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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 15, 2019 17:31:42 GMT
Double Deckers on the 143 and withdrawal of the Hail and Ride Section. Full Time Double Deckers on the 288,303 24 Hour weekend service on 240 - PVR = 6 24 Hour weekend service on 328 - PVR = Current PVR on daytime service 24 Hour weekend service on 210 - PVR = 13 24 Hour service on 260 - PVR = Current PVR on Daytime service 24 Hour service on 142 (N142 from Golders Green via Brent Cross Station to Watford Junction) = 14 I heavily doubt the 328 and 260 need the same frequency through the night as it does through the day. The PVR of the 142 and 210 also look excessively high. |
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Post by Green Kitten on Jan 15, 2019 19:09:30 GMT
Hasn't 10.2m single deckers been on the W4 in the pass? LVF history only shows one 10.2m Dart - LDP207 - appearing on the W4. However this was during the period when the route was running in two separate sections due to major works on Wood Green High Road. The LDP was only ever used on the northern section of the route (Wood Green - Oakthorpe Park). It wouldn't have made it round the Broadwater Farm section. A split of the route in two to say: W4 Wood Green - Tottenham Hale (Ferry Lane) and W2: Oakthorpe Park - Woodberry Down (because those new flats gotta have a bus service) with longer buses - get more services through the Haringey Warehouse District (I know there’s a lot of bollards in the middle of the roads in that area though!) I’m sure with Meridian Water on the horizon there will be interesting plans for routes like the 192. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 19:19:26 GMT
I would like a night service over the 96, be it an extension of the 53 or stand alone.
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Post by M1104 on Jan 15, 2019 19:33:12 GMT
Actually surprised P4, 355 and 95 haven't got decks yet... Unfortnately with the P4 there's long standing residential issues with regular deckers through Dulwich Village. |
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Post by 700101 on Jan 15, 2019 20:24:59 GMT
I would like a night service over the 96, be it an extension of the 53 or stand alone. With either an N53 diverted to serve QE hospital or an N96 to start/terminate at QE |
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Post by redexpress on Jan 15, 2019 20:33:44 GMT
Double Deckers on the 143 and withdrawal of the Hail and Ride Section. Full Time Double Deckers on the 288,303 24 Hour weekend service on 240 - PVR = 6 24 Hour weekend service on 328 - PVR = Current PVR on daytime service 24 Hour weekend service on 210 - PVR = 13 24 Hour service on 260 - PVR = Current PVR on Daytime service 24 Hour service on 142 (N142 from Golders Green via Brent Cross Station to Watford Junction) = 14 Sorry but this doesn't make much sense. If your night service has the same PVR as your daytime service, with higher running speeds at night you'd end up with a higher frequency at night than during the day.
Can I ask where you're getting these PVR figures from? Normally you should specify the frequency you want, then work out the PVR from that. You seem to be doing it the other way round!
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Post by Green Kitten on Jan 15, 2019 21:08:39 GMT
Double Deckers on the 143 and withdrawal of the Hail and Ride Section. Full Time Double Deckers on the 288,303 24 Hour weekend service on 240 - PVR = 6 24 Hour weekend service on 328 - PVR = Current PVR on daytime service 24 Hour weekend service on 210 - PVR = 13 24 Hour service on 260 - PVR = Current PVR on Daytime service 24 Hour service on 142 (N142 from Golders Green via Brent Cross Station to Watford Junction) = 14 I don't think any of these routes really need 24-hour service. 328 is covered by 139s and the N31. The 260 follows the 266 for a while. I have ridden the last 210 many times and it was hardly busy (I was the only one on the top deck most of the time). Mill Hill East could use a night service as the whole place is a gray area for night buses. |
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Post by abellion on Jan 16, 2019 20:04:22 GMT
Actually surprised P4, 355 and 95 haven't got decks yet... Unfortnately with the P4 there's long standing residential issues with regular deckers through Dulwich Village. Shame, I know a few places with 24hr/normal DD routes going around housing areas and they seem fine.. maybe the 316 could get deckers... but of course residental issues and 295 snatched the decks |
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Post by busaholic on Jan 16, 2019 20:40:44 GMT
Unfortnately with the P4 there's long standing residential issues with regular deckers through Dulwich Village. Shame, I know a few places with 24hr/normal DD routes going around housing areas and they seem fine.. maybe the 316 could get deckers... but of course residental issues and 295 snatched the decks Dulwich Village: the site of London's only private toll road. Dulwich Village: where Margaret and Denis Thatcher were planning to retire to. Dulwich Village (and much of West Dulwich): where the writ of Dulwich College Estates still holds enormous sway, both in law and in other, more nebulous ways. i speak as executor of my late brother-in=law's estate and my attempts to assist his widow, my sister, with her endeavour to run a children's nursery in part of a residential property that was otherwise her home. The influence of these people should not be under-estimated! |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Jan 16, 2019 21:14:20 GMT
Shame, I know a few places with 24hr/normal DD routes going around housing areas and they seem fine.. maybe the 316 could get deckers... but of course residental issues and 295 snatched the decks Dulwich Village: the site of London's only private toll road. Dulwich Village: where Margaret and Denis Thatcher were planning to retire to. Dulwich Village (and much of West Dulwich): where the writ of Dulwich College Estates still holds enormous sway, both in law and in other, more nebulous ways. i speak as executor of my late brother-in=law's estate and my attempts to assist his widow, my sister, with her endeavour to run a children's nursery in part of a residential property that was otherwise her home. The influence of these people should not be under-estimated! This is one of the reasons why The Grove Tavern pub has been left derelict for the last few years. In an ideal world, the P4 would be diverted away from Dulwich Village to allow deckers via East Dulwich Grove and Lordship Lane. Going back on topic: 185 should be 24/7, providing a 30 min service. This would give 4bph between Camberwell Green and Forest Hill (176) while providing overnight connections to Lewisham and Catford which currently overnight requires changing buses in Peckham or Camberwell in this area. Extra buses on the 197 between Peckham and Forest Hill during shopping hours. This would reduce the loads on the 176 and 185 for which 197 passengers get on after the 12 if there's a long wait at Dulwich Library. Sunday service increased to 15 mins along the whole length of the route. 356 increased to every 15 mins Mon-Sat, 20 Sunday. 122 divided into two separate routes. One running between Crystal Palace and Lewisham, the other would start from Plumstead, run to Lewisham as now then along Rushey Green to Catford or Catford Garage. There would be the loss of direct connections from Crystal Palace, Sydenham, Forest Hill and Brockley Rise to Lee, Eltham Green, Woolwich & Plumstead, but the hopper should give enough time to change between the two routes. Diverting the Plumstead end to Catford would give extra capacity for passengers travelling to Woolwich along Rushey Green, reliving the 54. |
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Post by busaholic on Jan 16, 2019 22:39:00 GMT
Dulwich Village: the site of London's only private toll road. Dulwich Village: where Margaret and Denis Thatcher were planning to retire to. Dulwich Village (and much of West Dulwich): where the writ of Dulwich College Estates still holds enormous sway, both in law and in other, more nebulous ways. i speak as executor of my late brother-in=law's estate and my attempts to assist his widow, my sister, with her endeavour to run a children's nursery in part of a residential property that was otherwise her home. The influence of these people should not be under-estimated! This is one of the reasons why The Grove Tavern pub has been left derelict for the last few years. In an ideal world, the P4 would be diverted away from Dulwich Village to allow deckers via East Dulwich Grove and Lordship Lane. Going back on topic: 185 should be 24/7, providing a 30 min service. This would give 4bph between Camberwell Green and Forest Hill (176) while providing overnight connections to Lewisham and Catford which currently overnight requires changing buses in Peckham or Camberwell in this area. Extra buses on the 197 between Peckham and Forest Hill during shopping hours. This would reduce the loads on the 176 and 185 for which 197 passengers get on after the 12 if there's a long wait at Dulwich Library. Sunday service increased to 15 mins along the whole length of the route. 356 increased to every 15 mins Mon-Sat, 20 Sunday. 122 divided into two separate routes. One running between Crystal Palace and Lewisham, the other would start from Plumstead, run to Lewisham as now then along Rushey Green to Catford or Catford Garage. There would be the loss of direct connections from Crystal Palace, Sydenham, Forest Hill and Brockley Rise to Lee, Eltham Green, Woolwich & Plumstead, but the hopper should give enough time to change between the two routes. Diverting the Plumstead end to Catford would give extra capacity for passengers travelling to Woolwich along Rushey Green, reliving the 54. I've with you on 24 hr 185. If extra buses are needed between Peckham and beyond Dulwich Library, towards Forest Hill, then I'd go for a re-extension of the 12 to the latter point (but not the whole service.) After all, the 12 is a mere shadow of its former self, and the length of the route shouldn't be an issue. It would also placate the householders near the Dulwich terminus who are never happy with the number of buses turning there. As for Woolwich bound passengers along Rushey Green, the 180 should never have been withdrawn from the area, but that's a battle long lost! |
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Post by DE20106 on Jan 16, 2019 22:43:14 GMT
Dulwich Village: the site of London's only private toll road. Dulwich Village: where Margaret and Denis Thatcher were planning to retire to. Dulwich Village (and much of West Dulwich): where the writ of Dulwich College Estates still holds enormous sway, both in law and in other, more nebulous ways. i speak as executor of my late brother-in=law's estate and my attempts to assist his widow, my sister, with her endeavour to run a children's nursery in part of a residential property that was otherwise her home. The influence of these people should not be under-estimated! This is one of the reasons why The Grove Tavern pub has been left derelict for the last few years. In an ideal world, the P4 would be diverted away from Dulwich Village to allow deckers via East Dulwich Grove and Lordship Lane. Going back on topic: 185 should be 24/7, providing a 30 min service. This would give 4bph between Camberwell Green and Forest Hill (176) while providing overnight connections to Lewisham and Catford which currently overnight requires changing buses in Peckham or Camberwell in this area. Extra buses on the 197 between Peckham and Forest Hill during shopping hours. This would reduce the loads on the 176 and 185 for which 197 passengers get on after the 12 if there's a long wait at Dulwich Library. Sunday service increased to 15 mins along the whole length of the route. 356 increased to every 15 mins Mon-Sat, 20 Sunday. 122 divided into two separate routes. One running between Crystal Palace and Lewisham, the other would start from Plumstead, run to Lewisham as now then along Rushey Green to Catford or Catford Garage. There would be the loss of direct connections from Crystal Palace, Sydenham, Forest Hill and Brockley Rise to Lee, Eltham Green, Woolwich & Plumstead, but the hopper should give enough time to change between the two routes. Diverting the Plumstead end to Catford would give extra capacity for passengers travelling to Woolwich along Rushey Green, reliving the 54. I’d say the 122 doesn’t need splitting, Stagecoach run it very well as it is, yes despite it being very long. Also the 122 has been split before (into the 122 and the 422) so I wouldn’t say it needs splitting again. I’d definitely say the 185 needs a night service too  |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Jan 16, 2019 23:39:02 GMT
If extra buses are needed between Peckham and beyond Dulwich Library, towards Forest Hill, then I'd go for a re-extension of the 12 to the latter point (but not the whole service.) After all, the 12 is a mere shadow of its former self, and the length of the route shouldn't be an issue. It would also placate the householders near the Dulwich terminus who are never happy with the number of buses turning there. I have previously been in favour of extending the 12, however I fear that the reliability of the route would go down due to traffic along the South Circular, along with the lack of stand space as Church Rise, which used to be used for Route 194 (and 171) was returned for residential use. |
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Post by busaholic on Jan 16, 2019 23:56:46 GMT
If extra buses are needed between Peckham and beyond Dulwich Library, towards Forest Hill, then I'd go for a re-extension of the 12 to the latter point (but not the whole service.) After all, the 12 is a mere shadow of its former self, and the length of the route shouldn't be an issue. It would also placate the householders near the Dulwich terminus who are never happy with the number of buses turning there. I have previously been in favour of extending the 12, however I fear that the reliability of the route would go down due to traffic along the South Circular, along with the lack of stand space as Church Rise, which used to be used for Route 194 (and 171) was returned for residential use. It's a long, long time since i went through Forest Hill, other than on a train, but the stand for the 176, 185 and 12 shorts used to be described as the Railway Telegraph pub. and was a few yards away from Stanstead Road, nearer to the station than the 171 and 194 terminus. It probably doesn't exist any longer - it always had its own stop flag. Is there nowhere else where buses could stand? |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Jan 17, 2019 0:05:09 GMT
I have previously been in favour of extending the 12, however I fear that the reliability of the route would go down due to traffic along the South Circular, along with the lack of stand space as Church Rise, which used to be used for Route 194 (and 171) was returned for residential use. It's a long, long time since i went through Forest Hill, other than on a train, but the stand for the 176, 185 and 12 shorts used to be described as the Railway Telegraph pub. and was a few yards away from Stanstead Road, nearer to the station than the 171 and 194 terminus. It probably doesn't exist any longer - it always had its own stop flag. Is there nowhere else where buses could stand? When buses do shorts to Forest Hill, then tend to park in London Road where the bus stop towards Dulwich is. They'll still use Church Rise to drive down and return, but can't park there. |
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