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Post by george on Jul 29, 2019 22:44:32 GMT
Sorry if this is going a little bit of topic but am I right in thinking that the only N routes that don't enter zone 1 are the N33 N72 and N83?
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 29, 2019 22:46:54 GMT
So if this is going a little bit of topic but am I right in thinking that the only N routes that don't enter zone 1 are the N33 N72 and N83? And N65 and N86 thou not many. Most are 24h now. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 29, 2019 22:48:04 GMT
I almost said N277 but of course Angel is in Zone 1 thou it feels like north London really and not central.
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Post by route53 on Jul 29, 2019 22:48:15 GMT
For a time aswell the N53 diverted via Lewisham and Blackheath station quite usefully and the N109 run via Elephant whereas the day 109 didn't. Seeing the N53 in Lewisham was an odd one, I recall the N53 has two eastern branches; one to Thamesmead the other to Erith. The N109 in Elephant also must have seemed strange too. One night route I’m sad TfL axed was the N75 |
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Post by george on Jul 29, 2019 22:49:09 GMT
So if this is going a little bit of topic but am I right in thinking that the only N routes that don't enter zone 1 are the N33 N72 and N83? And N65 and N86 thou not many. Most are 24h now. Thanks completely forgot about the N65. Didn't know about the N86. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 29, 2019 22:55:42 GMT
It's a shame the N25 cant extend 3 journeys an hour to Harold Wood and run 3 to Ilford and give the Ilford to Harold Hill section of the N86 a central link again.
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Post by busaholic on Jul 29, 2019 23:16:58 GMT
Anyone with the slightest interest in the history of London night bus operation should go to Ian Armstrong's London Buses website and look up the 287 under the Night Routes category, the circular bus route to end all circular bus routes, complete with intermediate and ultimate blind changes mid-route, all done by crews working straight shifts of about 4 hr 40 mins.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 30, 2019 3:27:40 GMT
Anyone with the slightest interest in the history of London night bus operation should go to Ian Armstrong's London Buses website and look up the 287 under the Night Routes category, the circular bus route to end all circular bus routes, complete with intermediate and ultimate blind changes mid-route, all done by crews working straight shifts of about 4 hr 40 mins. The irony is that it wasn’t the only circular night route either as the N70 in the 90’s ran from Trafalgar Square to Trafalgar Square before being restructured to run Trafalgar Square to Norwood Junction. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 30, 2019 3:33:09 GMT
For a time aswell the N53 diverted via Lewisham and Blackheath station quite usefully and the N109 run via Elephant whereas the day 109 didn't. Seeing the N53 in Lewisham was an odd one, I recall the N53 has two eastern branches; one to Thamesmead the other to Erith. The N109 in Elephant also must have seemed strange too. One night route I’m sad TfL axed was the N75 The N109 also had 2 branches at Croydon - one to New Addington and the other to Coulsdon. The Coulsdon branch was replaced by the N68’s introduction whilst the rest of the route was renumbered N159 and diverted away from Aldwych to run via the 159 to Marble Arch. |
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Post by redexpress on Jul 30, 2019 7:14:27 GMT
I think the N3 from Victoria/Marble Arch to Beckenham Junction was the first to use a number that l mirrored a day route in 1989. Thou possibly the N2 started in 1984 from CP to North Finchley later Hampstead Heath. Renumbering to create the N8, N25, N44, N109, N155 was in 1995? I believe. N37 was the first exact copy of a day route that became standard after 2000 through to 2004 when 24h routes were created. With the N25, N27, N33, N53, N65, N72, N83 and N277 the N prefix has made a bit of a revival.
N3 was certainly not the first to mirror a day route. The N29 had been introduced in Feb 1982, then in April 1984 there was a major recast of the network including new routes N2, N11, N13, N14 and N18 (could also add the N77 which was based on the 177).
Changes to create the routes that we know today took place in several stages around 1994-1996. In many cases it wasn't just renumbering, many routes were substantially changed, with the general theme being that the new routes were much more closely linked to their daytime counterparts.
I think the first night route to exactly copy a day route was the N253, which ran only between Euston and Aldgate when first introduced in 1993. It was soon given an extension to Trafalgar Square though.
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Post by rif153 on Jul 30, 2019 8:19:55 GMT
I almost said N277 but of course Angel is in Zone 1 thou it feels like north London really and not central. Similarly I was about to say the N31 doesn't enter zone one but then of course it does at High Street Kensington |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 30, 2019 8:53:24 GMT
I almost said N277 but of course Angel is in Zone 1 thou it feels like north London really and not central. Similarly I was about to say the N31 doesn't enter zone one but then of course it does at High Street Kensington At one point, all night routes were centred on running through or terminating at Trafalgar Square except the N31 |
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Post by stuckonthe486 on Jul 30, 2019 11:20:13 GMT
The little kink in the N53 to go via Lewisham and Blackheath Village was very handy, though the right-turn into Lewisham Road used to startle a few top-deck dozers. When the N89 came in, that routeing via Camberwell came in very handy in some of my later night bus-using days - made coming back home from places like Brixton almost more straightforward than getting there in the first place. The big change in night buses - making them run on Saturday nights and all via Trafalgar Square, and expanding the network - came in 1984 with this great poster: www.ltmuseumshop.co.uk/posters/art-design/to-boldly-go-where-no-night-bus-has-gone-before-poster |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 30, 2019 11:43:40 GMT
There was at one point a proposed night bus review that never seemed to happen. This was expected after the night tube bus review that bought us the N199 and weekend 154, 486 etc.
I was expecting that review to return to the notion of the N prefix in some cases as tfl realised the potential efficacy (savings) of 1 N route rather then we or 3 24h routes.
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Post by londonboy71 on Jul 30, 2019 13:06:33 GMT
Anyone with the slightest interest in the history of London night bus operation should go to Ian Armstrong's London Buses website and look up the 287 under the Night Routes category, the circular bus route to end all circular bus routes, complete with intermediate and ultimate blind changes mid-route, all done by crews working straight shifts of about 4 hr 40 mins. The irony is that it wasn’t the only circular night route either as the N70 in the 90’s ran from Trafalgar Square to Trafalgar Square before being restructured to run Trafalgar Square to Norwood Junction. N87 before that Kennington to Kennington via Streatham |
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