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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 23, 2023 8:27:34 GMT
When I rode it, it was carrying a lot of fresh air. Might have changed a little bit They could always bin it if they found that passenger numbers aren't sufficient enough to keep it running The trouble is once a link it created its hard to take it away. The same arguments about Whittingdon not having a nice service would resurface. |
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Post by londonboy71 on Jul 23, 2023 19:15:05 GMT
Bring back E1
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Post by londonbuses2018 on Jul 23, 2023 21:31:06 GMT
N142
Brent Cross West (316 stand) to Watford Junction. The route would not serve BCS because it is pointless however would Bushey and Watford benefit from the night service as it would connect to a Thameslink station? Plus night life from Watford can use nightclubs in Stanmore, Edgware and links to other night buses.
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 23, 2023 21:48:21 GMT
N142 Brent Cross West (316 stand) to Watford Junction. The route would not serve BCS because it is pointless however would Bushey and Watford benefit from the night service as it would connect to a Thameslink station? Plus night life from Watford can use nightclubs in Stanmore, Edgware and links to other night buses. My opinion if there is money for extra night routes it should be used for routes wholly in London before looking at routes serving outside of London, and there are many candidates of the former. |
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Post by CircleLineofLife on Jul 24, 2023 9:36:56 GMT
N142 Brent Cross West (316 stand) to Watford Junction. The route would not serve BCS because it is pointless however would Bushey and Watford benefit from the night service as it would connect to a Thameslink station? Plus night life from Watford can use nightclubs in Stanmore, Edgware and links to other night buses. I think this would be a very good route tbf. I would probably extend it further South either to Cricklewood or Willesden Bus Garage ngl So it can link more residential areas in NW. And Watford despite being in Hertfordshire. Is very deserving of a London night route. espeically as a lot of people from NW and N London will go to Watford on a night out. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Jul 24, 2023 10:58:47 GMT
N142 Brent Cross West (316 stand) to Watford Junction. The route would not serve BCS because it is pointless however would Bushey and Watford benefit from the night service as it would connect to a Thameslink station? Plus night life from Watford can use nightclubs in Stanmore, Edgware and links to other night buses. I think this would be a very good route tbf. I would probably extend it further South either to Cricklewood or Willesden Bus Garage ngl So it can link more residential areas in NW. And Watford despite being in Hertfordshire. Is very deserving of a London night route. espeically as a lot of people from NW and N London will go to Watford on a night out. You could quite possibly extend the N32 to Stanmore station instead. I don't feel that Brent Cross needs another night route, there's nothing there at night. Extending to Watford is good but unfeasible because tfl won't provide an outside London route at night except for the N279 as it is the first place to turn the bus around beyond London |
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Post by enviroPB on Jul 24, 2023 15:47:34 GMT
N142 Brent Cross West (316 stand) to Watford Junction. The route would not serve BCS because it is pointless however would Bushey and Watford benefit from the night service as it would connect to a Thameslink station? Plus night life from Watford can use nightclubs in Stanmore, Edgware and links to other night buses. It's not my patch of London but at the very least, giving the 142 24-hour weekend status would be popular! When I did the last 142 RATP journey in January, I was surprised as to how many people boarded in Watford at 1am. There definitely is a market for an all night service from revellers in Watford and Bushey to make the night service viable there, with the 142N still providing support down Edgware Road for the N5 and N32 within London. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 24, 2023 17:09:36 GMT
N142 Brent Cross West (316 stand) to Watford Junction. The route would not serve BCS because it is pointless however would Bushey and Watford benefit from the night service as it would connect to a Thameslink station? Plus night life from Watford can use nightclubs in Stanmore, Edgware and links to other night buses. It's not my patch of London but at the very least, giving the 142 24-hour weekend status would be popular! When I did the last 142 RATP journey in January, I was surprised as to how many people boarded in Watford at 1am. There definitely is a market for an all night service from revellers in Watford and Bushey to make the night service viable there, with the 142N still providing support down Edgware Road for the N5 and N32 within London. An N142 at weekends could also be useful in the other direction to connect from the night tube at Stanmore to Bushey and Watford. I wonder though if there would be more demand at Watford to/from Stanmore/Edgware or perhaps the Harrow direction instead? If the night tube were to be introduced on the Bakerloo or Metropolitan lines, you could maybe even extend the N140 from Harrow Weald to Watford via the 258? Or if Edgware is the better route, I don't think you could justify another route between Edgware and Staples Corner. Maybe the N32 could be revised to instead operate between Kilburn Park and Watford Junction, and then extend the N189 from Marble Arch to Victoria? The N5 would continue to cover most Central London links north of Brent Cross. |
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Post by enviroPB on Jul 24, 2023 18:45:14 GMT
It's not my patch of London but at the very least, giving the 142 24-hour weekend status would be popular! When I did the last 142 RATP journey in January, I was surprised as to how many people boarded in Watford at 1am. There definitely is a market for an all night service from revellers in Watford and Bushey to make the night service viable there, with the 142N still providing support down Edgware Road for the N5 and N32 within London. An N142 at weekends could also be useful in the other direction to connect from the night tube at Stanmore to Bushey and Watford. I wonder though if there would be more demand at Watford to/from Stanmore/Edgware or perhaps the Harrow direction instead? If the night tube were to be introduced on the Bakerloo or Metropolitan lines, you could maybe even extend the N140 from Harrow Weald to Watford via the 258? Or if Edgware is the better route, I don't think you could justify another route between Edgware and Staples Corner. Maybe the N32 could be revised to instead operate between Kilburn Park and Watford Junction, and then extend the N189 from Marble Arch to Victoria? The N5 would continue to cover most Central London links north of Brent Cross. At that time of night, it's rather obvious that passengers at Edgware and Stanmore would populate the 142 up to Watford. And they do. What I was surprised by when I did my late night end-to-end was the same level of passenger volume from back into town; I counted 60 punters boarding in Watford after expecting the bus to practically be empty. High usage levels in both directions of a route in the wee hours definitely gives credulity to overnight services. If TfL were to ever entertain giving the 142 any sort of night service, then there'd be minimal issues in giving Edgware to Staples Corner another night route. For starters the N32 is the only route to properly traverse those points, and Joe & Jenny Public were still boarding the 142 southbound at 01:40 as far south as Hendon. |
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Post by CircleLineofLife on Jul 25, 2023 10:49:28 GMT
It's not my patch of London but at the very least, giving the 142 24-hour weekend status would be popular! When I did the last 142 RATP journey in January, I was surprised as to how many people boarded in Watford at 1am. There definitely is a market for an all night service from revellers in Watford and Bushey to make the night service viable there, with the 142N still providing support down Edgware Road for the N5 and N32 within London. An N142 at weekends could also be useful in the other direction to connect from the night tube at Stanmore to Bushey and Watford. I wonder though if there would be more demand at Watford to/from Stanmore/Edgware or perhaps the Harrow direction instead? If the night tube were to be introduced on the Bakerloo or Metropolitan lines, you could maybe even extend the N140 from Harrow Weald to Watford via the 258? Or if Edgware is the better route, I don't think you could justify another route between Edgware and Staples Corner. Maybe the N32 could be revised to instead operate between Kilburn Park and Watford Junction, and then extend the N189 from Marble Arch to Victoria? The N5 would continue to cover most Central London links north of Brent Cross. Harrow to Watford at night would certainly be popular ngl. Maybe like an N258 or extending the N140 works too |
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Post by londonbuses on Jul 25, 2023 13:07:34 GMT
I do think a few 24 hour services that cross the Greater London border would be very useful and well used - I would suggest services to Watford, Dartford, Epsom and Slough.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 25, 2023 13:18:17 GMT
I do think a few 24 hour services that cross the Greater London border would be very useful and well used - I would suggest services to Watford, Dartford, Epsom and Slough. Are there actually reasons for people to go there at night? None of those towns really have a centralised population which would benefit from a night service. They’d still have to connect to taxis or Ubers on the other end. Epsom certainly doesn’t have anything going for it beyond midnight, Wetherspoons is probably the latest operating business in the town centre. Then of course you have to choose the most beneficial way. Just using Epsom as an example again would an N293 be most beneficial because of the link to the night tube or a link from Kingston? |
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Post by northlondon83 on Jul 25, 2023 15:13:53 GMT
I do think a few 24 hour services that cross the Greater London border would be very useful and well used - I would suggest services to Watford, Dartford, Epsom and Slough. Are there actually reasons for people to go there at night? None of those towns really have a centralised population which would benefit from a night service. They’d still have to connect to taxis or Ubers on the other end. Epsom certainly doesn’t have anything going for it beyond midnight, Wetherspoons is probably the latest operating business in the town centre. Then of course you have to choose the most beneficial way. Just using Epsom as an example again would an N293 be most beneficial because of the link to the night tube or a link from Kingston? I actually do think that an N96 would be useful, would connect to the N89 at Bexleyheath should anyone be travelling from a night out in London or Bexleyheath and can then carry on to Dartford and Bluewater |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 25, 2023 15:18:00 GMT
Are there actually reasons for people to go there at night? None of those towns really have a centralised population which would benefit from a night service. They’d still have to connect to taxis or Ubers on the other end. Epsom certainly doesn’t have anything going for it beyond midnight, Wetherspoons is probably the latest operating business in the town centre. Then of course you have to choose the most beneficial way. Just using Epsom as an example again would an N293 be most beneficial because of the link to the night tube or a link from Kingston? I actually do think that an N96 would be useful, would connect to the N89 at Bexleyheath should anyone be travelling from a night out in London or Bexleyheath and can then carry on to Dartford and Bluewater Waste of money and unless Bluewater is about to open 24 hours I can’t see where the demand would come from. Before you try and justify it with Darent Valley Hospital it isn’t enough to warrant a night service. There are even night routes that operate today that just shouldn’t really. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Jul 25, 2023 15:22:09 GMT
I actually do think that an N96 would be useful, would connect to the N89 at Bexleyheath should anyone be travelling from a night out in London or Bexleyheath and can then carry on to Dartford and Bluewater There are even night routes that operate today that just shouldn’t really. Such as? |
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