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Post by foxhat on Apr 4, 2019 14:10:21 GMT
I would have ...
Abellio - 3
Arriva - 29 or 38
CT Plus - 26
Go-Ahead - 11 or 14
Metroline - 6 or 24
RATP - 139
Stagecoach - 8
Tower Transit - 13
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 14:19:13 GMT
My local garages:
Metroline EW - 113
RATP BT - 139
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Post by redexpress on Apr 4, 2019 15:30:24 GMT
I've often thought do garages have what they call flagship routes. If they do some are obvious like RP is the 18, CT is the 38. But what would AFs or FW be? I would have thought it would be the route with the lowest running numbers? FW have the 281 with single digits. Trust me, no-one, at any point in time, has ever called the 4 a flagship route. Not even London Suburban when they only had three routes! (It has used running numbers HT1+ since 1996) |
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Post by BK15AZR on Apr 4, 2019 15:49:38 GMT
SI - 100 or 135?
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Post by snoggle on Apr 4, 2019 17:13:07 GMT
The flagship route would be high pvr, and high contract value. i.e the 38 is the flagship route for Arriva London. You've beaten me to it. I was going to say exactly the same - high PVR, high contract cost (and thus high potential earnings). Doubly so if the route is *so* large, like the 38, that no one else bids for it which means there is an opportunity for higher £ per km bid prices. It all really boils down to money. I have to say that I am very sceptical these days that any garages are run on the basis of having flagship routes. I rather suspect routes are run to maximise their profitability and not much else. That may sound brutal but I don't see much scope for sentiment these days in having routes that somehow get preferential treatment. Everything has to be run to squeeze every last pence of profitability out of it. I suspect controllers have a list of "bleepy bleep awful to run" routes that are a daily nightmare to get right.  |
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Post by george on Apr 4, 2019 19:37:06 GMT
This is what I would have for LU RAPT garages.
FW 65
AV 111
HH 285
RP 18
S 148
V 9
TV 85
This is what I would have for GAL (London General)
C X26
AL 57
NP 76
AF 14
SW 11
A 93
RA 521
PL 493
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 4, 2019 19:39:14 GMT
I'd have thought the 93 would be the flagship for A.
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Post by YY13VKP on Apr 4, 2019 19:39:35 GMT
This is what I would have for LU RAPT garages. FW 65 AV 111 HH 285 RP 18 S 148 V 9 TV 85 This is what I would have for GAL (London General) C X26 AL 57 NP 76 AF 14 SW 11 A 80 RA 521 PL 493 I would say the 119 is a candidate to be Croydon's flagship route as I think it's been there the longest. In addition: Arriva (TC): 312 Abellio (BC): 109 or 407 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 19:39:45 GMT
GAL RR 15/115
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Post by george on Apr 4, 2019 19:43:12 GMT
I'd have thought the 93 would be the flagship for A. I actually meant to write 93 lol. Will edit now. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 4, 2019 19:43:16 GMT
Might as well do my local Stagecoach ones seeing as people have beaten me to the Arriva and GAL ones  BK - 145 NS - 86 RM - 174 WH - 97 BW - 8 |
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Post by busoccultation on Apr 4, 2019 19:50:38 GMT
Definitely the 135 for me by a large margin. |
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Post by busaholic on Apr 4, 2019 19:55:42 GMT
When do 'iconic' and 'flagship' align? I notice the 73 has only had one mention so far, on the basis of being SF's flagship route. That would have been unthinkable even three or four years ago, but shows it's a shadow of its former self. As for no 227, well, I despair! Former Bus Route of the Year more than once, etc. Those Citaros didn't get there by chance!
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Post by rif153 on Apr 4, 2019 19:57:13 GMT
This is what I would have for LU RAPT garages. FW 65 AV 111 HH 285 RP 18 S 148 V 9 TV 85 This is what I would have for GAL (London General) C X26 AL 57 NP 76 AF 14 SW 11 A 93 RA 521 PL 493 I would argue AL's flagship route is the 44 |
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Post by george on Apr 4, 2019 20:02:36 GMT
This is what I would have for LU RAPT garages. FW 65 AV 111 HH 285 RP 18 S 148 V 9 TV 85 This is what I would have for GAL (London General) C X26 AL 57 NP 76 AF 14 SW 11 A 93 RA 521 PL 493 I would argue AL's flagship route is the 44 Very close one that, also for S was debating whether to pick the 94. |
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