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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 8, 2019 15:42:04 GMT
Delete the areas outside of london from the list but certainly Dagenham, Hornchurch, North Harrow would be on the list. Bar probably a couple of journeys a night/weekend I doubly many N routes pay for themselves. Whilst it's normal to relieve a subsidy to routes there is no way TFL will run non profit making services across the border.
Feltham does have the (N285).
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Post by vjaska on Jul 8, 2019 17:59:28 GMT
Areas that need Night Bus: Dagenham Hornchurch Watford Staines Ashford Feltham Dartford Esher(from Kingston) North Harrow. Any more?? With what justification?
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Post by londonboy71 on Jul 8, 2019 21:07:49 GMT
Delete the areas outside of london from the list but certainly Dagenham, Hornchurch, North Harrow would be on the list. Bar probably a couple of journeys a night/weekend I doubly many N routes pay for themselves. Whilst it's normal to relieve a subsidy to routes there is no way TFL will run non profit making services across the border. Feltham does have the (N285). No night bus to Feltham from Central London 285 runs from Heathrow to Kingston
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 8, 2019 21:29:52 GMT
There's quite a few areas that don't have central London links at Night.
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Post by londonboy71 on Jul 9, 2019 13:11:47 GMT
Delete the areas outside of london from the list but certainly Dagenham, Hornchurch, North Harrow would be on the list. Bar probably a couple of journeys a night/weekend I doubly many N routes pay for themselves. Whilst it's normal to relieve a subsidy to routes there is no way TFL will run non profit making services across the border. Feltham does have the (N285). Nigh Bus : Stratford Forest Gate Manor Park Ilford Green Lane Becontree Rush Green Heathway Dagenham ( N145?) Night Bus NR1: Romford Hornchurch Upminster Gidea Park Romford N183: Golders Green Hendon West Hendon Kingsbury Kenton Harrow North Harrow Eastcote Northwood Mount Vernon Hospital
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Post by Hassaan on Jul 9, 2019 13:48:27 GMT
As a night driver of several night routes in the Central to South-East area I think TFL really need to review running times. The introduction of all these 20mph zones is great but when the running times do not reflect these then anyone wonders why some routes are constantly running late. Ill give some examples; N136 - northbound the running time is fine, southbound (towards Chislehurst), in the week there is 23 minutes allocated to get from OXC to Vauxhall, 15 minutes would be ample (weekends some trips are given 30+ minutes over this section) meaning its very slow until Vauxhall, its a gentle cruise to New Cross then from there to Chislehurst you get about 37 minutes (this is the busiest section), you then hit the lengthy 20mph section from Bromley Road - Mottingham Road which reduces time. If we had 8 minutes of the time at the Central section and gave it to the New Cross to Chislehurst section then it would be less of an initial crawl which would then entice people to use it more often. N21 - Those who know this is a busy route, trips are anything between 56 - 65 minutes in the week, with minimum stand at each end, its not realistic when you factor in Bexley Village, Eltham High st and the Citys 20mph limits. N171 - This route is always very busy and well used but with most trips at 45 - 52 minutes and minimum standtime its again unrealistic and late running is very common, the route now has more 20mph zones than 30mph zones, yet like the rest the running times have not changed. N343 - Most trips are anything from 53 - 70 minutes, the majority of the route is now under 20mph zones yet the running time can only really be achieved by driving at about 12mph to avoid having to stop and be potentially running early. This appears to be a general issue with night routes in that part of London when I last went on them (back in 2017 therefore some operators and timetables have changed, and I left Zone 1 somewhere between 0400-0500). N1 and N199 had too much time from Zone 1 to around Canada Water / Surrey Quays then not enough time afterwards. N3 and N68 had too much time from Zone 1 to around Herne Hill then not enough time afterwards. With the N551, the first 2-3 buses from Trafalgar Square could go from Aldgate to Tower Gateway and gain 3-5 minutes! The route had about 10 minutes extra added in the area around December 2015 when the next phase of Aldgate work (temporary closure of Leadenhall Street end) combined with a diversion via Cornhill and Bishopsgate (which ultimately became permanent instead of reverting to Cornhill and Leadenhall Street ). They were actually slow to update the timetable as there were several weekends of buses losing 20+ minutes in the area! Once the work finished, most of the extra time wasn't taken away by Tower Transit, so the route became painful to use.
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Post by enviroPB on Jul 9, 2019 15:51:21 GMT
Delete the areas outside of london from the list but certainly Dagenham, Hornchurch, North Harrow would be on the list. Bar probably a couple of journeys a night/weekend I doubly many N routes pay for themselves. Whilst it's normal to relieve a subsidy to routes there is no way TFL will run non profit making services across the border. Feltham does have the (N285). Nigh Bus : Stratford Forest Gate Manor Park Ilford Green Lane Becontree Rush Green Heathway Dagenham ( N145?) Night Bus NR1: Romford Hornchurch Upminster Gidea Park Romford N183: Golders Green Hendon West Hendon Kingsbury Kenton Harrow North Harrow Eastcote Northwood Mount Vernon Hospital I think the already established N145 can be justified nightly if it had a western terminus that has more footfall at night. An extension to Walthamstow Central with a double run in Leytonstone town centre then following the 257 route would barely add 15 minutes onto the schedule at present, and outside of weekends links to Ilford from Walthamstow would help the N145 drum up patronage. Still would like to see a nightly service to Upminster; best way to do that is to reroute the N86 from Romford and in turn make the 174 24/7. Don't think a completely circular night route will work out too well. Haven't been up to Mount Vernon Hospital but I have hopped on the 183N a couple times and demand fizzles from Kenton and is near dead departing Harrow for Pinner. Not a local but I'd like to see Ruislip served nightly, so maybe make the 114N run all week? Its patronage numbers don't suggest such a service but it does see trains at Mill Hill Broadway deposit people 24 hours a day, 7 days a week in the form of Thameslink services. With that and the lack of alternative routes in the North Harrow/Eastcote areas, a nightly 114 would slowly build up a customer base.
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Post by rif153 on Jul 9, 2019 16:17:19 GMT
Delete the areas outside of london from the list but certainly Dagenham, Hornchurch, North Harrow would be on the list. Bar probably a couple of journeys a night/weekend I doubly many N routes pay for themselves. Whilst it's normal to relieve a subsidy to routes there is no way TFL will run non profit making services across the border. Feltham does have the (N285). The N285 provides a prime example of how night buses in the suburbs don't always necesarrily have to go to Central London but instead many areas can also benefit from buses which connect them to the night tube (the N285 goes to Hatton Cross and Heathrow Central for instance) for access to Central London instead of direct buses.
This isn't to say the sole purpose of the N285 is to act as a night tube feeder route when I'm sure it gets plenty of custom with people needing to go to Heathrow for late night shift work too
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Post by WSD3 on Jul 9, 2019 16:21:37 GMT
Another area that could get a night bus is Southfields
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Post by george on Jul 9, 2019 16:28:30 GMT
Another area that could get a night bus is Southfields I think a 24 hour 493 would be a good idea
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 9, 2019 17:30:45 GMT
The N87 serves part of Southfields along the 156 route.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 9, 2019 18:36:26 GMT
If people are going to suggest places & routes, could they at least give reasons why.
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Post by george on Jul 9, 2019 18:44:14 GMT
If people are going to suggest places & routes, could they at least give reasons why. 493 because it serves roads around southfields that are quite a walk away from other night/24 routes. It also will gave the hospital a 24 hour transport service which it certainly needs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 20:05:39 GMT
Delete the areas outside of london from the list but certainly Dagenham, Hornchurch, North Harrow would be on the list. Bar probably a couple of journeys a night/weekend I doubly many N routes pay for themselves. Whilst it's normal to relieve a subsidy to routes there is no way TFL will run non profit making services across the border. Feltham does have the (N285). Nigh Bus : Stratford Forest Gate Manor Park Ilford Green Lane Becontree Rush Green Heathway Dagenham ( N145?) Night Bus NR1: Romford Hornchurch Upminster Gidea Park Romford N183: Golders Green Hendon West Hendon Kingsbury Kenton Harrow North Harrow Eastcote Northwood Mount Vernon Hospital Would the N145 not duplicate the N25 and N86 too much on the Ilford - Stratford Section.
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Post by rif153 on Jul 9, 2019 21:16:52 GMT
Nigh Bus : Stratford Forest Gate Manor Park Ilford Green Lane Becontree Rush Green Heathway Dagenham ( N145?) Night Bus NR1: Romford Hornchurch Upminster Gidea Park Romford N183: Golders Green Hendon West Hendon Kingsbury Kenton Harrow North Harrow Eastcote Northwood Mount Vernon Hospital Would the N145 not duplicate the N25 and N86 too much on the Ilford - Stratford Section. I think having the N145 go to Leytonstone as the day route does wouldn't be too bad, it'd mean people on that Ilford-Leytonstone section of route aren't missed out by the new night service whilst still connecting to the night tube at Leytonstone. The flip side however is that Stratford has more night life than Leytonstone but I would argue that demand for Stratford-Dagenham travel isn't very high, even during the day so at night I doubt you'd get N145's leaving Stratford bursting.
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