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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 29, 2023 17:08:43 GMT
I absolutely agree with the N7 being extended to Ruislip! Won't be that expensive and links it to somewhere people would want to go. Quite a lot of other night routes go further out like the N207, N98, N18 etc so I would think it's only fair if the N7 gets extended (would be a good idea anyway) At the very least Ruislip should gain the night tube by having the Metropolitan line run from Uxbridge to Baker Street or Aldgate. How is it fair that Osterley, Woodside Park and even Loughton (which is outside London) gets night tube but Ruislip doesn't. Not saying that these services should be withdrawn but I think that the night network should expand across London The places mentioned get a service because the line goes there its not about being fair! You wouldn't not serve these stations just because they are at the extreme ends of the lines, trains need to terminate at certain stations such as Loughton just as they do in the daytime. Not sure what makes Ruislip more of a destination than East Acton on the N7 and why more people would go there but not going down that road again! I would not have the night tube terminate at Ruislip. I'm not exactly sure what there is in Osterley at night. The only reason it receives night tube is because of Heathrow. Woodside Park I'd imagine is because of High Barnet, again I'm not sure if there's a night life in Barnet but the same should be applied to the Uxbridge branch of the Metropolitan line. It isn't the only line I'd like to see a new night tube, perhaps the District line between Barking and Ealing Broadway and an expansion of the Overground too. As for your N7 comment, people live in Ruislip as they do in East Acton. Tfl are forgetting about the people who live on the peripheries of London and denying them a night service |
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 29, 2023 17:29:13 GMT
I absolutely agree with the N7 being extended to Ruislip! Won't be that expensive and links it to somewhere people would want to go. Quite a lot of other night routes go further out like the N207, N98, N18 etc so I would think it's only fair if the N7 gets extended (would be a good idea anyway) At the very least Ruislip should gain the night tube by having the Metropolitan line run from Uxbridge to Baker Street or Aldgate. How is it fair that Osterley, Woodside Park and even Loughton (which is outside London) gets night tube but Ruislip doesn't. Not saying that these services should be withdrawn but I think that the night network should expand across London The Sub-Surface Lines (District, Circle, H&C and Metropolitan) were not originally part of the Night Tube plans because of the ongoing resignalling work, this required significant overnight and weekend engineering closures. This work also precluded a service on the Acton Town-Uxbridge section of the Piccadilly Line. TfL is considering extending Night Tube to parts of the Sub-Surface Lines once the work is completed, and providing funding can be made available. Are there any other remaining sections of the deep level tube lines that would be worth adding to the night tube? The Bakerloo line might actually be quite useful to add. While the central section covers similar areas to the Jubilee line, it would add useful night connections towards Harlesden, Wembley and Harrow. Could it be an issue with the ageing 1972 stock that's currently preventing a night service? If so, a Night Overground service between Euston and Watford could be a good alternative. Watford Junction is quite a major station that could do with a rail service all night at weekends. Other rail routes including Thameslink (via Luton/Gatwick) and GWR (Paddington-Reading) run all night, however London Northwestern may not be suitable as there probably isn't the demand for anywhere north of Watford. Therefore the Watford DC Overground might be the best solution here - it's slow, but better than nothing. And of course would link to other lines at Euston to access the West End. Are the DLR and Elizabeth line also being considered to add to the Night Tube, or any additional Overground routes? |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 29, 2023 19:12:45 GMT
The places mentioned get a service because the line goes there its not about being fair! You wouldn't not serve these stations just because they are at the extreme ends of the lines, trains need to terminate at certain stations such as Loughton just as they do in the daytime. Not sure what makes Ruislip more of a destination than East Acton on the N7 and why more people would go there but not going down that road again! I would not have the night tube terminate at Ruislip. I'm not exactly sure what there is in Osterley at night. The only reason it receives night tube is because of Heathrow. Woodside Park I'd imagine is because of High Barnet, again I'm not sure if there's a night life in Barnet but the same should be applied to the Uxbridge branch of the Metropolitan line. It isn't the only line I'd like to see a new night tube, perhaps the District line between Barking and Ealing Broadway and an expansion of the Overground too. As for your N7 comment, people live in Ruislip as they do in East Acton. Tfl are forgetting about the people who live on the peripheries of London and denying them a night service It's not about night life in the suburbs. The main focus of night life is in central London the the night tube is there to assist people heading home afterwards. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 29, 2023 19:22:32 GMT
I would not have the night tube terminate at Ruislip. I'm not exactly sure what there is in Osterley at night. The only reason it receives night tube is because of Heathrow. Woodside Park I'd imagine is because of High Barnet, again I'm not sure if there's a night life in Barnet but the same should be applied to the Uxbridge branch of the Metropolitan line. It isn't the only line I'd like to see a new night tube, perhaps the District line between Barking and Ealing Broadway and an expansion of the Overground too. As for your N7 comment, people live in Ruislip as they do in East Acton. Tfl are forgetting about the people who live on the peripheries of London and denying them a night service It's not about night life in the suburbs. The main focus of night life is in central London the the night tube is there to assist people heading home afterwards. I know that but tfl seemed to have played a game of pick and choose. Woodford, Colindale and Northfields all get the night tube whereas Greenford, Richmond and East Ham don't. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 29, 2023 19:29:50 GMT
It's not about night life in the suburbs. The main focus of night life is in central London the the night tube is there to assist people heading home afterwards. I know that but tfl seemed to have played a game of pick and choose. Woodford, Colindale and Northfields all get the night tube whereas Greenford, Richmond and East Ham don't. No they really didn't, there's logic behind the choices. All routes and lines chosen are mostly upgraded lines which won't often need engineering work done at night. The Piccadilly is the exception where Heathrow was justification to keep it running at night. East Ham et al don't have night services because the District Line is simply not ready yet. |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 29, 2023 19:30:36 GMT
It's not about night life in the suburbs. The main focus of night life is in central London the the night tube is there to assist people heading home afterwards. I know that but tfl seemed to have played a game of pick and choose. Woodford, Colindale and Northfields all get the night tube whereas Greenford, Richmond and East Ham don't. O please really? They chose lines and these stations happen to be on those lines. I wish you would look at the bigger picture instead of trying to find fault in TfL's logic.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 29, 2023 20:48:46 GMT
The Sub-Surface Lines (District, Circle, H&C and Metropolitan) were not originally part of the Night Tube plans because of the ongoing resignalling work, this required significant overnight and weekend engineering closures. This work also precluded a service on the Acton Town-Uxbridge section of the Piccadilly Line. TfL is considering extending Night Tube to parts of the Sub-Surface Lines once the work is completed, and providing funding can be made available. Are there any other remaining sections of the deep level tube lines that would be worth adding to the night tube? The Bakerloo line might actually be quite useful to add. While the central section covers similar areas to the Jubilee line, it would add useful night connections towards Harlesden, Wembley and Harrow. Could it be an issue with the ageing 1972 stock that's currently preventing a night service? If so, a Night Overground service between Euston and Watford could be a good alternative. Watford Junction is quite a major station that could do with a rail service all night at weekends. Other rail routes including Thameslink (via Luton/Gatwick) and GWR (Paddington-Reading) run all night, however London Northwestern may not be suitable as there probably isn't the demand for anywhere north of Watford. Therefore the Watford DC Overground might be the best solution here - it's slow, but better than nothing. And of course would link to other lines at Euston to access the West End. Are the DLR and Elizabeth line also being considered to add to the Night Tube, or any additional Overground routes? I doubt if a night service between Euston and Watford Junction would be possible because of NR engineering work requirements just as a night service south of New Cross Gate isn't possible. |
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 30, 2023 7:38:52 GMT
The Sub-Surface Lines (District, Circle, H&C and Metropolitan) were not originally part of the Night Tube plans because of the ongoing resignalling work, this required significant overnight and weekend engineering closures. This work also precluded a service on the Acton Town-Uxbridge section of the Piccadilly Line. TfL is considering extending Night Tube to parts of the Sub-Surface Lines once the work is completed, and providing funding can be made available. Are there any other remaining sections of the deep level tube lines that would be worth adding to the night tube? The Bakerloo line might actually be quite useful to add. While the central section covers similar areas to the Jubilee line, it would add useful night connections towards Harlesden, Wembley and Harrow. Could it be an issue with the ageing 1972 stock that's currently preventing a night service? If so, a Night Overground service between Euston and Watford could be a good alternative. Watford Junction is quite a major station that could do with a rail service all night at weekends. Other rail routes including Thameslink (via Luton/Gatwick) and GWR (Paddington-Reading) run all night, however London Northwestern may not be suitable as there probably isn't the demand for anywhere north of Watford. Therefore the Watford DC Overground might be the best solution here - it's slow, but better than nothing. And of course would link to other lines at Euston to access the West End. Are the DLR and Elizabeth line also being considered to add to the Night Tube, or any additional Overground routes? The Bakerloo was excluded because it has high maintenance needs due to the twisty nature of the route, also because it is less well used than the other deep-level tube lines. |
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Post by enviroPB on Aug 30, 2023 11:43:39 GMT
That doesn’t make any sense… Use a Taxi or take 6 52 & N98 to Central London and use the 13. Or any other services that take you there. A lot of major towns have a least 1 night service. Personally if I used the 6/52/N98 and the 13 going via central London it would be very time consuming. In that time it might even be quicker to walk. London's night services aren't good enough. Some areas don't even have a single night service Yes some areas in London do not receive a night service, but it is quite misleading to say not good enough. London has one of the best night bus networks in the world along with Paris and Hong Kong. I Googled best in the UK and then globally but still London was foremost in the searches. Including 24 hour daily routes, there are 120 different night buses operating at night. Sure there are ´bus deserts´ at night like Ruislip & Dagenham and inefficiencies like the 159N´s duplication of the N109 after being pulled back from Marble Arch, but the network is still pretty frequent and expansive. I understand your frustration, but to be fair to TfL they just introduced night services on the 123, 158 and 486. So they are trying.  |
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Post by buspete on Aug 30, 2023 23:22:07 GMT
Bexleyheath is completely over bused for night buses, with 4 routes.
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 31, 2023 0:30:21 GMT
Bexleyheath is completely over bused for night buses, with 4 routes. Not local but with the recent addition of the 486 it's unlikely that tfl will reverse this! The 486 installation is probably more to benefit those who work in QEH and live in the surrounding areas as that is the only night route. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 31, 2023 4:33:13 GMT
Bexleyheath is completely over bused for night buses, with 4 routes. There's 3 not 4 isn't it? N21, N89 and 486. |
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Post by greenboy on Aug 31, 2023 6:20:06 GMT
Bexleyheath is completely over bused for night buses, with 4 routes. There's 3 not 4 isn't it? N21, N89 and 486. Yes three if the night service on the 132 is not returning? I would have thought a night service on the 422 would have been a better use of resources than the 486, Shooters Hill to Bexleyheath is already covered by the N89. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 31, 2023 8:03:58 GMT
There's 3 not 4 isn't it? N21, N89 and 486. Yes three if the night service on the 132 is not returning? I would have thought a night service on the 422 would have been a better use of resources than the 486, Shooters Hill to Bexleyheath is already covered by the N89. Personally I don't see the problem with the night routes in Bexleyheath at the moment. The N21 and N89 go completely different ways and the 486 also gives Queen Elizabeth Hospital a night route |
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Post by britishguy54 on Sept 21, 2023 11:01:34 GMT
The N365 is an odd route. You take an N15 to Romford which is easily an hour 30 mins, then an N365 possibly for up to 30 minutes to reach the southern end. To make this journey easier, I'd extend the N238 from Barking to Rainham Interchange via Vicarage Field Shopping Centre then Route 368 to Woodward Road, 62 to Becontree, Route 145 to Dagenham, The Ley, Route 103 to South Hornchurch, Cherry Tree Lane and Route 372 to Rainham Interchange. The N238 could simply be extended through the 62 to Upney, and 287 through Dagenham and Rainham. Though there should be a more accessible bus stop for Dagenham ASDA for 173/287 anyway. |
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