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Post by londonboy71 on Jun 20, 2019 7:51:57 GMT
Personally, I think the 65 needs extra assistance along its entire routing but there is too much obsession with removing the stands at Manor Circus because then you could extend the 71 to Richmond, Manor Circus via the 65 and introduce a new route for the Ealing to Richmond section alongside the 65. On the other hand, a small restructure could (I stress could a lot) be done instead between the proposed 110 and the existing 33 where the 33 ends up as a Fulwell to Ealing route taking the E10’s stand with deckers with the 110 running over the existing 33 to Hammersmith Bridge. The thought of a decker 33 turning up in Ealing certainly appeals to the enthusiast in me! I haven’t ridden or observed the 65 through South Ealing for a long time. Does it really need that much help at all times of the day? Wouldn’t 2-3 extra buses running between Ealing and Richmond during the day solve the problem? Anyhow, if we’re going to get creative with support for the 65, I would extend the 94 to Ealing Broadway once its lopped back to Marble Arch as part of the Crossrail changes. Buses would run via Chiswick Business Park and Chiswick High Road before joining the 65 from Kew Bridge. Peak frequency reduced to every 8-9 minutes. To make space at Ealing I would extend the E9 to Acton Market Place. This would provide the 207 with some assistance between Acton and Ealing once the 427 has been diverted to Southall Station. Dont need any more buses between Ealing and Acton you forgot 607 which is always busy. The problem with 65 is that 2 come along almost simultaneously then theres a long wait for next one. This has been happening for a long time so another bus especially between Brentford and Ealing Bdy would help |
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Post by busman on Jun 20, 2019 9:34:23 GMT
The thought of a decker 33 turning up in Ealing certainly appeals to the enthusiast in me! I haven’t ridden or observed the 65 through South Ealing for a long time. Does it really need that much help at all times of the day? Wouldn’t 2-3 extra buses running between Ealing and Richmond during the day solve the problem? Anyhow, if we’re going to get creative with support for the 65, I would extend the 94 to Ealing Broadway once its lopped back to Marble Arch as part of the Crossrail changes. Buses would run via Chiswick Business Park and Chiswick High Road before joining the 65 from Kew Bridge. Peak frequency reduced to every 8-9 minutes. To make space at Ealing I would extend the E9 to Acton Market Place. This would provide the 207 with some assistance between Acton and Ealing once the 427 has been diverted to Southall Station. Dont need any more buses between Ealing and Acton you forgot 607 which is always busy. The problem with 65 is that 2 come along almost simultaneously then theres a long wait for next one. This has been happening for a long time so another bus especially between Brentford and Ealing Bdy would help So having 1-2 buses running between Ealing and Kew Green would do the trick? That sounds easier and cheaper than extending a route down South Ealing Road and more beneficial than cutting back the 65 to “improve reliability”. I guess the E10/112 extension is handy in that it links Osterley and Brentford Station to Ealing. When I lived in the area I used to have to catch the E8 and walk a fair way down the A4 to reach my destination. There are some useful shops and large employers down that way, so the new link would be well used during the day. |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 20, 2019 14:25:42 GMT
Personally, I think the 65 needs extra assistance along its entire routing but there is too much obsession with removing the stands at Manor Circus because then you could extend the 71 to Richmond, Manor Circus via the 65 and introduce a new route for the Ealing to Richmond section alongside the 65. On the other hand, a small restructure could (I stress could a lot) be done instead between the proposed 110 and the existing 33 where the 33 ends up as a Fulwell to Ealing route taking the E10’s stand with deckers with the 110 running over the existing 33 to Hammersmith Bridge. The thought of a decker 33 turning up in Ealing certainly appeals to the enthusiast in me! I haven’t ridden or observed the 65 through South Ealing for a long time. Does it really need that much help at all times of the day? Wouldn’t 2-3 extra buses running between Ealing and Richmond during the day solve the problem? Anyhow, if we’re going to get creative with support for the 65, I would extend the 94 to Ealing Broadway once its lopped back to Marble Arch as part of the Crossrail changes. Buses would run via Chiswick Business Park and Chiswick High Road before joining the 65 from Kew Bridge. Peak frequency reduced to every 8-9 minutes. To make space at Ealing I would extend the E9 to Acton Market Place. This would provide the 207 with some assistance between Acton and Ealing once the 427 has been diverted to Southall Station. Although I'm not a local, from my observations the 65 needs help along the entire route as I've seen 65's leave Kingston rammed and my observations have 90% outside peaks and usually on Saturdays. You could argue that 2-3 buses could work but the horrendous traffic the 65 has to pile through at Kew as well as it tackling Kingston & Ealing plus the loads wouldn't be as beneficial as expected. A second route arriving at times and keeping the 65's current frequency as well might work better - of course, if more was done to solve congestion, that would be a great start and may give the 65 some breathing room with the 2-3 extra buses only. The Kingston to Richmond section could be supplemented with the 71 which isn't too long in its current form (not that its current length is an issue) with adjusted frequencies which might satisfy those saying the 65 and my 33 proposal would be overkill. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2019 15:14:01 GMT
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65 does need help. I asked at the time of the frequency increase why it didn’t get same treatment on Sunday’s. TfL didn’t go for it apparently. The route is packed on Sunday’s and during summer months has to contend with serious traffic congestion. I wonder whether a RP allocation would help with change overs then not so reliant on reaching Kingston. FW run it as best they can, but inevitably by the time the buses reach Ealing they are often going straight in straight out. Perhaps some short journeys between Richmond and Kingston , and/ or between Ealing and Richmond would help at peak hours.
Difficult one though because throwing more buses at it will just lead to more bunching. I don’t think splitting the route is a good idea. The 71 performs very well in its almost shuttle service ensuring a reliable link with the south of Kingston borough with the centre, so wouldn’t touch that. Maybe the proposed shortened 391 could play a role , if it were withdrawn from the lightly used Kew Gardens section and run direct via the 65 with an extension to Kingston ( so Hammersmith to Kingston) , maybe at x15 mins? Extend 371 to Kew Gardens Stn instead and put H37 into Richmond Sainsburys,
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Post by evergreenadam on Jun 20, 2019 21:23:47 GMT
. 65 does need help. I asked at the time of the frequency increase why it didn’t get same treatment on Sunday’s. TfL didn’t go for it apparently. The route is packed on Sunday’s and during summer months has to contend with serious traffic congestion. I wonder whether a RP allocation would help with change overs then not so reliant on reaching Kingston. FW run it as best they can, but inevitably by the time the buses reach Ealing they are often going straight in straight out. Perhaps some short journeys between Richmond and Kingston , and/ or between Ealing and Richmond would help at peak hours. Difficult one though because throwing more buses at it will just lead to more bunching. I don’t think splitting the route is a good idea. The 71 performs very well in its almost shuttle service ensuring a reliable link with the south of Kingston borough with the centre, so wouldn’t touch that. Maybe the proposed shortened 391 could play a role , if it were withdrawn from the lightly used Kew Gardens section and run direct via the 65 with an extension to Kingston ( so Hammersmith to Kingston) , maybe at x15 mins? Extend 371 to Kew Gardens Stn instead and put H37 into Richmond Sainsburys, That would certainly work at the middle and southern ends of route 65. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 15:58:29 GMT
LA68DXG This including two others have transferred from route 43 to 607 bus which I appreciate is probably no longer classed as new but still gobsmacked it is getting buses registered in feb this year from an inner London route when you think of the bangers used on 607 over the years
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Post by ak121 on Jul 17, 2019 20:09:08 GMT
LA68DXG This including two others have transferred from route 43 to 607 bus which I appreciate is probably no longer classed as new but still gobsmacked it is getting buses registered in feb this year from an inner London route when you think of the bangers used on 607 over the years The 43's electrics are slowly coming in to service, releasing the VMHs for the 607, 90 and other routes. The plan is to fully convert the 607 to VMH and there will probably won't be anymore 'old bangers' operating the service soon. |
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Post by londonboy71 on Jul 17, 2019 20:30:46 GMT
LA68DXG This including two others have transferred from route 43 to 607 bus which I appreciate is probably no longer classed as new but still gobsmacked it is getting buses registered in feb this year from an inner London route when you think of the bangers used on 607 over the years The 43's electrics are slowly coming in to service, releasing the VMHs for the 607, 90 and other routes. The plan is to fully convert the 607 to VMH and there will probably won't be anymore 'old bangers' operating the service soon. What is a VMH? |
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Post by rif153 on Jul 17, 2019 20:35:20 GMT
The 43's electrics are slowly coming in to service, releasing the VMHs for the 607, 90 and other routes. The plan is to fully convert the 607 to VMH and there will probably won't be anymore 'old bangers' operating the service soon. What is a VMH? VMH is just a fleet code use by Metroline to describe their Evosetis |
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Post by londonboy71 on Jul 19, 2019 9:18:52 GMT
New Route:
Ealing Hospital Southall Norwood Green Tentelow Lane Windmill Lane Osterley Tesco Syon Lane West Middlesex Hospital
Every 30 mins. Helps 120 and new links
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Post by rif153 on Sept 21, 2019 17:53:54 GMT
I know this thread hasn't seen any activity for a few months, but I have a niche issue which I feel is best suited to this thread.
Was in Ealing Broadway, and something I'd almost forgotten came to mind. The westbound stop for what was then the 83/207/607/E11 used to be much closer to Ealing Broadway Station then it is now. It used to be opposite Natwest (just by the junction of Haven Green and The Mall, approximately at 67-71 the Mall). However, when the 207 convert to bendies in 2005, the stop was moved 400 feet east to its current location. The current location is god awful, and a pain in the arse if you're coming out of the station, and are faced with the chioce of either walking back to that stop or walking towards Christchurch to pick up the bus there. The 207 hasn't seen a bendy bus for eight years now, and to put in to conext how long ago 2005 (when the stop was moved back) was, two young routes, the 427 and 483 now serve that stop, whilst the 83 no longer does
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Post by busaholic on Sept 21, 2019 18:16:12 GMT
I know this thread hasn't seen any activity for a few months, but I have a niche issue which I feel is best suited to this thread. Was in Ealing Broadway, and something I'd almost forgotten came to mind. The westbound stop for what was then the 83/207/607/E11 used to be much closer to Ealing Broadway Station then it is now. It used to be opposite Natwest (just by the junction of Haven Green and The Mall, approximately at 67-71 the Mall). However, when the 207 convert to bendies in 2005, the stop was moved 400 feet east to its current location. The current location is god awful, and a pain in the arse if you're coming out of the station, and are faced with the chioce of either walking back to that stop or walking towards Christchurch to pick up the bus there. The 207 hasn't seen a bendy bus for eight years now, and to put in to conext how long ago 2005 (when the stop was moved back) was, two young routes, the 427 and 483 now serve that stop, whilst the 83 no longer does There are quite a few examples of this in London still (i.e. stops moved or abolished because bendies supposedly couldn't use them safely) and, so far as I know, very few have been restored/replaced in the interim, or moved again except when schemes like at Aldgate change the landscape totally. It was ironic that TfL were causing less mobile passengers grief at the same time as trumpeting accessibility. Really, it's only wheelchair users who've rightly seen a significant added benefit in using buses over the last decade or two. |
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