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Post by route53 on Jul 28, 2019 16:23:30 GMT
The bus has greater importance relative to other forms of public transport in S.E. London than in other parts of London, which characteristic isn't going to change within the lifetimes of many on here, certainly not me. It was why in post-GLC days the most senior bus route planner in LT was always responsible for South London routes, which for these purposes basically included routes east of Putney and Wimbledon, also why the last trams, with their passenger-gobbling capabilities, ran there. I haven't lived in S.E. London for over 30 years, but I'll always be a S.E. Londoner at heart and speak up for it. I've never lived in another part of London either, though there are other areas I'm fond of and a particular one I worked in for yonks I had an affinity for, but could never have afforded to live there! Now, even if I wanted to, I couldn't afford a hovel in virtually any part of London. I feel very sorry for the young in London, especially those not from affluent families. I'm 72 from Hackney when it was poor I now live in Ealing much more relatively wealthier area but I'll always be an Eastender. Greenwich born and bred, in fact my mother went into labour pains on the 180 bus, luckily it stopped outside the now demolished Greenwich District Hospital, I’ll always be a SE Londoner myself, I grew up watching the 53 (and X53) stride across Blackheath on its way to the West End |
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Post by busaholic on Jul 28, 2019 16:31:07 GMT
The bus has greater importance relative to other forms of public transport in S.E. London than in other parts of London, which characteristic isn't going to change within the lifetimes of many on here, certainly not me. It was why in post-GLC days the most senior bus route planner in LT was always responsible for South London routes, which for these purposes basically included routes east of Putney and Wimbledon, also why the last trams, with their passenger-gobbling capabilities, ran there. I haven't lived in S.E. London for over 30 years, but I'll always be a S.E. Londoner at heart and speak up for it. I've never lived in another part of London either, though there are other areas I'm fond of and a particular one I worked in for yonks I had an affinity for, but could never have afforded to live there! Now, even if I wanted to, I couldn't afford a hovel in virtually any part of London. I feel very sorry for the young in London, especially those not from affluent families. I'm 72 from Hackney when it was poor I now live in Ealing much more relatively wealthier area but I'll always be an Eastender. Absolutely: your background is what helps make you what you are. |
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Post by busaholic on Jul 29, 2019 10:45:47 GMT
I'm 72 from Hackney when it was poor I now live in Ealing much more relatively wealthier area but I'll always be an Eastender. Greenwich born and bred, in fact my mother went into labour pains on the 180 bus, luckily it stopped outside the now demolished Greenwich District Hospital, I’ll always be a SE Londoner myself, I grew up watching the 53 (and X53) stride across Blackheath on its way to the West End I take it you're leading the opposition to the ruination of the 180! In my case, being born a few weeks after the creation of the NHS in the midst of the post-war baby boom I was born at home, as was the norm then for ordinary folk, and home happened to be on Westmount Road, Eltham, with a bus stop on the 160 outside the house next door. No wonder perhaps my first spoken word was bus, and my obsession started at birth, almost literally.  |
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Post by route53 on Jul 29, 2019 13:39:42 GMT
Greenwich born and bred, in fact my mother went into labour pains on the 180 bus, luckily it stopped outside the now demolished Greenwich District Hospital, I’ll always be a SE Londoner myself, I grew up watching the 53 (and X53) stride across Blackheath on its way to the West End I take it you're leading the opposition to the ruination of the 180! In my case, being born a few weeks after the creation of the NHS in the midst of the post-war baby boom I was born at home, as was the norm then for ordinary folk, and home happened to be on Westmount Road, Eltham, with a bus stop on the 160 outside the house next door. No wonder perhaps my first spoken word was bus, and my obsession started at birth, almost literally. Wow I bet seeing all those all shiny red RT’s would have also kicked started your bus obsession, :-) For me it was getting the routes X53 and 726 as a child was what got me the bus bug Don’t get me started on the 180 being utterly destroyed, It’s honestly worse than what they’ve done to the 53, I’ve even written to the MP about it, there’s no reason to weaken the Woolwich-Greenwich corridor, it needs more buses at this point not less. |
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Post by busaholic on Jul 29, 2019 14:00:52 GMT
I take it you're leading the opposition to the ruination of the 180! In my case, being born a few weeks after the creation of the NHS in the midst of the post-war baby boom I was born at home, as was the norm then for ordinary folk, and home happened to be on Westmount Road, Eltham, with a bus stop on the 160 outside the house next door. No wonder perhaps my first spoken word was bus, and my obsession started at birth, almost literally. Wow I bet seeing all those all shiny red RT’s would have also kicked started your bus obsession, :-) For me it was getting the routes X53 and 726 as a child was what got me the bus bug Don’t get me started on the 180 being utterly destroyed, It’s honestly worse than what they’ve done to the 53, I’ve even written to the MP about it, there’s no reason to weaken the Woolwich-Greenwich corridor, it needs more buses at this point not less. When I get the energy up and do a little bit of research I'll open a thread speculating on what might have happened had the LPTB's original pre WW2 plan to convert tram routes to trolleybus, as indeed happened just over the river in 1939, come to fruition, bearing in mind that would have brought further trolleybuses onto the Woolwich to Abbey Wood axis, and that tram route 58 covered the Catford/Lewisham to East Gteenwich routeing in the course of its journey from Victoria to Blackwall Tunnel. The 180 decision is worse than crass (the 53 one being 'merely' crass) I would agree, especially as it seems to have been the result of pressure from Greenwich councillors/officers who obviously have scant regard of what is necessary for Lewisham, or for that matter Greenwich residents who want/need to travel there. It's scandalous. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 29, 2019 14:57:40 GMT
Switching the 129 and 180 between Greenwich and Lewisham is totally acceptable and logical to improve links to N Greenwich but cutting the route betwen Greenwich and Busbys way seems harsh.
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Post by busaholic on Jul 29, 2019 16:09:11 GMT
Switching the 129 and 180 between Greenwich and Lewisham is totally acceptable and logical to improve links to N Greenwich but cutting the route betwen Greenwich and Busbys way seems harsh. You're looking at it from a N Greenwich perspective, which I'm not. The 180 needs go nowhere near N Greenwich: other means exist to provide the links if they are considered necessary. |
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Post by route53 on Jul 29, 2019 16:15:36 GMT
Switching the 129 and 180 between Greenwich and Lewisham is totally acceptable and logical to improve links to N Greenwich but cutting the route betwen Greenwich and Busbys way seems harsh. The 180 isn’t needed at North Greenwich at all, the 180 change is just a duplication of the 472, the 472 should have been extended to Erith Riverside, if TfL were that concerned with linking Erith to NG (twenty years too late) by all means extend the 129, but to Camberwell instead or somewhere further past Lewisham to Catford or Beckenham. The 180 should be left as it is, incidentally the 180 is a pretty old route, which used to run from Lower Sydenham at one time, in January 1998, after the 180 became a Harris Bus, LT at the time ran special routemaster and RT buses to commemorate the route, I got on the RT which was absolutely amazing! |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 29, 2019 17:54:23 GMT
busaholic route53 I think what southlondonbus is saying is just swap the 129 & 180 terminus at their western ends so the 129 runs from Lewisham to North Greenwich and the 180 runs from Greenwich to Erith Quarry.
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Post by londonboy71 on Jul 29, 2019 17:59:01 GMT
busaholic route53 I think what southlondonbus is saying is just swap the 129 & 180 terminus at their western ends so the 129 runs from Lewisham to North Greenwich and the 180 runs from Greenwich to Erith Quarry. Sorry whats this got to do with routes history? This thread is "Bud routes that are older than people think" you're discussing swapping terminals!! |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 29, 2019 18:11:00 GMT
busaholic route53 I think what southlondonbus is saying is just swap the 129 & 180 terminus at their western ends so the 129 runs from Lewisham to North Greenwich and the 180 runs from Greenwich to Erith Quarry. Sorry whats this got to do with routes history? This thread is "Bud routes that are older than people think" you're discussing swapping terminals!! As can happen, discussion can stray a little bit from time to time The whole business about the 129 & 180 was brought up by others to begin with so I hope your post is to them as well rather than myself? |
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Post by route53 on Jul 29, 2019 18:46:47 GMT
busaholic route53 I think what southlondonbus is saying is just swap the 129 & 180 terminus at their western ends so the 129 runs from Lewisham to North Greenwich and the 180 runs from Greenwich to Erith Quarry. Sorry whats this got to do with routes history? This thread is "Bud routes that are older than people think" you're discussing swapping terminals!! Sorry, we strayed off topic, discussing history of routes and can tie into the present day operating of routes |
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Post by londonboy71 on Jul 29, 2019 20:19:13 GMT
Sorry whats this got to do with routes history? This thread is "Bud routes that are older than people think" you're discussing swapping terminals!! Sorry, we strayed off topic, discussing history of routes and can tie into the present day operating of routes For those who don't know Mike Harris' Londondbusmap site gives route histories from 1934 and sometimes before |
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Jul 30, 2019 12:45:57 GMT
busaholic route53 I think what southlondonbus is saying is just swap the 129 & 180 terminus at their western ends so the 129 runs from Lewisham to North Greenwich and the 180 runs from Greenwich to Erith Quarry. Sorry whats this got to do with routes history? This thread is "Bud routes that are older than people think" you're discussing swapping terminals!! Here on TBF discussion can often stray a little, as long as it doesn't get out of hand and ends up several pages long, it's really fine. Even staff had been guilty of this before, it's just the nature of conversations sometimes. No need to tell people off  |
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Post by busaholic on Jul 30, 2019 13:38:28 GMT
Sorry whats this got to do with routes history? This thread is "Bud routes that are older than people think" you're discussing swapping terminals!! Here on TBF discussion can often stray a little, as long as it doesn't get out of hand and ends up several pages long, it's really fine. Even staff had been guilty of this before, it's just the nature of conversations sometimes. No need to tell people off Yes, thanks, and my last word on the subject (for now- promise ) of the 180 is that, far from swapping termini, I was saying the the route should definitely continue on ite 'historical' trajectory! |
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