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Post by george on Jan 15, 2020 22:11:25 GMT
I think the 490 should have a 24 hour service. It pretty much is apart from a 1 hour 16 mins break.
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Post by Trafalgax on Jan 15, 2020 22:20:45 GMT
Some ideas: 30 - Change from a day route to 24hr - Morning Lane litterally has no routes running though it at night so i guess this would help people who live there get to Central London more easiler. Also, this could support N277 from Dalston to Angel and N205 from Angel to Baker Street. 59 - Have a Night Service from Kings Cross to Streatham Hill/ Telford Avenue(I know its like the old 59 but i can't think of anywhere else to extend it south  ) - This new night service will link Streatham to places like Waterloo, Aldwych, Holborn etc. Also, i made it go Kings Cross in place of the 59 before the cut. 123 - Withdraw the weekend 24hr and Replace it with a Night Service from Wood Green to Upminster via Green Lane, Becontree Health, Wood Lane, Rush Green Road, Roneo Corner, Hornchruch Road, Hornchurch Town Centre, Upminster Road, Upminster Bridge, Upminster. - No night routes go Upminster so i made one that does, also links Upminster to Tottenham. 168 - Change from a day route to 24hr - N91 is the only route thats goes completely though Kingsway/Southampton Row, the other route either turn left to go Tottenham Court Road or Terminate at Russell Square. Also, this could support N5 from Belsize Park to Euston. 349 - Have a Night Service from Ponders End, Bus Garage to Victoria via 149 to Liverpool Street, Bank, Ludgate Circus, Aldwych, Trafalgar Square, Parliament Square and Victoria Street(Yep, i can already feel the controversy in this  ) - Supports the 149 from Edmonton Green to Liverpool Street and i made it go Victoria since 149 used to go there a long time ago, and i guess this could also support N11. Tbh, i don't think most of these Night routes need support eventhough they're on there own, but then again, Two optionals are better than one A route like the N5 in this day and age doesn't need supporting as there's night tube. Night tube only operates on Fridays and Saturdays and N5 runs every night so it isn’t supported all the time |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 15, 2020 22:38:59 GMT
vjaska Would a 24h 355 be useful from Brixton at night? I’d say probably not TBH - I think Brixton pretty much has the night bus network it needs bar maybe a 24 hour P4. Central London has plenty of links, the N2 & N3 links Palace & Brixton, Streatham & beyond with the N109, N133, 159 & N250 & Clapham Common & Junction with the 35 & 37 |
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Post by COBO on Jan 15, 2020 23:46:15 GMT
92: Because parts of it like Brent Park, Wembley Trading Estat and North Greenford could do with a night service.
245: Because are parts of it that needs a night service like North Wembley, Bridgewater Road (which is a long road), Crest Road and Cricklewood Lane.
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Post by thesquirrels on Jan 16, 2020 0:29:41 GMT
I think the 189 should be split into 189 between Marble Arch & Brent Cross and N189 between Marble Arch & North Cricklewood, Pennine Drive. I see no point in night routes terminating in Brent Cross at night. The N189 could even be extended to Oxford Circus or Picadilly Circus, or at a push Trafalgar Square. Tilling Road was the old 189 (and C11) terminus in North Cricklewood when the late evening/night service didn't go into Brent Cross. The buses used the mini-roundabout to turn south. Also, I believe it is local resistance to a night bus in the Pennine Drive area which means the 102 doesn't operate west of Golders at night. The obvious benefit to running night buses into Brent Cross is that despite the lack of shopping facilities it provides a useful (and relatively safe) interchange between night routes across NW London, enabling orbital travel opportunities at a time of night when cross-London rail options are limited (24 hour Thameslink notwithstanding, but also relevant as local!). While it's true that the only 'night' routes into BC are the 189 and 266 there is a relatively narrow window during which no day routes at all run, e.g. the first 142 out towards Watford leaves at 0445, and the last one of the night arrives into BC at 0148 - only three hours! Similarly with the 210, the last bus arrives from Finsbury Park at 0137 and the first bus leaves again at 0440. |
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Post by dla314 on Jan 16, 2020 4:48:25 GMT
145 should be fully 24hr
I think 308 should have a night service between Clapton Pond and Ilford, Hainault Street. Numbered N308, it would follow the day route from Clapton Pond up to Windsor Road, before turning right on the roundabout to follow W19's route towards Ilford.
66 should have a night service between Leytonstone and Upminster, numbered N66, it would follow the day route to Romford before following route 248 to Upminster.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 16, 2020 6:54:52 GMT
I think the 189 should be split into 189 between Marble Arch & Brent Cross and N189 between Marble Arch & North Cricklewood, Pennine Drive. I see no point in night routes terminating in Brent Cross at night. The N189 could even be extended to Oxford Circus or Picadilly Circus, or at a push Trafalgar Square. Tilling Road was the old 189 (and C11) terminus in North Cricklewood when the late evening/night service didn't go into Brent Cross. The buses used the mini-roundabout to turn south. Also, I believe it is local resistance to a night bus in the Pennine Drive area which means the 102 doesn't operate west of Golders at night. The obvious benefit to running night buses into Brent Cross is that despite the lack of shopping facilities it provides a useful (and relatively safe) interchange between night routes across NW London, enabling orbital travel opportunities at a time of night when cross-London rail options are limited (24 hour Thameslink notwithstanding, but also relevant as local!). While it's true that the only 'night' routes into BC are the 189 and 266 there is a relatively narrow window during which no day routes at all run, e.g. the first 142 out towards Watford leaves at 0445, and the last one of the night arrives into BC at 0148 - only three hours! Similarly with the 210, the last bus arrives from Finsbury Park at 0137 and the first bus leaves again at 0440. good point |
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Post by busman on Jan 16, 2020 8:55:51 GMT
Strong cases for me for 75, 96, upgrade to full night service on 132. P4 I think could do well at night too : maybe send it still further at night on to maybe Kidbrooke or Eltham, and renumber it to avoid having an NP4. Agree with the 75 and 96. In addition I would extend the night 75 from Lewisham to Woolwich via the 54. Woolwich - Lewisham currently has 5 bus routes and a rail link during the day, but nothing at night. North - south orbital journeys in that area can be made during the day via interchange at London Bridge, Shadwell or Whitechapel. At night these connections are not available. I disagree with the 24-7 132. The N132 has very low usage and is shadowed for most part by the 108 and N21. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 16, 2020 9:01:53 GMT
Maybe the 132 could go 24/7 and the N21 return to Foots Cray via the 321 routeing. Bexley would loose a central London night link whereas Eltham would still have the N21 and Bexleyheath the N89. Would also reduce wasteful duplication when the (N)132 and N21 both run at weekends.
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Post by redexpress on Jan 16, 2020 14:14:24 GMT
168 - Change from a day route to 24hr - N91 is the only route thats goes completely though Kingsway/Southampton Row, the other route either turn left to go Tottenham Court Road or Terminate at Russell Square. Also, this could support N5 from Belsize Park to Euston.
Good idea, the 168 corridor could definitely do with a night service. A cheap alternative could be an N188 extending beyond Russell Square to Camden Town.
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Post by redexpress on Jan 16, 2020 14:27:32 GMT
I think the 189 should be split into 189 between Marble Arch & Brent Cross and N189 between Marble Arch & North Cricklewood, Pennine Drive. I see no point in night routes terminating in Brent Cross at night. The N189 could even be extended to Oxford Circus or Picadilly Circus, or at a push Trafalgar Square. Tilling Road was the old 189 (and C11) terminus in North Cricklewood when the late evening/night service didn't go into Brent Cross. The buses used the mini-roundabout to turn south. Also, I believe it is local resistance to a night bus in the Pennine Drive area which means the 102 doesn't operate west of Golders at night. The obvious benefit to running night buses into Brent Cross is that despite the lack of shopping facilities it provides a useful (and relatively safe) interchange between night routes across NW London, enabling orbital travel opportunities at a time of night when cross-London rail options are limited (24 hour Thameslink notwithstanding, but also relevant as local!). While it's true that the only 'night' routes into BC are the 189 and 266 there is a relatively narrow window during which no day routes at all run, e.g. the first 142 out towards Watford leaves at 0445, and the last one of the night arrives into BC at 0148 - only three hours! Similarly with the 210, the last bus arrives from Finsbury Park at 0137 and the first bus leaves again at 0440. My understanding is that the objection against night 102s comes from The Vale rather than Pennine Drive. There is already a ban on PSVs (except local buses) on The Vale, and I believe some of the residents are quite fussy about which (and when) buses are allowed down their road.
Completely agree about Brent Cross being a decent place for night buses to stand. The Tilling Road area doesn't look like the sort of place you'd want to hang around after dark, let alone at 3am. Much better to escape to the relative safety of Brent Cross.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 16, 2020 14:29:21 GMT
N188 to Camden would be good. I think Hampstead Heath has enough with the N5 and N24. That said thou with the Night jubilee and Overground at Canada water the area has quite alot of night routes which may end up up for review. 3 routes now from CW is quite excessive so I'd look to maybe restore the N47 to its former routing at both ends as the night LO has taken alot of the Shoreditch traffic from the (N)47. Or an N129 from N Greenwich to Lewisham then maybe replacing the N199.
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Post by routew15 on Jan 16, 2020 15:28:16 GMT
vjaska Would a 24h 355 be useful from Brixton at night? I’d say probably not TBH - I think Brixton pretty much has the night bus network it needs bar maybe a 24 hour P4. Central London has plenty of links, the N2 & N3 links Palace & Brixton, Streatham & beyond with the N109, N133, 159 & N250 & Clapham Common & Junction with the 35 & 37 I think the Night P4 is a great idea however i would suggest a deviation of the route at North Dulwich to run via Goose Green and Forest Hill Road linking back to the P4 at Honor Oak Park. |
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Post by M1104 on Jan 16, 2020 18:36:17 GMT
59 - Have a Night Service from Kings Cross to Streatham Hill/ Telford Avenue(I know its like the old 59 but i can't think of anywhere else to extend it south ) - This new night service will link Streatham to places like Waterloo, Aldwych, Holborn etc. Also, i made it go Kings Cross in place of the 59 before the cut. Southbound it could be extended to Mitcham via the 201, which would selfishly be a nice direct bus link for me in getting to the Eurostar  |
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Post by M1104 on Jan 16, 2020 18:44:32 GMT
The 77 could be proven useful with a 24-hour service but with it extended beyond Tooting Station via Mitcham and Hackbridge to Wallington or Purley, the night element therefore becoming the N77.
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) - This new night service will link Streatham to places like Waterloo, Aldwych, Holborn etc. Also, i made it go Kings Cross in place of the 59 before the cut.
) - Supports the 149 from Edmonton Green to Liverpool Street and i made it go Victoria since 149 used to go there a long time ago, and i guess this could also support N11.
