possible seeing the 110 be running between Heathrow and Hammersmith via current 111 to Hounslow, 110 to Twickenham, Richmond Bridge and the current 391 to Hammersmith. I wonder if that’s still going ahead and I wonder if there will a DD conversion. Or just extend the H91. Yes I can see why TfL would want the 110 to Heathrow rather then the H91 because by extending the 110 to Heathrow then Richmond, Twickenham and Kew get a link to Heathrow where as the H91 just parallels the Piccadilly Line. I hope that they plan to keep the N111 going to Heathrow and not completely remove it from Heathrow. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 20:02:34 GMT
I remember southlondonbus saying that there are plans that the 110 and 111 swapping western ends I.e 110 going to Heathrow and the 111 being curtailed at Hounslow Bus Station. So it could be possible seeing the 110 be running between Heathrow and Hammersmith via current 111 to Hounslow, 110 to Twickenham, Richmond Bridge and the current 391 to Hammersmith. I wonder if that’s still going ahead and I wonder if there will a DD conversion. The 110/111 proposal was a few years back. V have been very unlucky. The 10 was withdrawn, with most of its drivers transferred onto the 391 and 306. Both are now leaving, with a few extra duties on the new extended 110, if it is even run from V. Not the first time in its history, as it was mothballed in the late 90’s after the 27 was lost to Centrewest (X). Neighbours AH and X are again benefiting from V’s misfortunes. I hope a new contract win , or a displaced route as a result of win elsewhere, will revive it’s fortunes. |
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Post by george on Jun 18, 2020 20:05:43 GMT
I remember southlondonbus saying that there are plans that the 110 and 111 swapping western ends I.e 110 going to Heathrow and the 111 being curtailed at Hounslow Bus Station. So it could be possible seeing the 110 be running between Heathrow and Hammersmith via current 111 to Hounslow, 110 to Twickenham, Richmond Bridge and the current 391 to Hammersmith. I wonder if that’s still going ahead and I wonder if there will a DD conversion. The 110/111 proposal was a few years back. V have been very unlucky. The 10 was withdrawn, with most of its drivers transferred onto the 391 and 306. Both are now leaving, with a few extra duties on the new extended 110, if it is even run from V. Not the first time in its history, as it was mothballed in the late 90’s after the 27 was lost to Centrewest (X). Neighbours AH and X are again benefiting from V’s misfortunes. I hope a new contract win , or a displaced route as a result of win elsewhere, will revive it’s fortunes. if the new 110 does stay at AV then I hope the 237 moves to V *if* RATP win that route. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 20:17:33 GMT
The 110/111 proposal was a few years back. V have been very unlucky. The 10 was withdrawn, with most of its drivers transferred onto the 391 and 306. Both are now leaving, with a few extra duties on the new extended 110, if it is even run from V. Not the first time in its history, as it was mothballed in the late 90’s after the 27 was lost to Centrewest (X). Neighbours AH and X are again benefiting from V’s misfortunes. I hope a new contract win , or a displaced route as a result of win elsewhere, will revive it’s fortunes. if the new 110 does stay at AV then I hope the 237 moves to V *if* RATP win that route. I think the 110 will remain at AV, better for scheduling. Some opportunities in the next couple of years, so I’m hopeful something will come along. I noticed London United’s performance has got better. And neighbouring (rival) garages are now getting full. Soon time for the tendering wheel to do its circle. Personally think the 237 will remain at AH. |
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Post by george on Jun 18, 2020 20:26:12 GMT
if the new 110 does stay at AV then I hope the 237 moves to V *if* RATP win that route. I think the 110 will remain at AV, better for scheduling. Some opportunities in the next couple of years, so I’m hopeful something will come along. I noticed London United’s performance has got better. And neighbouring (rival) garages are now getting full. Soon time for the tendering wheel to do its circle. Personally think the 237 will remain at AH. If AV is better for scheduling then it should stay there for sure. 237 I think it's between a RATP win or a Metroline retain I just don't see Tower transit winning it but of course it wouldn't be a major shock if it did happen. For routes for V to gain in the next couple of years the 190 stands out not really sure what else will be in the next tender programme just know the 190 will be as recently got its two year extension. if 28 is won RATP then that route would probably go to RP meaning space would need to be required therefor you could move the 283 or 440 to V to create space. |
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Post by COBO on Jun 18, 2020 20:32:48 GMT
I remember southlondonbus saying that there are plans that the 110 and 111 swapping western ends I.e 110 going to Heathrow and the 111 being curtailed at Hounslow Bus Station. So it could be possible seeing the 110 be running between Heathrow and Hammersmith via current 111 to Hounslow, 110 to Twickenham, Richmond Bridge and the current 391 to Hammersmith. I wonder if that’s still going ahead and I wonder if there will a DD conversion. The 110/111 proposal was a few years back. V have been very unlucky. The 10 was withdrawn, with most of its drivers transferred onto the 391 and 306. Both are now leaving, with a few extra duties on the new extended 110, if it is even run from V. Not the first time in its history, as it was mothballed in the late 90’s after the 27 was lost to Centrewest (X). Neighbours AH and X are again benefiting from V’s misfortunes. I hope a new contract win , or a displaced route as a result of win elsewhere, will revive it’s fortunes. Well it does look like an interesting idea and I think that they should pursue it. V doesn’t look good I hope that things will pick up. First you have 10 that’s withdrawn, then you lose 27/N27 but gained the 211, 306 and had H91 transferred to the garage and now there losing the 306 and 391 in December of this year, I hope things do pick up again for V. |
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