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Post by abellion on Jul 21, 2019 20:24:26 GMT
I thought about this after finding out the 146 - which I believe is an hourly service with a low PVR - used to run between Lewisham and Westerham, being introduced in 1934. It could be an interesting trivia game, since everyone knows the big routes such as 24 and 38 but forget the less popular routes in the outer parts of London.
Another example - the 77 was introduced in 1933.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 20:29:19 GMT
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Post by DE20106 on Jul 21, 2019 21:56:50 GMT
Until I found out how long the 80, 102 and 124 had ran out of their respective garages (I think since 1930’s in all three cases with no hiatuses whatsoever) I didn’t think those three were particularly old. I think most routes that run outside zone 1 that have been around for ages won’t stick in people’s minds that much. All central London routes are well known as A) that’s the main area of London (hence why everyone knows the 22, 24, 38, 73 etc) where most people go and B) obviously the bus cuts consultation has drawn a lot of attention to Zone 1 routes also. There are also very well known outer London routes that have attracted lots of attention on here and in the enthusiast community for many reasons: 123 - probably the most talked about route on the forum thanks to snoggle ‘s constant discussions about its dramas 412 - well known for its controversial double decker allocation (ie being completely dead nearly all the time except for school times despite running DDs) D8 - same as 412, although loadings have picked up a lot recently, still enough to warrant deckers though? 140/86 - for just being the absolute machine of outer west/north west and east London respectively 193 - for it’s very eccentric and interesting allocation under GAL 291/W4/410 - for the extremely heavy overcrowding these routes suffer X26 - quite simply for being the longest route in London Im not saying these are the only ones that are well known, I know there are more. But when are these following routes ever mentioned, can’t say I’ve ever seen these routes been talked about properly on the forum unless their tender is coming up: 151, 162, 184, 234, 288, 376, 496, E2, H11, H20 and W5. But even with the well known ones above because they’re not routes used by ‘tourists’ no one really looks into the history of them, like the 193 is really only known for the old allocation it had rather than its history. Unless they’re your local route you wouldn’t really think about looking into the history of them. So I’d say most routes that have been around for ages outside of London will have fallen under the radars of a lot of people. Talking about snoggle after hearing from snowman that he’s ill, if you’re reading I (and I’m sure everyone else on here) wish you a speedy recovery and hope to see you back on here soon   |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 21, 2019 22:01:03 GMT
I think the 80 is from 1926 when the Northern line extended to Morden. Longest served stretch would be Sutton Green to Belmont with extensions as far as Lower Kingswood and extensions/diversions to Morden via Rose Hill, Tooting Broadway then Morden via the current route.
The 146 is probably up there for longest unchanged route running since the 50s between Bromley and Downe or maybe before. The Lewisham section may have gone in the war.
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Post by busaholic on Jul 21, 2019 22:08:14 GMT
I thought about this after finding out the 146 - which I believe is an hourly service with a low PVR - used to run between Lewisham and Westerham, being introduced in 1934. It could be an interesting trivia game, since everyone knows the big routes such as 24 and 38 but forget the less popular routes in the outer parts of London. Another example - the 77 was introduced in 1933. 17 RT buses allocated on a Sunday for the 146 in the year of my birth, 1948! It didn't go via Downe to Westerham, though. The exact same route between those points was worked by Green Line 705 postwar. Another route that was around in 1934 was the 86 between Stratford and Brentwood, which again got replicated in its entirety by Green Line, in this case the 721, the most frequent Green Line route of all time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 22:17:57 GMT
Until I found out how long the 80, 102 and 124 had ran out of their respective garages (I think since 1930’s in all three cases with no hiatuses whatsoever) I didn’t think those three were particularly old. I think most routes that run outside zone 1 that have been around for ages won’t stick in people’s minds that much. All central London routes are well known as A) that’s the main area of London (hence why everyone knows the 22, 24, 38, 73 etc) where most people go and B) obviously the bus cuts consultation has drawn a lot of attention to Zone 1 routes also. There are also very well known outer London routes that have attracted lots of attention on here and in the enthusiast community for many reasons: 123 - probably the most talked about route on the forum thanks to snoggle ‘s constant discussions about its dramas 412 - well known for its controversial double decker allocation (ie being completely dead nearly all the time except for school times despite running DDs) D8 - same as 412, although loadings have picked up a lot recently, still enough to warrant deckers though? 140/86 - for just being the absolute machine of outer west/north west and east London respectively 193 - for it’s very eccentric and interesting allocation under GAL 291/W4/410 - for the extremely heavy overcrowding these routes suffer X26 - quite simply for being the longest route in London Im not saying these are the only ones that are well known, I know there are more. But when are these following routes ever mentioned, can’t say I’ve ever seen these routes been talked about properly on the forum unless their tender is coming up: 151, 162, 184, 234, 288, 376, 496, E2, H11, H20 and W5. But even with the well known ones above because they’re not routes used by ‘tourists’ no one really looks into the history of them, like the 193 is really only known for the old allocation it had rather than its history. Unless they’re your local route you wouldn’t really think about looking into the history of them. So I’d say most routes that have been around for ages outside of London will have fallen under the radars of a lot of people. Talking about snoggle after hearing from snowman that he’s ill, if you’re reading I (and I’m sure everyone else on here) wish you a speedy recovery and hope to see you back on here soon I used to mention the 541 a awful lot, the route started as a 6 month shuttle service and went on to run 3 separate occasions between 2011 and 2015! |
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Post by busaholic on Jul 21, 2019 22:43:42 GMT
Seeing as how the 162 got a mention, and as Rectory Road, Beckenham which fronts the Beckenham Junction terminus was my first married home, I thought of the routes that have terminated there over the years and they all end in even numbers - 126, 162, 194A, 166, even the scheduled peak journeys from Croydon on the 54. For the uninitiated, the Junction has never been a terminus or even a turn on the 227. The 354 is theoretically allowed to turn there, I believe, but War Memorial is much more likely. Maybe I'm forgetting a route somewhere - anyone like to prick my balloon?
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Post by I-Azusio-I on Jul 21, 2019 22:57:41 GMT
There are also very well known outer London routes that have attracted lots of attention on here and in the enthusiast community for many reasons: 123 - probably the most talked about route on the forum thanks to snoggle ‘s constant discussions about its dramas 412 - well known for its controversial double decker allocation (ie being completely dead nearly all the time except for school times despite running DDs) D8 - same as 412, although loadings have picked up a lot recently, still enough to warrant deckers though? 140/86 - for just being the absolute machine of outer west/north west and east London respectively 193 - for it’s very eccentric and interesting allocation under GAL 291/W4/410 - for the extremely heavy overcrowding these routes suffer X26 - quite simply for being the longest route in London Im not saying these are the only ones that are well known, I know there are more. But when are these following routes ever mentioned, can’t say I’ve ever seen these routes been talked about properly on the forum unless their tender is coming up: 151, 162, 184, 234, 288, 376, 496, E2, H11, H20 and W5. 184 gets mentioned on here once in a while in relation to it’s sometimes-unreliable ENL allocation and it’s Alexandra Park diversion when using double deckers. Routes that may be local or familiar to more members or which even have controversial histories, tend to get discussed more outside of tenders and bus type/route changes. |
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Post by paulsw2 on Jul 21, 2019 23:19:09 GMT
Seeing as how the 162 got a mention, and as Rectory Road, Beckenham which fronts the Beckenham Junction terminus was my first married home, I thought of the routes that have terminated there over the years and they all end in even numbers - 126, 162, 194A, 166, even the scheduled peak journeys from Croydon on the 54. For the uninitiated, the Junction has never been a terminus or even a turn on the 227. The 354 is theoretically allowed to turn there, I believe, but War Memorial is much more likely. Maybe I'm forgetting a route somewhere - anyone like to prick my balloon? was extended to Beckenham Junction from 28/10/78 until 27/04/85 The 367 6/01/90-11/03/94 Plus the N3 used to terminate there between 27/10/89 and 5/02/00 (except on Fri/Sat nights when it ran to Chislehurst) |
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Post by george on Jul 21, 2019 23:26:20 GMT
It has changed a lot throughout the years but the 39 began in 1934.
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Post by redexpress on Jul 22, 2019 6:32:50 GMT
It has changed a lot throughout the years but the 39 began in 1934.
It's a great site, but it is worth remembering that the author chose to start most histories from 3 October 1934 (*). That doesn't mean that the route started in 1934 - in many cases the route is much older. For example the 24 started in 1910. For a few routes the author has started to trace the earlier history, but most histories only go back to 1934.
(*) - 3 October 1934 was chosen as it was "the day on which London Transport renumbered many routes from the former Metropolitan Police ‘Bassom System’ of numbering into its own sequence following the acquisition of most of the London independent operators, although a few were still running at this time" (quoted from busmap.co.uk).
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Post by 15002 on Jul 22, 2019 6:50:30 GMT
Until I found out how long the 80, 102 and 124 had ran out of their respective garages (I think since 1930’s in all three cases with no hiatuses whatsoever) I didn’t think those three were particularly old. I think most routes that run outside zone 1 that have been around for ages won’t stick in people’s minds that much. All central London routes are well known as A) that’s the main area of London (hence why everyone knows the 22, 24, 38, 73 etc) where most people go and B) obviously the bus cuts consultation has drawn a lot of attention to Zone 1 routes also. There are also very well known outer London routes that have attracted lots of attention on here and in the enthusiast community for many reasons: 123 - probably the most talked about route on the forum thanks to snoggle ‘s constant discussions about its dramas 412 - well known for its controversial double decker allocation (ie being completely dead nearly all the time except for school times despite running DDs) D8 - same as 412, although loadings have picked up a lot recently, still enough to warrant deckers though? 140/86 - for just being the absolute machine of outer west/north west and east London respectively 193 - for it’s very eccentric and interesting allocation under GAL 291/W4/410 - for the extremely heavy overcrowding these routes suffer X26 - quite simply for being the longest route in London Im not saying these are the only ones that are well known, I know there are more. But when are these following routes ever mentioned, can’t say I’ve ever seen these routes been talked about properly on the forum unless their tender is coming up: 151, 162, 184, 234, 288, 376, 496, E2, H11, H20 and W5. But even with the well known ones above because they’re not routes used by ‘tourists’ no one really looks into the history of them, like the 193 is really only known for the old allocation it had rather than its history. Unless they’re your local route you wouldn’t really think about looking into the history of them. So I’d say most routes that have been around for ages outside of London will have fallen under the radars of a lot of people. Talking about snoggle after hearing from snowman that he’s ill, if you’re reading I (and I’m sure everyone else on here) wish you a speedy recovery and hope to see you back on here soon The 372 did get mentioned quite a lot as well, due to the robbery it faced several years ago with its Hybrids being taken away and the surprise Smart Hybrids being ordered for it. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Jul 22, 2019 8:11:48 GMT
Honourable mention for the 99? The Woolwich - Erith section has been running since 1913, just the 106 years...
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Post by londonboy71 on Jul 22, 2019 8:55:25 GMT
A lot of routes we now take for granted started out as Tram Routes with similar numbers then became Trolleybus Routes before being converted to buses e.g. 149 243 123 266 =649 543/643 623 etc. 607 stil runs same route now
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 22, 2019 9:10:40 GMT
Routes 8 and 15 are much older than 1934, they were some of the original horse bus routes operated by the London General Omnibus Company.
Route 109 only dates back to 1951 as a bus route - but it was a direct replacement for the 16/18 tram route which ran from The Embankment to Purley.
Some routes which appear to be well-established today are actually relatively recent. The 182 and 186 in Harrow commenced on 13th June 1970 covering the outer reaches of the 18 - so these routes aren't even 50 years old yet. The 114, 140 and 183 are longer-established and all existed in 1934, although today's 114 bears very little resemblance to the 114 that was operating in 1934 and the 140 has grown substantially from the Colindale-Northolt route it was back then. The 183 on the other hand has seen only a few changes over the years, the main ones being the diversion via The Burroughs (to enable crew changes to take place outside its home garage of Hendon, since closed) and the curtailment of the Pinner-Northwood section.
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