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Post by LondonNorthern on May 22, 2020 15:51:02 GMT
I'd like it to be extended there though and the N18 is not ML but still terminates there Which routing would your extended N5 take? I agree with the principle of Northwick Park needing better night services for those needing the hospital, I think it would be good if there were a night route linking Northwick Park to the northern and eastern parts of the borough of Harrow though not sure how much demand there is. Even though the N18 does serve Northwick Park Hospital, its not ideal that all the tube stations it connects to are in zone 1 - the last night tube station on the route when heading west is Baker Street. It would take either the 186 to Wealdstone and then an N140 to Harrow Weald Bus Garage or a 186 to Kenton Lane and then an H19.
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Post by LondonNorthern on May 22, 2020 15:52:23 GMT
Which routing would your extended N5 take? I agree with the principle of Northwick Park needing better night services for those needing the hospital, I think it would be good if there were a night route linking Northwick Park to the northern and eastern parts of the borough of Harrow though not sure how much demand there is. Even though the N18 does serve Northwick Park Hospital, its not ideal that all the tube stations it connects to are in zone 1 - the last night tube station on the route when heading west is Baker Street. Parts of eastern Harrow are connected to Northwick Park but only on weekends and requires a walk to Kenton Road to catch the 114 or 183 which isn’t ideal, especially at night. Perhaps a N340 to connect the sections of Harrow between Harrow Weald and Edgware with Northwick Park hospital by following the 340 route and extended to the hospital. To solve this problem I would 24 hour the 114 on all nights as it would also give Ruislip much better night connections.
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Post by busboy17 on May 22, 2020 20:15:29 GMT
Route 54 would be good as 24 hours That would restore a Woolwich to Lewisham night link lost in 2002 but I'm not massively sure how well used a night service on the 54 would be. Would probably find some demand past Lewisham Hospital but that is already covered by the 47, N136 and N199. It can’t vouch for that but if the night version went to Croydon then it would also provide a night link from Croydon to Catford as well as lewisham and woolwich
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Post by greenboy on May 22, 2020 20:43:38 GMT
That would restore a Woolwich to Lewisham night link lost in 2002 but I'm not massively sure how well used a night service on the 54 would be. Would probably find some demand past Lewisham Hospital but that is already covered by the 47, N136 and N199. It can’t vouch for that but if the night version went to Croydon then it would also provide a night link from Croydon to Catford as well as lewisham and woolwich Yes I think any night service on the 54 would have to go to Croydon to make it viable.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 22, 2020 20:44:24 GMT
That would also run via the Tram Line from Elmers End to West Croydon aswell and could call at or close to Arena, Woodside, Sandilands, Lebanon Road and East Croydon. Also night routes often do run over former sections of routes (N25, N63, N266 etc) mean it would be quite logical to run Woolwich to Croydon.
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Post by rif153 on May 22, 2020 21:03:06 GMT
I like the idea of a night service on the 186 to provide a link across the borough of Harrow and to Northwick Park Hospital at night, the idea of it being an extension of the N113 is very interesting too as I don't think there'd be much point in having two night routes from Edgware to Brent Cross. I think that Harrow Weald Garage seems a bit of a random terminus for it though as it doesn't connect to other things whereas Northwick Park Station seems a more logical terminus as its a major destination and I imagine the night link to the hospital would be useful, I do realise though that if any night service on the 186 went to Northwick Park Hospital it would duplicate the N18 and add a third night route to the Harrow-Wealdstone corridor at night which isn't ideal but its unreasonable to expect people to change buses at night. One thing which I haven't touched on is the possibility of residents objecting to a night service on the 186, though I'm not sure how likely this actually is, I wouldn't imagine the people of Belmont are nimbys.
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Post by enviroPB on May 22, 2020 21:27:01 GMT
Route 54 would be good as 24 hours I'd rather see a N47 to Elmers End, even Croydon at a push via the 289 routing. A night route linking Woolwich with Lewisham isn't really a necessity, but if exploring giving Beckenham and Elmers End new links, then it would be the easiest call to strip the N47 from the 24 hour contract and then send it down the southern tip of the 54.
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Post by LondonNorthern on May 22, 2020 22:01:41 GMT
I like the idea of a night service on the 186 to provide a link across the borough of Harrow and to Northwick Park Hospital at night, the idea of it being an extension of the N113 is very interesting too as I don't think there'd be much point in having two night routes from Edgware to Brent Cross. I think that Harrow Weald Garage seems a bit of a random terminus for it though as it doesn't connect to other things whereas Northwick Park Station seems a more logical terminus as its a major destination and I imagine the night link to the hospital would be useful, I do realise though that if any night service on the 186 went to Northwick Park Hospital it would duplicate the N18 and add a third night route to the Harrow-Wealdstone corridor at night which isn't ideal but its unreasonable to expect people to change buses at night. One thing which I haven't touched on is the possibility of residents objecting to a night service on the 186, though I'm not sure how likely this actually is, I wouldn't imagine the people of Belmont are nimbys. The problem you'd have with there being an N186 is that you would be duplicating lots of night routes currently in place. There'd be little demand from Brent Cross to Colindale - the N5 serves Colindale so I may go against my original comments and extend the N5 to Northwick Park Hospital.
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Post by rif153 on May 22, 2020 22:06:08 GMT
I like the idea of a night service on the 186 to provide a link across the borough of Harrow and to Northwick Park Hospital at night, the idea of it being an extension of the N113 is very interesting too as I don't think there'd be much point in having two night routes from Edgware to Brent Cross. I think that Harrow Weald Garage seems a bit of a random terminus for it though as it doesn't connect to other things whereas Northwick Park Station seems a more logical terminus as its a major destination and I imagine the night link to the hospital would be useful, I do realise though that if any night service on the 186 went to Northwick Park Hospital it would duplicate the N18 and add a third night route to the Harrow-Wealdstone corridor at night which isn't ideal but its unreasonable to expect people to change buses at night. One thing which I haven't touched on is the possibility of residents objecting to a night service on the 186, though I'm not sure how likely this actually is, I wouldn't imagine the people of Belmont are nimbys. The problem you'd have with there being an N186 is that you would be duplicating lots of night routes currently in place. There'd be little demand from Brent Cross to Colindale - the N5 serves Brent Ok should have been clearer. What I meant was I like the idea of a night service on the 186's line of route specifically to provide East-West connections across the borough of Harrow at night as well as to Northwick Park. However, I acknowledge that between Brent Cross and Edgware you already have the N113 which I why I'd support an extension of the N113 in principle to prevent this duplication.
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Post by LondonNorthern on May 22, 2020 22:10:34 GMT
The problem you'd have with there being an N186 is that you would be duplicating lots of night routes currently in place. There'd be little demand from Brent Cross to Colindale - the N5 serves Brent Ok should have been clearer. What I meant was I like the idea of a night service on the 186's line of route specifically to provide East-West connections across the borough of Harrow at night as well as to Northwick Park. However, I acknowledge that between Brent Cross and Edgware you already have the N113 which I why I'd support an extension of the N113 in principle to prevent this duplication. There's little demand on the section between Brent Cross & Hendon as it is. The N113 would be interesting for an extension however.
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Post by COBO on May 22, 2020 23:43:56 GMT
N23: Withdrawn between Marble Arch and Hammersmith. Diverted to Aldwych via Oxford Street, Bond Street Station, Oxford Circus, Regent Street, Piccadilly Circus, Haymarket and route N9 to Aldwych. Withdrawn between Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury's and Westbourne Park. Diverted to Ealing Hospital via Ladbroke Grove, Harrow Road, route N18 to Harlesden, High Street Harlesden, route 206 to Brent Park Tesco's and route 92 to Ealing Hospital. To provide night service between North Greenford and Central London. N33: Extended from Hammersmith to King's Cross via route 23 to Marble Arch, Oxford Street, Bond Street Station, Oxford Circus, Tottenham Court Road Station, route 14 to Russell Square and route 91 to King's Cross. To maintain links lost by the 23 and provide a night service between Hammersmith and Oxford Street.
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Post by busboy17 on May 23, 2020 0:06:54 GMT
Route 54 would be good as 24 hours I'd rather see a N47 to Elmers End, even Croydon at a push via the 289 routing. A night route linking Woolwich with Lewisham isn't really a necessity, but if exploring giving Beckenham and Elmers End new links, then it would be the easiest call to strip the N47 from the 24 hour contract and then send it down the southern tip of the 54. Well there is no direct night route from woolwich to lewisham and I feel that N47 has already had its time but I could overbus the corridor between lewisham and Catford with 47 N136 and N199 already
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Post by londonboy71 on May 24, 2020 19:40:00 GMT
I'd rather see a N47 to Elmers End, even Croydon at a push via the 289 routing. A night route linking Woolwich with Lewisham isn't really a necessity, but if exploring giving Beckenham and Elmers End new links, then it would be the easiest call to strip the N47 from the 24 hour contract and then send it down the southern tip of the 54. Well there is no direct night route from woolwich to lewisham and I feel that N47 has already had its time but I could overbus the corridor between lewisham and Catford with 47 N136 and N199 already N75??
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Post by COBO on May 28, 2020 0:36:46 GMT
N237: a night service running between Feltham and White City via Air Park Way, Browells Lane, Feltham High Street, route 235 to Brentford and route 237 to White City. To link White City with Feltham at night.
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Post by rif153 on May 28, 2020 12:16:32 GMT
N237: a night service running between Feltham and White City via Air Park Way, Browells Lane, Feltham High Street, route 235 to Brentford and route 237 to White City. To link White City with Feltham at night. Given the 237 is a busy trunk route a change I would support is extending the N94 from Acton Green to Hounslow to continue the link provided by the 237 at night. I'm dubious about the merits of the route continuing to Feltham though.
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