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Post by abellion on Jan 14, 2019 20:02:20 GMT
Just the title. There are a lot of routes that have demand for something, whether it's DDs or SDs or frequency increases...
Any thoughts?
I think 493 would benefit from DDs or at least better frequency, but too many restrictions make DDs impossible and higher frequency too chaotic in the Southfields area & St Georges and traffic in lots of places would cause lots of bunching. School times are hell seeing so many people for some reason live in Tooting but go to school a while away and the route is usually packed to the door after Wimbledon towards Tooting. Alternative home sometimes involves 493 but I am forced to walk since I don't want to wait 10mins for a bus that wont even let me on.
Another one is 24 hour service around Biggin Hill. 320 would be a great N route linking to N21, N89, N199 etc at Lewisham & Catford, and giving some more quiet area a night route. Maybe even 353, which links a lot of unserved night areas to Croydon (64) or Oprington (N199) just to make night links in the area better. I don't entirely know the demand for night routes in mentioned areas, but there aren't too many and it could be worth trying, though I don't think there will be any night services on this route anytime soon considering the fact that it's scarcely mentioned
Criticism welcomed, I am not a veteran when it comes to bus plans/ideas/suggestions.
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Post by galwhv69 on Jan 14, 2019 20:20:05 GMT
355 for sure(edit:meant double decked)
Increased P13 frequency during peaks at least
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Post by DE20106 on Jan 14, 2019 20:47:27 GMT
Just the title. There are a lot of routes that have demand for something, whether it's DDs or SDs or frequency increases... Any thoughts? I think 493 would benefit from DDs or at least better frequency, but too many restrictions make DDs impossible and higher frequency too chaotic in the Southfields area & St Georges and traffic in lots of places would cause lots of bunching. School times are hell seeing so many people for some reason live in Tooting but go to school a while away and the route is usually packed to the door after Wimbledon towards Tooting. Alternative home sometimes involves 493 but I am forced to walk since I don't want to wait 10mins for a bus that wont even let me on. Another one is 24 hour service around Biggin Hill. 320 would be a great N route linking to N21, N89, N199 etc at Lewisham & Catford, and giving some more quiet area a night route. Maybe even 353, which links a lot of unserved night areas to Croydon (64) or Oprington (N199) just to make night links in the area better. I don't entirely know the demand for night routes in mentioned areas, but there aren't too many and it could be worth trying, though I don't think there will be any night services on this route anytime soon considering the fact that it's scarcely mentioned Criticism welcomed, I am not a veteran when it comes to bus plans/ideas/suggestions. I’ve always maintained the 221 needs a 24 hour/night service. I also think the 185 and 141 should have them too but most parts are covered by a mishmash of other night routes so one could arguably called those luxuries. D6, 289, 235 and 355 should have DDs, and are cleared for them. Obviously the 72 does but has the most draconian restriction of all (along with 33, 209, 419 and 485, three guesses what the restriction is  ) 276, 227 and 170 need DDs but they’re also restricted. The 244 needs at least an increase in frequency and I think the 472’s looming decrease post Crossrail is ludicrous. I also don’t see how the revised 472 with a freq decrease but an extended route can be ran with only 16 vehicles. It doesn’t seem feasible to me, but considering I guess it’s been retained by the company who don’t sacrifice service/profit margins despite financial pressure must mean they’ve thought it through carefully and deemed 16 to be adequate. |
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Post by M1104 on Jan 14, 2019 21:15:23 GMT
School times are hell seeing so many people for some reason live in Tooting but go to school a while away and the route is usually packed to the door after Wimbledon towards Tooting. Alternative home sometimes involves 493 but I am forced to walk since I don't want to wait 10mins for a bus that wont even let me on. The 219 could do with increased capacity to help out along that corridor. Also, the MECs would have been perfect for the 170's present contract, it being spec'd diesel buses in all. The 200 should ideally be a double deck service with the 152 having increased overall capacity. |
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Post by Green Kitten on Jan 14, 2019 21:26:34 GMT
Double-deck the 232. Every 232 I see leaving Wood Green around the peaks is rammed to the rafters.
There needs to be a review on routes 192 and W4 which use tiny buses which are constantly packed to the door.
Make routes 217 and 231 the same frequency on Monday to Fridays and ensure better interworking on Turnpike Lane departures every day. On Saturdays the routes depart within three minutes or less apart (Sundays is slightly better with 6 minutes between departures). I know they are operated by different operators but I think it could happen...
DD the W15 (if only there wasn't the low bridge!)
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Post by snoggle on Jan 14, 2019 22:30:08 GMT
TfL desperately need to rethink how they approach the provision of early morning / late evening / Sunday services on parts of the network where services overlap over long stretches. This is to ensure you have well spaced and co-ordinated headways rather than buses running 2-3 mins apart and then a wait over 20 mins for the next bus. In a similar vein TfL also need to consider how they co-ordinate interchange connections between low frequency services across London esp when one runs N-S and the other E-W (or similar compass point oppsites) to ensure people have reasonable and reliable connections. If you opt to cut services and impose Hopper fares as a "replacement" then this sort of co-ordination is essential. On a final general point I'd like to see some specific "hypothecated" funding for TfL to fill in blatant network gaps where people are well away from the bus networks and those who wish to visit them by public transport are left with no option but walking or taxis. Oh and we need a lot more proper bus priority, larger bus stands and a rescheduling of services to get rid of slow journeys and excessive regulation. If buses need reliability aids then give them recovery time on stands and bigger stands where needed to facilitate this. Not going to do anything route specific because I'll just have people disagreeing with me and we have too much of that on here at the moment.  |
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Post by COBO on Jan 14, 2019 22:38:26 GMT
95, 112, 232, 316, 487, E7, H17, U1 and U3 are all busy routes that need double deckers.
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Post by YY13VKP on Jan 14, 2019 22:44:35 GMT
Haven't we already got other threads on the same topic  |
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Post by ak121 on Jan 14, 2019 22:58:13 GMT
TfL seriously need to think and resolve the problems on routes 192, E5 and W4. All three routes are infested with crowding all the time and all only use 8.9 metre buses. These routes are probably the most busiest single door, single deck bus routes. I'm sure that 9.7 metre dual door buses could fit on the 192 and E5 at leas and this would allow for easy exit and boarding for everyone.
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Post by COBO on Jan 14, 2019 23:10:05 GMT
TfL seriously need to think and resolve the problems on routes 192, E5 and W4. All three routes are infested with crowding all the time and all only use 8.9 metre buses. These routes are probably the most busiest single door, single deck bus routes. I'm sure that 9.7 metre dual door buses could fit on the 192 and E5 at leas and this would allow for easy exit and boarding for everyone. Hasn't 10.2m single deckers been on the W4 in the pass? |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 14, 2019 23:17:54 GMT
I'll keep it specific to my area:
Double Deck the 355 & P4 - both routes are very busy, especially the P4 and it's quite common for buses to leave Brixton as well as along other parts of both routes rammed solid. Sadly, the P4 has a non physical restriction but the 355 has no such thing
Upgrade the 322 to dual door single deckers - quite why the current contract continued to specify short single door buses is beyond me when a 9.7m bus can quite easily do the full route. There are numerous examples of this around London as well
Cut the time the 35, 355 & P5 take to run around the one way system at the Town Hall by modifying the junction to allow 35 & 355's to turn right & P5's to go straight across. They had the chance to do so when they modified the junction to convert Brixton Hill to two way traffic.
Increase the 37's frequency to every 8 minutes during Mon-Fri, 10 Saturdays & during the evenings to every 10 minutes - this route is extremely important offering one of South London's very few east to west links that the Overground can't particularly match but yet seems to be continually overlooked. It also is well used throughout the day and night due to the big nightlife scene throughout Brixton, Clapham Common & Clapham Junction
A general point - invest in significantly cutting congestion in order to speed up bus journeys and introduce no parking in bus lanes - whats the point of a bus lane if it's full of parked cars.
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Post by ian on Jan 15, 2019 6:53:41 GMT
Somehow or other, double-deckers on 251 PLEASE!
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Post by redexpress on Jan 15, 2019 7:12:57 GMT
TfL seriously need to think and resolve the problems on routes 192, E5 and W4. All three routes are infested with crowding all the time and all only use 8.9 metre buses. These routes are probably the most busiest single door, single deck bus routes. I'm sure that 9.7 metre dual door buses could fit on the 192 and E5 at leas and this would allow for easy exit and boarding for everyone. Hasn't 10.2m single deckers been on the W4 in the pass? LVF history only shows one 10.2m Dart - LDP207 - appearing on the W4. However this was during the period when the route was running in two separate sections due to major works on Wood Green High Road. The LDP was only ever used on the northern section of the route (Wood Green - Oakthorpe Park). It wouldn't have made it round the Broadwater Farm section. |
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Post by abellion on Jan 15, 2019 16:10:41 GMT
Actually surprised P4, 355 and 95 haven't got decks yet...
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Post by londonbuses2018 on Jan 15, 2019 16:55:22 GMT
Double Deckers on the 143 and withdrawal of the Hail and Ride Section.
Full Time Double Deckers on the 288,303
24 Hour weekend service on 240 - PVR = 6
24 Hour weekend service on 328 - PVR = Current PVR on daytime service
24 Hour weekend service on 210 - PVR = 13
24 Hour service on 260 - PVR = Current PVR on Daytime service
24 Hour service on 142 (N142 from Golders Green via Brent Cross Station to Watford Junction) = 14
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) 276, 227 and 170 need DDs but they’re also restricted. 
