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Post by britishguy54 on Jan 2, 2020 15:27:28 GMT
not sure how likely it is to go to Romford, considering theres already the 5, 103, 128, 175 and 499 running along Rush Green Road up to Romford. Similarly, the only "new" section of route will be through Goresbrook,which I dont think could justify running deckers through I think the last thing it needs is an extension to Romford, I know the hopper fare excuse has been done to death but with all those buses there simply isn't a need for another one down Rush Green Road. The users of the proposed EL4 will just be people who live down the side roads behind Becontree, and I imagine most of these people will change at the Lodge Avenue flyover for a 62, 287 or 368 to take them into Barking anyway or maybe a 173 to head towards Beckton. All of these routes have Deckers already so should be alright. Who said it has to go down Rush Green Road? An alternative could be London Road, along with the 86/N86. Also, living in the Goresbrook Area, there are many people who would rather go Romford than Barking, or Ilford |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 2, 2020 15:40:57 GMT
I think the last thing it needs is an extension to Romford, I know the hopper fare excuse has been done to death but with all those buses there simply isn't a need for another one down Rush Green Road. The users of the proposed EL4 will just be people who live down the side roads behind Becontree, and I imagine most of these people will change at the Lodge Avenue flyover for a 62, 287 or 368 to take them into Barking anyway or maybe a 173 to head towards Beckton. All of these routes have Deckers already so should be alright. Who said it has to go down Rush Green Road? An alternative could be London Road, along with the 86/N86. Also, living in the Goresbrook Area, there are many people who would rather go Romford than Barking, or Ilford But I do not believe this demand would warrant a bus route in itself. The 62 and 368 already go to Chadwell Heath where you have the 86 as well a Barking which hs the 5. The 173 already goes Becontree Heath where you have a plethora of routes to choose from. I'm really doubtful the EL4 in the proposed fashion will come to be and it will extend either into Ilford, Barking or Beckton. Probably resulting in a part withdrawal of another route which happens to parallel it. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jan 2, 2020 17:10:29 GMT
I think the last thing it needs is an extension to Romford, I know the hopper fare excuse has been done to death but with all those buses there simply isn't a need for another one down Rush Green Road. The users of the proposed EL4 will just be people who live down the side roads behind Becontree, and I imagine most of these people will change at the Lodge Avenue flyover for a 62, 287 or 368 to take them into Barking anyway or maybe a 173 to head towards Beckton. All of these routes have Deckers already so should be alright. Who said it has to go down Rush Green Road? An alternative could be London Road, along with the 86/N86. Also, living in the Goresbrook Area, there are many people who would rather go Romford than Barking, or Ilford as a regular (daily user) on the 86 between Chadwell Heath and Romford, there really isn't the need for any extra capacity between Chadwell Heath and Romford. Similarly, residents of Whalebone Lane South only have a short walk/bus ride to direct bus routes into Romford. |
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Post by redexpress on Jan 5, 2020 11:26:11 GMT
Almost forgot the history lesson lool: Stagecoach's SD garage and First's H garage, which were both on Waterden Way, was demolished to make way for the Olympic Park in 2007. LI as a replacement was relocated somewhat close to its original site whereas Stagecoach's WH was a little farther away. One of the routes to run from SD was the 276, which was the only route then to run on Waterden Way had changeovers right outside the garage. After that closed the 276 moved to WH where it had changeovers on Manor Road, where it was also the only route serving most of that road! No escape for passengers  There were actually three garages on Waterden Road. ELBG had a second base called Waterden Road (code WA) that housed the bendies for the 25 and the RMs for the 15H. WH eventually replaced both SD and WA.
TfL had originally proposed a base somewhere on Wick Road to replace First's H. Not sure where exactly it would have been (and the area has changed beyond recognition since then), but LI is surely in a better location anyway.
Incidentally I believe LI is close to (or maybe exactly) the site from which Kentish Bus operated Hackney area routes in the early 90s before moving to Ash Grove.
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Post by Buses678 on Aug 6, 2023 20:55:32 GMT
I've already given my opinion on this route. But I honestly do not see the point of its introduction - it links no town centre to Barking Riverside and just weaves between housing estates. Nothing wrong with routes which weave through Housing estates but it also needs to provide a link to a town centre somewhere My guess is that the route in the development plan won't be the route that's introduced in the end. What I see is the 173 being cut somewhere on the northern end, then gets diverted through Barking Riverside before continuing onto Beckton with the route renumbered EL4. Every other ELT route has come at the expense of another route so far with the 369 taking the chop for the EL1, the 179 getting cut for the EL2 and the 387 getting chopped for the EL3. I see similar taking place with the EL4. I'm also doubtful that 2021 is realistic for this route, the Barking Riverside development is running behind schedule. The EL3 should have been extended to Northgate Road via a brand new bridge and busway however that is yet to happen, I think that's the next stage for the ELT before something else happens. i can only assume 2029 could be a possible date for EL4 to be introduced since ELT route are getting another 5 year contract. |
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Post by Buses678 on Aug 6, 2023 20:59:18 GMT
not sure how likely it is to go to Romford, considering theres already the 5, 103, 128, 175 and 499 running along Rush Green Road up to Romford. Similarly, the only "new" section of route will be through Goresbrook,which I dont think could justify running deckers through I think the last thing it needs is an extension to Romford, I know the hopper fare excuse has been done to death but with all those buses there simply isn't a need for another one down Rush Green Road. The users of the proposed EL4 will just be people who live down the side roads behind Becontree, and I imagine most of these people will change at the Lodge Avenue flyover for a 62, 287 or 368 to take them into Barking anyway or maybe a 173 to head towards Beckton. All of these routes have Deckers already so should be alright. yeah i agree, i can only imagine TFL could likely extend either EL2 to Romford to boost better links between Barking and Romford or Route EL4 to Romford to keep the route swimming. Route EL4 to Romford would be fantastic atleast i dont have to take the EL2 to swirl around Barking. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 6, 2023 21:05:13 GMT
I think the last thing it needs is an extension to Romford, I know the hopper fare excuse has been done to death but with all those buses there simply isn't a need for another one down Rush Green Road. The users of the proposed EL4 will just be people who live down the side roads behind Becontree, and I imagine most of these people will change at the Lodge Avenue flyover for a 62, 287 or 368 to take them into Barking anyway or maybe a 173 to head towards Beckton. All of these routes have Deckers already so should be alright. yeah i agree, i can only imagine TFL could likely extend either EL2 to Romford to boost better links between Barking and Romford or Route EL4 to Romford to keep the route swimming. Route EL4 to Romford would be fantastic atleast i dont have to take the EL2 to swirl around Barking. Why does Romford need better links to Barking? It has the 5. |
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Post by Buses678 on Aug 6, 2023 21:11:41 GMT
yeah i agree, i can only imagine TFL could likely extend either EL2 to Romford to boost better links between Barking and Romford or Route EL4 to Romford to keep the route swimming. Route EL4 to Romford would be fantastic atleast i dont have to take the EL2 to swirl around Barking. Why does Romford need better links to Barking? It has the 5. i think the Route EL2 extension doesnt feel complete to me. Becontree Heath tho? |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 6, 2023 21:15:24 GMT
Why does Romford need better links to Barking? It has the 5. i think the Route EL2 extension doesnt feel complete to me. Becontree Heath tho? It was extended to assist the 5 between Barking & Becontree Heath so surely it's doing it's job? In reply to your earlier post, the EL routes are on 5 years contracts due to the fact they are allocated LT's - all LT routes are being awarded on 5 year contracts |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 6, 2023 21:37:14 GMT
Why does Romford need better links to Barking? It has the 5. i think the Route EL2 extension doesnt feel complete to me. Becontree Heath tho? There are 4 routes between Becontree Heath and Romford, there doesn't need to be a 5th. Barking has the 5 and that's all it needs. You've already got the 62 and 368 going to Chadwell Heath from the area and a few stops down the EL1 you've got the 86, 296 and 128. Extending the EL2 to Romford would just over-bus the corridor and add a source of unreliability to what is an otherwise very reliable route. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 6, 2023 21:39:29 GMT
I've already given my opinion on this route. But I honestly do not see the point of its introduction - it links no town centre to Barking Riverside and just weaves between housing estates. Nothing wrong with routes which weave through Housing estates but it also needs to provide a link to a town centre somewhere My guess is that the route in the development plan won't be the route that's introduced in the end. What I see is the 173 being cut somewhere on the northern end, then gets diverted through Barking Riverside before continuing onto Beckton with the route renumbered EL4. Every other ELT route has come at the expense of another route so far with the 369 taking the chop for the EL1, the 179 getting cut for the EL2 and the 387 getting chopped for the EL3. I see similar taking place with the EL4. I'm also doubtful that 2021 is realistic for this route, the Barking Riverside development is running behind schedule. The EL3 should have been extended to Northgate Road via a brand new bridge and busway however that is yet to happen, I think that's the next stage for the ELT before something else happens. i can only assume 2029 could be a possible date for EL4 to be introduced since ELT route are getting another 5 year contract. Don't think there's much need for an EL4 anymore. The Barking Riverside extension is now open on the Goblin and nobody from Barking Riverside is screaming to head down a load of side roads in Becontree. People in Barking Riverside will need to head to their nearest town centres in Barking and Ilford for errands, and into Central London for recreation or employment. All these are already provided for with the EL1, EL2 and EL3. |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 6, 2023 21:51:37 GMT
I've already given my opinion on this route. But I honestly do not see the point of its introduction - it links no town centre to Barking Riverside and just weaves between housing estates. Nothing wrong with routes which weave through Housing estates but it also needs to provide a link to a town centre somewhere My guess is that the route in the development plan won't be the route that's introduced in the end. What I see is the 173 being cut somewhere on the northern end, then gets diverted through Barking Riverside before continuing onto Beckton with the route renumbered EL4. Every other ELT route has come at the expense of another route so far with the 369 taking the chop for the EL1, the 179 getting cut for the EL2 and the 387 getting chopped for the EL3. I see similar taking place with the EL4. I'm also doubtful that 2021 is realistic for this route, the Barking Riverside development is running behind schedule. The EL3 should have been extended to Northgate Road via a brand new bridge and busway however that is yet to happen, I think that's the next stage for the ELT before something else happens. i can only assume 2029 could be a possible date for EL4 to be introduced since ELT route are getting another 5 year contract. That doesn’t mean anything, new routes can be introduced at anytime and the EL routes don’t necessarily have to be tendered together. |
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Post by Busboy105 on Aug 6, 2023 21:52:57 GMT
i can only assume 2029 could be a possible date for EL4 to be introduced since ELT route are getting another 5 year contract. Don't think there's much need for an EL4 anymore. The Barking Riverside extension is now open on the Goblin and nobody from Barking Riverside is screaming to head down a load of side roads in Becontree. People in Barking Riverside will need to head to their nearest town centres in Barking and Ilford for errands, and into Central London for recreation or employment. All these are already provided for with the EL1, EL2 and EL3. Would that explain why we haven't heard an update on it? |
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Post by 123ToLondon on Aug 6, 2023 22:41:14 GMT
i can only assume 2029 could be a possible date for EL4 to be introduced since ELT route are getting another 5 year contract. Don't think there's much need for an EL4 anymore. The Barking Riverside extension is now open on the Goblin and nobody from Barking Riverside is screaming to head down a load of side roads in Becontree. People in Barking Riverside will need to head to their nearest town centres in Barking and Ilford for errands, and into Central London for recreation or employment. All these are already provided for with the EL1, EL2 and EL3. I agree that there isn't a need for the EL4 but using google maps it seems like there might be a new route or one of the Existing rerouted because there are unused stops on Crossness Road, Handley Page Road, Huggett road(unusable yet) and its unlikely that Kings hill road would be left without a bus route when developments finish as EL1 can't be rerouted since it serves Fielders Crescent. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 7, 2023 7:04:17 GMT
Don't think there's much need for an EL4 anymore. The Barking Riverside extension is now open on the Goblin and nobody from Barking Riverside is screaming to head down a load of side roads in Becontree. People in Barking Riverside will need to head to their nearest town centres in Barking and Ilford for errands, and into Central London for recreation or employment. All these are already provided for with the EL1, EL2 and EL3. I agree that there isn't a need for the EL4 but using google maps it seems like there might be a new route or one of the Existing rerouted because there are unused stops on Crossness Road, Handley Page Road, Huggett road(unusable yet) and its unlikely that Kings hill road would be left without a bus route when developments finish as EL1 can't be rerouted since it serves Fielders Crescent. Those bus stops are intended for use by the EL3. It was meant to be rerouted on 2017 shortly after its introduction but alas 6 years later its still not happened. |
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