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Post by metrobusfan on Apr 15, 2020 20:10:22 GMT
I want route 484 to go back to go ahead! 261 back to metrobus (On the flip, the route I’m glad that went back home was the 172 back to go ahead) Wouldn't mind seeing 261 back at mb and going to gsg |
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Post by TB123 on Apr 15, 2020 20:15:05 GMT
I want route 484 to go back to go ahead! 261 back to metrobus (On the flip, the route I’m glad that went back home was the 172 back to go ahead) Wouldn't mind seeing 261 back at mb and going to gsg Same here - they operated it very successfully for 26 years. Was a real shame when they lost it |
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Post by DE20106 on Apr 15, 2020 20:32:47 GMT
Wouldn't mind seeing 261 back at mb and going to gsg Same here - they operated it very successfully for 26 years. Was a real shame when they lost it Did MB have it that long? I’ve always seen the 261 as a Stagecoach route, I thought they had the lions share of the 261’s history lol |
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Post by TB123 on Apr 15, 2020 20:38:28 GMT
Same here - they operated it very successfully for 26 years. Was a real shame when they lost it Did MB have it that long? I’ve always seen the 261 as a Stagecoach route, I thought they had the lions share of the 261’s history lol 1987-2013! Originally with Leyland Olympians, then Volvo examples, then lowfloor Tridents and then Scanias. 20 years of that operation being with proper blue and yellow liveried vehicles as well. |
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Post by VWH1414 on Apr 15, 2020 21:34:57 GMT
Another reason why I miss the H13 under London Sovereign was because something that was nice to see was the community that had been built up over the years until the route was lost. The drivers knew the passengers and vice versa. It was something that was really nice to see. Most of the drivers at SO didn't go with the route to Metroline, so this cute community came to an end when the changeover date came (not too sure if it did). After the route passed to Metroline, I haven't been on it too often so I'm not sure how things are now. But what I do know is that the driver/passenger community built up on the H13 under London Sovereign, it'd be great if the same happened on more local routes across the network. Are there any other routes that have this? The 240 for sure - because of the way it goes (Through Mill Hill Village & Mill Hill East) it has built up a nice little community of passengers and drivers. I'm not a regular on the route but you definitely notice it. Got on the 240 at Golders Green to get back to Mill Hill Broadway at the start of the year and had a very friendly driver and the passengers seemed to know him etc. I tend to find this common on routes that go through what are slightly more "rural" areas of the suburbs. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 15, 2020 21:44:26 GMT
The 261 can go back to MB if TB get the 208 back lol.
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Post by COBO on Apr 21, 2020 6:00:30 GMT
This is going to be convertial but I would like 142, 258, 268, 288, 303, 631, 642, E10, H2, H3, H18 and H19 go back to Arriva London yes GR had their faults but garage doesn't. and also because it created diversity in Norh West London and West London. I hope that Arriva London will come back to North West and West London.
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Post by ServerKing on Apr 21, 2020 6:43:18 GMT
This is going to be convertial but I would like 142, 258, 268, 288, 303, 631, 642, E10, H2, H3, H18 and H19 go back to Arriva London yes GR had their faults but garage doesn't. and also because it created diversity in Norh West London and West London. I hope that Arriva London will come back to North West and West London. with the original Wright Cadets on the E10 with authentic A4 paper blinds  it was a shame their batch of E200s had so many problems to begin with  Though I don't think DT would enjoy the dead runs to Ealing anymore  I was so surprised to see Arriva London pop up in Ealing, shortly after I moved from Arriva heartlands in Wood Green to Brentford... but they were struggling with notorious West London traffic as well. 67 and 230 back to Stagecoach as it provided variety in the area  |
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Post by COBO on Apr 21, 2020 6:48:54 GMT
This is going to be convertial but I would like 142, 258, 268, 288, 303, 631, 642, E10, H2, H3, H18 and H19 go back to Arriva London yes GR had their faults but garage doesn't. and also because it created diversity in Norh West London and West London. I hope that Arriva London will come back to North West and West London. with the original Wright Cadets on the E10 with authentic A4 paper blinds it was a shame their batch of E200s had so many problems to begin with Though I don't think DT would enjoy the dead runs to Ealing anymore I was so surprised to see Arriva London pop up in Ealing, shortly after I moved from Arriva heartlands in Wood Green to Brentford... but they were struggling with notorious West London traffic as well. 67 and 230 back to Stagecoach as it provided variety in the area I thought that the E10 was operated from a garage from Heathrow when it was operated from Arriva. I wonder if RATP have the same problems with the same E200s. I wish that Arriva London had moved to a base close to Harrow and Colindale after GR closed. And gained more routes at their Heathrow base. |
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Post by kmkcheng on Apr 21, 2020 9:25:02 GMT
This is going to be convertial but I would like 142, 258, 268, 288, 303, 631, 642, E10, H2, H3, H18 and H19 go back to Arriva London yes GR had their faults but garage doesn't. and also because it created diversity in Norh West London and West London. I hope that Arriva London will come back to North West and West London. Won’t disagree with you there. Unfortunately that part of London has become a two horse race between Metroline and RATP with the double whammy of First selling up to Metroline and Arriva GR closing. At least Abellio has expanded in the West London area to partly fill in the void left by First but at the moment haven’t really seem to get that far north of the A40. Unfortunately other companies can only take a nibble on those routes in that part of London like GAL with the 232. In the future, Arriva could be weird sight in Edgware. Both 221 and 340 are vulnerable to Arriva losing them, especially 340 as they have to compete with both Metroline and RATP not needing ferry vehicles for their drivers as that passes a number of their garages along the route. At least the 221 has WN which makes it a more even playing field for that route |
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Post by ServerKing on Apr 21, 2020 10:27:08 GMT
with the original Wright Cadets on the E10 with authentic A4 paper blinds it was a shame their batch of E200s had so many problems to begin with Though I don't think DT would enjoy the dead runs to Ealing anymore I was so surprised to see Arriva London pop up in Ealing, shortly after I moved from Arriva heartlands in Wood Green to Brentford... but they were struggling with notorious West London traffic as well. 67 and 230 back to Stagecoach as it provided variety in the area I thought that the E10 was operated from a garage from Heathrow when it was operated from Arriva. I wonder if RATP have the same problems with the same E200s. I wish that Arriva London had moved to a base close to Harrow and Colindale after GR closed. And gained more routes at their Heathrow base. They were operated by Heathrow, which was an outstation of Dartford, then Arriva Kent Thameside. They used the old Tellings Golden Miller name, but all the buses were Arriva inside and out. They were the first Euro6 E200s, dogged by gearbox problems, meaning Cadets from Dartford, often without blindsets, were thrown on the E10, with A4 sheets. I think, under warranty, ADL fixed everything. Shocking roads in Northolt didn't help the gearboxes either. I think as SDE's they have been okay with RATP. I think they are at Epsom or Tolworth now after RATP lost the route to Abellio. Operating costs and elderly vehicles saw Arriva London sacrifice GR, not the first time greedy developers have ruined something. Richmond Ice Rink got shut down, then the company who bought the land went under. Ditto Ealing Broadway's cinema, only now after years of decline Filmworks, which looks like more apartments, is doing something to make the place look better. See Brentford High Street for further details, its southern side is undergoing first major renovation after being neglected for decades  Arriva wanted garages grouped together, hence more operations in north and south London, and the west London stuff was too far away. They moved non London work out to Hemel Hempstead from Garston. |
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Post by rif153 on Apr 21, 2020 10:30:01 GMT
with the original Wright Cadets on the E10 with authentic A4 paper blinds it was a shame their batch of E200s had so many problems to begin with Though I don't think DT would enjoy the dead runs to Ealing anymore I was so surprised to see Arriva London pop up in Ealing, shortly after I moved from Arriva heartlands in Wood Green to Brentford... but they were struggling with notorious West London traffic as well. 67 and 230 back to Stagecoach as it provided variety in the area I thought that the E10 was operated from a garage from Heathrow when it was operated from Arriva. I believe GR controlled the E10 but it was run from a garage in the Heathrow area as you mention |
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Post by kmkcheng on Apr 21, 2020 10:39:45 GMT
I thought that the E10 was operated from a garage from Heathrow when it was operated from Arriva. I believe GR controlled the E10 but it was run from a garage in the Heathrow area as you mention No as others has mentioned before, it was controlled from DT, not GR. That’s why there have been a few loans from DT that have appeared on the E10 |
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Post by VWH1414 on Apr 21, 2020 10:42:25 GMT
This is going to be convertial but I would like 142, 258, 268, 288, 303, 631, 642, E10, H2, H3, H18 and H19 go back to Arriva London yes GR had their faults but garage doesn't. and also because it created diversity in Norh West London and West London. I hope that Arriva London will come back to North West and West London. Won’t disagree with you there. Unfortunately that part of London has become a two horse race between Metroline and RATP with the double whammy of First selling up to Metroline and Arriva GR closing. At least Abellio has expanded in the West London area to partly fill in the void left by First but at the moment haven’t really seem to get that far north of the A40. Unfortunately other companies can only take a nibble on those routes in that part of London like GAL with the 232. In the future, Arriva could be weird sight in Edgware. Both 221 and 340 are vulnerable to Arriva losing them, especially 340 as they have to compete with both Metroline and RATP not needing ferry vehicles for their drivers as that passes a number of their garages along the route. At least the 221 has WN which makes it a more even playing field for that route I wouldn't mind seeing GAL nabbing the 251 as that would bring them into Edgware - Its worse if Arriva lose the 221/340 as that'll cause less variety in Edgware. My hopes is the 221/340 are kept and 251 when its tender comes in 2 years goes off to GAL to bring them into the area. Although overall I don't really mind where the 251 ends up. Arriva could even nab the 251 - that could quite possibly be the most competitive tender around Edgware - Even Sullivan Buses or Uno as long shot outsiders - the routes going east seem to have been most vulnerable - e.g. the 232. Most other routes going westwards can only be a fight between Metroline and RATP. I think the only area GAL hasn't fully got to yet is further over NW London though - of course in the more eastern part of NW they have the 36 & 232 scraping the area - but not much of a presence overall. |
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Post by VWH1414 on Apr 21, 2020 10:49:08 GMT
I thought that the E10 was operated from a garage from Heathrow when it was operated from Arriva. I wonder if RATP have the same problems with the same E200s. I wish that Arriva London had moved to a base close to Harrow and Colindale after GR closed. And gained more routes at their Heathrow base. They were operated by Heathrow, which was an outstation of Dartford, then Arriva Kent Thameside. They used the old Tellings Golden Miller name, but all the buses were Arriva inside and out. They were the first Euro6 E200s, dogged by gearbox problems, meaning Cadets from Dartford, often without blindsets, were thrown on the E10, with A4 sheets. I think, under warranty, ADL fixed everything. Shocking roads in Northolt didn't help the gearboxes either. I think as SDE's they have been okay with RATP. I think they are at Epsom or Tolworth now after RATP lost the route to Abellio. Operating costs and elderly vehicles saw Arriva London sacrifice GR, not the first time greedy developers have ruined something. Richmond Ice Rink got shut down, then the company who bought the land went under. Ditto Ealing Broadway's cinema, only now after years of decline Filmworks, which looks like more apartments, is doing something to make the place look better. See Brentford High Street for further details, its southern side is undergoing first major renovation after being neglected for decades Arriva wanted garages grouped together, hence more operations in north and south London, and the west London stuff was too far away. They moved non London work out to Hemel Hempstead from Garston. As shocking as GR sometimes was it is a shame they are gone now - I reckon a little bit of a fix up on maintenance schedules and maybe some investment into the garage could've seen a better operation - but overall Arriva probably didn't deem it as worth it - with the 142/258 loss to RATP being the final straw. But also I thought I saw on here around late 2017/early 2018 time that Arriva had acquired some land in Colindale around the time the 268/288/303/H routes were up for tender? What ever happened to that land I wonder - could be interesting if they still own it. As for the development of GR - I believe someone posted an article on here recently that the council denied the plans to knock down the building and redevelop it - so looks like for now the GR building survives. |
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it was a shame their batch of E200s had so many problems to begin with 
Though I don't think DT would enjoy the dead runs to Ealing anymore 
